Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[YES Blade]

How about this? If we had replaced Selles with Lincoln's manager instead. Would you be demanding they were sacked now? Of course you wouldn't.

Personally no, I’d give a different manager more time. The difference with Wilder is that he has been at the club for 10 years off and on, he also managed the majority of our currently squad for 2 seasons (minus the Selles matches obviously).

Wilder doesn’t get a complete new manager reset on the basis of a few months away.

 

[Aston max]

Do you have a Crystal ball I can borrow

If you get it check the numbers for tomorrow night mate and send them to me

 

[Kona]

How about this? If we had replaced Selles with Lincoln's manager instead. Would you be demanding they were sacked now? Of course you wouldn't.

It’s a good question but the nub of the issue for me is that, whilst Wilder has had to work with a squad of players he probably wouldn’t have picked himself, we’re still seeing similar tactics and traits to previous years.

I’ve got loads of respect for Wilder, he’s been amazing over the years but I do think that time has or is coming to an end. I don’t think we’d ever go backwards under his leadership but don’t think we’ll move forward either.

A new manger in this scenario should be given time to implement their methods and culture, and also have a preseason to work with ‘their squad’.

Wilder V1 was innovative and inspiring. We were more often than not the underdogs, and he can motivate players well in that scenario. We are no longer the underdogs, and I think we’ve struggled with that, seeing more tactical astute managers getting the better of him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

How about this? If we had replaced Selles with Lincoln's manager instead. Would you be demanding they were sacked now? Of course you wouldn't.

Now that is decent question to consider. Rather than the “any other manager would have got this squad promoted/in play offs” and the opposite sides promises of success next season with CW in charge hokum.

Whilst the sensible answer is of course no he wouldn’t, it’s a bit more complicated than that.

Claims either way for Wilder mean nothing as things stand until we know how much he will be backed.

 

[utd4ever]

I’m waiting for Mr Wilder to sign Phillips. If it happens it will surely mark the end of his managerial career at Utd as well as financially cripple us.

 

[FTPE]

I’m waiting for Mr Wilder to sign Phillips. If it happens it will surely mark the end of his managerial career at Utd as well as financially cripple us.

How do you know? How do you know what he'll be on?

 

[VonBrysonsExpress]

That's the problem.

Wilder couldn't have signed as many shit players as Selles.AI. Bord.
Or reduced the team into looking like they they didn't even know what sport they were supposed to be playing.
'Just move the ball vertically' but in a horizontal direction and without leaving the ground.


Keeping Jack Robinson would have been better than the defenders which AI chose..

Wilder got 92 points last season (PA got 90) we were short up top, McB and Bamford were the solution.

Now we need a defence.

Sorry but my one saving grace this season was getting shot of JLT. An increasingly unhinged player trying to make up for his lack of talent and if rumours are true a terrible influence in the dressing room.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Does spending £10m on a striker in the Jan 25 window count?

Kind of validates the point.

 

[Sean Thornton]

That's the problem.

Wilder couldn't have signed as many shit players as Selles.AI. Bord.
Or reduced the team into looking like they they didn't even know what sport they were supposed to be playing.
'Just move the ball vertically' but in a horizontal direction and without leaving the ground.


Keeping Jack Robinson would have been better than the defenders which AI chose..

Wilder got 92 points last season (PA got 90) we were short up top, McB and Bamford were the solution.

Now we need a defence.

You post absolutes as if your opinions are actually facts. IE “Wilder couldn’t have” Keeping Robinson would have been better” etc. well, CW, yes he could and JR, may not have been. We can’t know because it didn’t happen. Those aren’t reasons for keeping him. Or for that matter are opposite style claims for sacking him.

 

[SBSP]

Come on COH, tell us either way. We’ve all renewed now anyway so nothing to lose.

The hope is killing us.

 

[54yrblade]

Dave Challinor - the Stockport boss - has never finished outside the play off places in 15 years of management, apparently.

There are other managers out there.

 

[luffenhamblade]

One promotion in the football league I think. Definitely an achievement but a real gamble. Might make it two of course but we don’t seem to count play offs as success!

 

[bongleblade]

Dave Challinor - the Stockport boss - has never finished outside the play off places in 15 years of management, apparently.

