Wilder In Or Out Poll

[luffenhamblade]

No one is forcing you to read it, darling.

Thanks for letting me know xxx

 

[luffenhamblade]

We need a new scapegoat.

Finally, someone gives a sensible reason for a change. Personally I think that's probably going too far.

 

[Danetheblade]

We need a new scapegoat.

Scapegoats are those that get the blame for something outside their control. The blame lies solely at wilders door. He refused to change things leading to the 3 results (back to back losses, two against bottom end teams) he refused to put Holding into the squad (whilst knowing he’s a superior option) and he refused to stop the idiotic mantra of “must score a goal, then sit and defend”.

 

[Tom Bott]

The blame lies solely at wilders door.

How much did you invest at the bookies last July when we had a starting squad of 4/5 players and a group of academy youngsters who many said needed loaning out.

For a top two finish?

 

[Danetheblade]

How much did you invest at the bookies last July when we had a starting squad of 4/5 players and a group of academy youngsters who many said needed loaning out.

For a top two finish?

Nothing all cause I don’t bet.

 

[Working Class Hero]

Interesting that the percentage wanting Wilder out has decreased consistently since Saturday tea time. That just shows how immediately after such an emotional moment is not the best time to be making decisions.

 

[The Fox]

I suppose the owners may look deeper than the points achieved, selections , formations etc , all of which they won't have a clue about they may be considering the situation in a wider perspective.
These are serious business people ,albeit with little football experience but will know what good leadership looks like to achieve success.
Many successful clubs we associate with the 1st team manager being the figurehead, changing the entire culture of the organisation, Clough , Sir Alex , Wenger , Pep , at the top level. - by no means comparing ourselves to those clubs( or achievements) but more a blueprint of success.
Much as I respect Wilders achievement, is he the kind of guy who can instigate culture change ,recruitment, coaching to a level that satisfies the owners expectations?

Some clubs just bin managers untill they get lucky , but it doesn't last .

It's a tricky one.

 

[Gimli]

Selected ‘too pissed off about the final’.

Few days later now so can make a more rational choice - think on balance Id vote for him to stay, but he has to change his approach, this shut up
shop nonsense categorically has been proven to not work in all of the big games we’ve played - lost 4 times to Burnley and Leeds and lost twice to Sunderland.

Thing is, he obviously won’t change because that’s classic stubborn Wilder which then makes me think maybe he should move on, but I’d give him one more shot - I understand the argument that with this being our final parachute payment season we can’t afford for him to mess it up but I’m not seeing loads of other fantastic options for managers who’d improve us and would actually come here.

Stay, but a hesitant choice.

 

[Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head]

I was too angry to make a decision at the weekend.

Personally I would like a change, however I don't think it will happen. If we bring in a new manager, 8 weeks isn't a huge amount of time for him to come in, evaluate the squad, sign players and then bring in a new ethos and way of playing.

I would assume that Wilder and team had a list of targets if we didn't achieve promotion, which should allow us to kick on swiftly. We need circa +8 new players (assuming loans leave and we lose Anel, Souza and Hamer) which will at least give the squad a decent reset.

But since the 2019/2020 season Wilder hasn't managed to get a team playing quick, attacking football for more than a handful of games in a season. And outside of 1 or 2 signings, his recruitment for 5 years has been really poor.

 

[oxfan]

Well, as you can probably guess, I can’t stand the arsehole. He’s a shifty whinging knob who delights in rubbing our noses in it.
However, I have to say that he did rack up a lot of points Last season from a team that most of you felt were not super competitive.
So, while I would delight in seeing him unceremoniously sacked, you do have to wonder who you could get in who could do a job?

 

[General Jase]

How much did you invest at the bookies last July when we had a starting squad of 4/5 players and a group of academy youngsters who many said needed loaning out.

For a top two finish?

I personally had no aspirations of where we would or wouldn't finish and never bet on ourselves. But this comment is thrown about a lot, the "who expected us to finish top two/challenge etc". Its pretty irrelevant what we expected really.
The fact is he/we had the tools to finish top two with some fantastic recruitment, had the opportunity to replace key losses and strengthen in January, which we did in CW mind (Holding & Cannon etc). Yet we failed to gain promotion in despite of this. I know players have a responsibility but the manager picks them, and I'd assume decides tactics etc so blame has to lie at his door ultimately (at least some of it).
I believe the big issue is that CW doesn't seem to ever accept he's wrong, and I don't see that altering. This is possibly the main reason some would say "No"

 

[Large Mendonca]

Taken three days out to simmer down, but I’ve voted “no”.

Been a Wilder advocate for a long time, but the way he utterly ballsed up that second half when it was far easier to win from that position, has swayed my vote.

I still can’t quite believe have he (we) fucked that up - I bet Sunderland can’t believe their luck.

Yes we were unfortunate at key moments, but it shouldn’t have made a difference as they were completely there for the taking. It’s the worst play off final defeat of the lot

 

[luffenhamblade]

Well, as you can probably guess, I can’t stand the arsehole. He’s a shifty whinging knob who delights in rubbing our noses in it.
However, I have to say that he did rack up a lot of points Last season from a team that most of you felt were not super competitive.
So, while I would delight in seeing him unceremoniously sacked, you do have to wonder who you could get in who could do a job?

A really sensible post, I do get the argument against Wilder (though I disagree) but I just can't see anyone out there who would be clearly better and would be a realistic target should we sack him. I don't think the names mentioned would really take us forwards but if there is someone, I'd always want to do the best thing for our great club.

 

[Striker]

CW has accrued 92 points after putting a scratch team together at the start of the season.
The players we have currently appear to be right behind him, so, until he loses the backing of the players it would be a ludicrous decision to change course at this stage.
Charging the manager would be a massive gamble with the distinct possibility of taking us backwards for years.
I give you Brian Robson, Nigel Adkins, Kevin Blackwell, Slav Javanovic, Billy McEwan,

 

[General Jase]

CW has accrued 92 points after putting a scratch team together at the start of the season.
The players we have currently appear to be right behind him, so, until he loses the backing of the players it would be a ludicrous decision to change course at this stage.
Charging the manager would be a massive gamble with the distinct possibility of taking us backwards for years.
I give you Brian Robson, Nigel Adkins, Kevin Blackwell, Slav Javanovic, Billy McEwan,

Id agree on the risk factor, its always going to be a risk, and I'd go with your examples except for Slav. With Slav I'd say right Manager but possibly wrong time.
As for scratch team! not sure I'd agree with that definition. Ok some loans yes, but hardly cobbled together last minute, or just for a short period.
Just my opinion obviously

 

[NAnstonblade]

The big criticism I have of Wilder is that his choice of which strikers to bring to the club is appalling. Could he work with a Director of Football?

 

[MiserableBlader]

I don't think very many if any have any hate for wilder , think that goes for the players and owners too.
Ultimately the board will decide on the way forward, if it's with a new management and coaching staff then so be it as they sign the cheques .
If it's the case wilder will be held in high esteem by most , rightly so . No shame in what he's achieved but someone at the top will decide if sticking with him represents moving forward which we clearly need to do .