There are other managers out there.

weird i logged in just to type about him when i read this first... he's a proper manager, very wilder-esque rise and he's looking at taking stockport from conference to championship via playoffs - i could think of worse options!

 

[luffenhamblade]

Would certainly give the anti Wilder mob a new target if he really is that similar.

 

[jt64]

Would certainly give the anti Wilder mob a new target if he really is that similar.

He's not similar in the slightest. County actually have decent financial backing for their level, and once getting out of the huge bottleneck that is the Conference, it would have been fairly expected to promote back to the third tier

 

[luffenhamblade]

He's not similar in the slightest. County actually have decent financial backing for their level, and once getting out of the huge bottleneck that is the Conference, it would have been fairly expected to promote back to the third tier

To be fair, I didn't say he was; that was the previous poster! Just not a name that massively excites, and I did find it funny how comparing him to Wilder would give the extreme end of our anti-Wilder fan base a new target. We should move on from Wilder, as and when we can be confident it will be well thought through, well-researched and with a club leadership who have familiarised themselves with how to actually lead a football club successfully - until then I'll put up with Wilder but I do hope it happens sooner rather than later.

 

[KMC-1889]

The rumoured 7 figure sum for Marc Leonard isn't filling me with confidence. Very much suggests it's more of the same from here on in.

 

[54yrblade]

The rumoured 7 figure sum for Marc Leonard isn't filling me with confidence. Very much suggests it's more of the same from here on in.

Potentially European football with Hearts or here, with a possible mid table finish and out of the FA Cup as we don't seem to be bothered about it?

 

[Carlton Blade]

How many points did Ipswich get promoted with?

Oh 84, that's just 8 points less than Wilder got us last season.

So we would have required 25 more points to have taken their promotion spot this season.
Yet we lost 18 points in the first six matches under Selles........

Even if we had been promoted though it wouldn't have been entertaining enough or some such new narrative.

Wilder out....

Based on that logic, last years team was better than both previous promotion teams.

 

[Carlton Blade]

Post Souttar's injury last season, United were a good, not great Championship team (42 points from 23 games, scored 31, conceded 23), and that is with Anel and Souza who despite their foibles, were 2 excellent athletes. It also included JRS, Choudhury and BBD, and even Brewster who were all good athletes when fit. I think there's a very strong argument that the heart of that 24/25 team - Cooper, Souttar, Anel, Souza, Hamer, Campbell will all have either left or dropped off to the point they need replacing now.

Wilder inherited a side in a mess mentally in September 2025 and took 10 games to start making a real difference. If we take the last 23 matches of this season, 34 points, scored 35, conceded 30.

That's 76 points and a +13 goal difference. I think that is a much fairer reflection of the standard of the squad and team than the "92 points" campaign pushes.

My biggest concern is that despite having 4 transfer windows now since coming back for his 2nd and 3rd spells, we are yet to sign a plus athlete on a permanent basis, and our loans have mostly been an absolute disaster (BBD 1, Choudhury and Bindon are probably the exceptions). Cannon is a great example of the sort of player the Championship has left behind. Not quick, not strong, almost helpless in open play and United invested a huge fee in him.

I worry that the Championship is clearly a league dominated by athleticism, and Wilder doesn't really value it. There's a lot of talk around "AI signings" but none of them play, other than Soumare who is in fact the sort of athlete the Championship is full of. In January, where there was a chance to look to replace the traits that Anel, Souza and even Souttar showed we signed 2 CM's who can't run and a right back slower than the one we currently start.

I understand that people have confidence in Wilder and I think he provides a base level of competence well above the likes of Selles obviously. But I'm not sure where the evidence he can build another top 2 challenger comes from?

 

[54yrblade]

Post Souttar's injury last season, United were a good, not great Championship team (42 points from 23 games, scored 31, conceded 23), and that is with Anel and Souza who despite their foibles, were 2 excellent athletes. It also included JRS, Choudhury and BBD, and even Brewster who were all good athletes when fit. I think there's a very strong argument that the heart of that 24/25 team - Cooper, Souttar, Anel, Souza, Hamer, Campbell will all have either left or dropped off to the point they need replacing now.

Wilder inherited a side in a mess mentally in September 2025 and took 10 games to start making a real difference. If we take the last 23 matches of this season, 34 points, scored 35, conceded 30.

That's 76 points and a +13 goal difference. I think that is a much fairer reflection of the standard of the squad and team than the "92 points" campaign pushes.