Nobody hates him?
Well his first day in he tells George Long he will NOT honour his contract offer.
Wonder what he thinks of Wilder
(or Warnock or Hecky - both back stabbed)
That marks him as either ruthless or a scumbag depending on your viewpoint.
He then sold a young striker who scored two goals in a Cup Semi Final for peanuts.
ie NOT looking to the future just a few quid for a journeyman manager to sign journey man players - as he did and does ad infinitum
I was fuming as he did it so cheaply - £2million not £5 million.
Repeating the Bent fiasco
Then he gave away DCL for peanuts (David Unsworth said it was far less than the reported £800k) who went straight into a Premier league team.
£600K for a young Premier league player and future England international
I HATED HIM FROM THAT MOMENT AND NEVER WENT ALL SEASON!
He compounded it a little later by selling a future England goalkeeper for peanuts.
SUFC are a club whose best players are generally home players - throughout my 65 years.
Wilder showed he was hopeless in his first few weeks and was TOTALLY the WRONG choice for this club.
Always was
Always will be
I know the local press want him.
Mostly Wendies, Leeds or Chelsea!, F ALL Unitedites and clearly thick as pig shit anyway.
THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION OF HIM STAYING
MAJOR CONCERNS OVER OWNERS
Should have been - new contract on promotion AT BEST
Then we would not be in the shit.
He would at least have WANTED to go up - for the money.
That being said.
We would have been better off paying him the full contract than wasting the money on Cannon.
Typical disastrous money signing by Wilder.
Wilder out but sadly we are told those imbeciles are 'fully behind him'
Lets hope it's from his cliff edge position and pushing.
There was no real rebuild this season as pointed out by some.
(Far) More need to go than stay of those that came.
This summer will be an expensive disaster with Wilder in charge.
If you are a good player with options WHY stay here under him?
Ask Bogle.
I would want him out even if he had not ****** us up with his subs and we had gone up.
Saudi49er said with those signings Wilder made last time was the biggest DISASTER of all his time here. Why repeat that ad infinitum.
#SeanDyche HAS to be the starting point for planning next season without needing to think about it.
At least he realized Iliman (and DCL) is a player unlike the imbecile Wilder.
ps Wednesdayite Staton giggling away at United tonight.
He has been desperate for Wilder to stay AND SUFC TO FAIL!

 

[Upton_Blade]

Nobody hates him?
Well his first day in he tells George Long he will NOT honour his contract offer.
Wonder what he thinks of Wilder
(or Warnock or Hecky - both back stabbed)
That marks him as either ruthless or a scumbag depending on your viewpoint.
He then sold a young striker who scored two goals in a Cup Semi Final for peanuts.
ie NOT looking to the future just a few quid for a journeyman manager to sign journey man players - as he did and does ad infinitum
I was fuming as he did it so cheaply - £2million not £5 million.
Repeating the Bent fiasco
Then he gave away DCL for peanuts (David Unsworth said it was far less than the reported £800k) who went straight into a Premier league team.
£600K for a young Premier league player and future England international
I HATED HIM FROM THAT MOMENT AND NEVER WENT ALL SEASON!
He compounded it a little later by selling a future England goalkeeper for peanuts.
SUFC are a club whose best players are generally home players - throughout my 65 years.
Wilder showed he was hopeless in his first few weeks and was TOTALLY the WRONG choice for this club.
Always was
Always will be
I know the local press want him.
Mostly Wendies, Leeds or Chelsea!, F ALL Unitedites and clearly thick as pig shit anyway.
THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION OF HIM STAYING
MAJOR CONCERNS OVER OWNERS
Should have been - new contract on promotion AT BEST
Then we would not be in the shit.
He would at least have WANTED to go up - for the money.
That being said.
We would have been better off paying him the full contract than wasting the money on Cannon.
Typical disastrous money signing by Wilder.
Wilder out but sadly we are told those imbeciles are 'fully behind him'
Lets hope it's from his cliff edge position and pushing.
There was no real rebuild this season as pointed out by some.
(Far) More need to go than stay of those that came.
This summer will be an expensive disaster with Wilder in charge.
If you are a good player with options WHY stay here under him?
Ask Bogle.
I would want him out even if he had not ****** us up with his subs and we had gone up.
Saudi49er said with those signings Wilder made last time was the biggest DISASTER of all his time here. Why repeat that ad infinitum.
#SeanDyche HAS to be the starting point for planning next season without needing to think about it.
At least he realized Iliman (and DCL) is a player unlike the imbecile Wilder.
ps Wednesdayite Staton giggling away at United tonight.
He has been desperate for Wilder to stay AND SUFC TO FAIL!