My biggest concern is that despite having 4 transfer windows now since coming back for his 2nd and 3rd spells, we are yet to sign a plus athlete on a permanent basis, and our loans have mostly been an absolute disaster (BBD 1, Choudhury and Bindon are probably the exceptions). Cannon is a great example of the sort of player the Championship has left behind. Not quick, not strong, almost helpless in open play and United invested a huge fee in him.

I worry that the Championship is clearly a league dominated by athleticism, and Wilder doesn't really value it. There's a lot of talk around "AI signings" but none of them play, other than Soumare who is in fact the sort of athlete the Championship is full of. In January, where there was a chance to look to replace the traits that Anel, Souza and even Souttar showed we signed 2 CM's who can't run and a right back slower than the one we currently start.

I understand that people have confidence in Wilder and I think he provides a base level of competence well above the likes of Selles obviously. But I'm not sure where the evidence he can build another top 2 challenger comes from?

Good post! There is little recent evidence to suggest that at all. This is now a finger crossing exercise, hoping that he and Knilly rediscover their powers from years ago, and years without any tangible success at club level. Knilly is an international level operator an has done well away from here.

Keeping us up was a bare minimum. He achieved that, but he's far from the only one who could have done it.

 

[Nick Jansky]

One promotion in the football league I think. Definitely an achievement but a real gamble. Might make it two of course but we don’t seem to count play offs as success!

Exactly the same as Wilder when he came to us, but more promotions in total.

 

[SB_90]

this is the table since selles left Wilder returned. now im shocked that we were 9th & only 7pts behind Middlesbrough who were going for promotion on the final day

so there must be something that many of us are missing. because to "finish" 9th with a team that pre oxford away was statistically doomed to relegation. cant defend, some dire players, barely turned up for the final month, can only play for 1 half & we never know which one. i would ranked us 16th/17th

so in that im positive that if we can do this with that squad. what can we do with team that wilder is happy with

 

[Superblades]

this is the table since selles left Wilder returned. now im shocked that we were 9th & only 7pts behind Middlesbrough who were going for promotion on the final day

so there must be something that many of us are missing. because to "finish" 9th with a team that pre oxford away was statistically doomed to relegation. cant defend, some dire players, barely turned up for the final month, can only play for 1 half & we never know which one. i would ranked us 16th/17th

so in that im positive that if we can do this with that squad. what can we do with team that wilder is happy with

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Surprised at that table, was expecting us to be lower down than that. We must have chucked at least 7 points away from being 2-0 up in games.

A stronger team and we should easily finish top 8 (play offs) next season.

 

[jt64]

this is the table since selles left Wilder returned. now im shocked that we were 9th & only 7pts behind Middlesbrough who were going for promotion on the final day

In what way are you shocked? A mid table level team who has got five of their harder games out of the way scrapes into the top ten for the remainder of the season. That's pretty standard, no?

 

[SB_90]

In what way are you shocked? A mid table level team who has got five of their harder games out of the way scrapes into the top ten for the remainder of the season. That's pretty standard, no?

for large parts if that season we werent playing well enough to be 9th. 7pts off Middlesbrough hugely flatters us

 

[jt64]

for large parts if that season we werent playing well enough to be 9th. 7pts off Middlesbrough hugely flatters us

Oh I wouldn't disagree with you on that at all. But look at it this way - we finished five points off ninth over the whole season, ending 13th. If you cut off the first five games where we played a tough schedule and got zero points, how much further below ninth do you think we could possibly have been?

 

[luffenhamblade]

Exactly the same as Wilder when he came to us, but more promotions in total.

I’d be happy to give him a try but the “proper” manager suggestion in other post concerns me as I think we need to move in line with more modern approaches.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I’d be happy to give him a try but the “proper” manager suggestion in other post concerns me as I think we need to move in line with more modern approaches.

I agree.

 

[SB_90]

Oh I wouldn't disagree with you on that at all. But look at it this way - we finished five points off ninth over the whole season, ending 13th. If you cut off the first five games where we played a tough schedule and got zero points, how much further below ninth do you think we could possibly have been?

considering in the last month we've been outplayed by blackburn & preston. then birmingham, bristol city & norwich were the better side than us, we hardly played like a top 10. & yet weve finished above them all