Aside from some posts in General Chat (usually ones that get the thread closed down) this has to be one of, if not the worst posts I've ever seen on here.

After the performances (not results) this season I'm starting to move more towards wanting us to make a change however the couple of sentences I've highlighted in your post above genuinely have me shaking my head.

I can totally see the see why some fans think this season hasn't been good enough overall, that CW has maybe run his course with us, is possibly past it etc etc.

What I absolutely don't see is how anyone can question how successful we were from 2016-2020. Honestly is there genuinely something wrong with you?

 

[Old Programme seller]

Interesting that the percentage wanting Wilder out has decreased consistently since Saturday tea time. That just shows how immediately after such an emotional moment is not the best time to be making decisions.

Perhaps it’s because nobody knows who’d replacements that are around and would seriously consider coming.

 

[TJ blade]

I was too angry to make a decision at the weekend.

Personally I would like a change, however I don't think it will happen. If we bring in a new manager, 8 weeks isn't a huge amount of time for him to come in, evaluate the squad, sign players and then bring in a new ethos and way of playing.

I would assume that Wilder and team had a list of targets if we didn't achieve promotion, which should allow us to kick on swiftly. We need circa +8 new players (assuming loans leave and we lose Anel, Souza and Hamer) which will at least give the squad a decent reset.

But since the 2019/2020 season Wilder hasn't managed to get a team playing quick, attacking football for more than a handful of games in a season. And outside of 1 or 2 signings, his recruitment for 5 years has been really poor.

He's going to waste some more money

 

[Yoonitedite]

How has Wilder gone from being absolutely lauded first time round even begrudgingly by some other fans to being a figure of hate who everyone wants to see fail in such a short space of time?

Everyone reveals their true colours eventually.

Don't hate him,dislike his football and his arrogance.

Humility isn't in his make up.Fans don't respect that.

 

[tyneblade]

CW has accrued 92 points after putting a scratch team together at the start of the season.
The players we have currently appear to be right behind him, so, until he loses the backing of the players it would be a ludicrous decision to change course at this stage.
Charging the manager would be a massive gamble with the distinct possibility of taking us backwards for years.
I give you Brian Robson, Nigel Adkins, Kevin Blackwell, Slav Javanovic, Billy McEwan,

My recollection is that when Chris arrived he had a completely different style of play in mind to that we ended up using. As time has gone on I'm less and and less convinced that the change to a wing back system and his big reputation was as much luck as anything else.

It gives me no pleasure to say that but we all witnessed the inability to identify his best team and make the right tactical choices before and during games. Especially from April onwards this season after other managers had worked his tactics out and seen our general lack of fitness. Scratch squad or not I think you would agree that we turned out to have a higher standard and depth of resources than anyone else, apart from Leeds and Sunderland.

The comparisons we should be making are not with Brian Robson, Nigel Adkins, Kevin Blackwell, Slav Javanovic, and Billy McEwan; it is with Chris' peers. We are likely to be competitive next season and facing another playoff campaign regardless of who we have, including Chris. Sadly I think we could find somebody better able to manage that last month or two.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Everyone reveals their true colours eventually.

Don't hate him,dislike his football and his arrogance.

Humility isn't in his make up.Fans don't respect that.

Very few on here say they hate him. It’s a word the hysterical fanboys accuse people of when their own arguments head down a cul de sac.

 

[Slug]

We literally had promotion in our hands, twice, in the last month of the season and disastrously blew it both times.

If I thought there was a chance that he may learn from his mistakes, show some accountability and humility, then I wouldn't be totally against him staying.

But there is more chance that my dog starts shitting out gold nuggets, than that happening. (I don't even have a dog either)

 

[PrestwichBlade]

We literally had promotion in our hands, twice, in the last month of the season and disastrously blew it both times.

If I thought there was a chance that he may learn from his mistakes, show some accountability and humility, then I wouldn't be totally against him staying.

But there is more chance that my dog starts shitting out gold nuggets, than that happening. (I don't even have a dog either)

Your first line for me sums it up. Wilder is always talking about big moments, well in those 2 occasions he failed spectacularly through the way he set us up. We've seen repeatedly what happens when the pressure builds on him and I'm convinced that being a fan only makes this worse. Sometimes you need to be able to step back and take a dispassionate view of things, but I don't think he can.

 

[Yoonitedite]

Your first line for me sums it up. Wilder is always talking about big moments, well in those 2 occasions he failed spectacularly through the way he set us up. We've seen repeatedly what happens when the pressure builds on him and I'm convinced that being a fan only makes this worse. Sometimes you need to be able to step back and take a dispassionate view of things, but I don't think he can.

Agree.
I began watching his pressers after sailing through the Bristol games and wondered if indeed something had clicked.

He looked fresh,rejuvinated and allowing the benefit of doubt to come knocking again.I really believed we'd do it.Until about the 75th minute.

Replacing Anel with BBD seemed odd when a cool head was needed,ie Holding.
I don't recall any rallying cry from the Captain and can't yet bring myself to watch it over.

Even if we'd won,I still maintain we'd have needed a less emotionally imbalanced leader for the prem.

Perhaps failure is a blessing in disguise that lays the foundation for more exciting days ahead.

I might go and watch Scarborough Athletic instead next season if the 'Messiah' is still hanging around.

Sometimes folk don't know when to exit gracefully.Mr Sheffield United he is not.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I’m undecided I must admit.

One question I would ask though of those wanting him to stay is if he wasn’t a Blade would you feel differently? I’m curious really because he does get some extra leeway because of it in my opinion but if he was Chris from Manchester with no links to us would you want rid at this point?

 

[luffenhamblade]

I think he does, yes but unlike Micky Adams I think that connection has a positive impact on his leadership of us. So basically I don’t think it is because he is a blade but because of what being a blade adds to his particular management style.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Its the tactics of sitting back and the subsitutions which made no sense at all. The game was ours but VAR certainly did not help

 

[MiserableBlader]

Aside from some posts in General Chat (usually ones that get the thread closed down) this has to be one of, if not the worst posts I've ever seen on here.

After the performances (not results) this season I'm starting to move more towards wanting us to make a change however the couple of sentences I've highlighted in your post above genuinely have me shaking my head.

I can totally see the see why some fans think this season hasn't been good enough overall, that CW has maybe run his course with us, is possibly past it etc etc.

What I absolutely don't see is how anyone can question how successful we were from 2016-2020. Honestly is there genuinely something wrong with you?

Well given the opportunity I intend to expand this post elsewhere.
We will see how it is received if ever posted.
This is why I do not look at replies - it is pointless.
Sadly I saw this one by accident.
You do NOT point out one factual error I made
I will point out one claim you have made
"What I absolutely don't see is how anyone can question how successful we were from 2016-2020. Honestly is there genuinely something wrong with you?"
and how the club owner @Saudi49er owner and dual appointer of the imbecile repeat failure Wilder of his last three seasons at #SUFC disagrees with YOU
He states that as evident from the start re DCL the recruitment during the period was a shambles,
that 2019-2020 was his season of biggest failure or words to that effect
that as I point out Wilder is useless with young players and has to be stopped buying fellow journeymen eg Peck situation
SOURCE :- https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0kfnz0q

You are a prime example of 'Ignorance is Bliss' re Wilder as most football fans.
Sadly you can know too much particularly the state of this world
Ignoro L I do not know
Ironically one of the few bits of Latin I do know.
What I do not know is why a picture insert should screw up this post not just insert it in situe like
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