Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[Bladesman]

We saw during our best form, that we could have got promoted from the league this season. What happened to that form?! It didn't just fade, it was worse than that.

We have multiple better players than almost every other team in the league. There are excuses available but I'm not sure they should be needed.

Performances and metrics were low standard enough last season that CW lost his job. I have sympathy with the circumstances, but I'm not sure I've still got the patience.

I don't imagine CW will build a new squad that will evolve and compete over a 3-5 year period - that's why I'd prefer he gracefully steps away now (with a big, positive send off final home game) and we employ a management structure DoF etc + Head Coach which can roll with the punches for years to come, future planning at all times.

What happened was Charlton. Then Wilder struggled to deal with the impact of trigger happy refs that seemed to follow that match.

Suddenly when we have no chance of making the play-offs we get given a red card in our favour and a penalty.

 

[Stanthemanfan]

Liam rosenior now free agent just saying

Nooooooooo
Have you seen all the crap he, s done said at Chelsea?
No pr bollox please

 

[brownblade]

What happened was Charlton. Then Wilder struggled to deal with the impact of trigger happy refs that seemed to follow that match.

Suddenly when we have no chance of making the play-offs we get given a red card in our favour and a penalty.

True Charlton red cards were mad. Still, we can't blame every bad performance after that on red cards.

 

[Keen Blade]

I’ve said it before, but his initial success came when we had a team with leaders on the pitch and a lot of quality players with something to prove.

Even back then we hardly seemed to have a plan b, but we were lucky that our players made plan a work so well more often than not.

How much of that success came from Wilder and how much game from having those players at the time?

I’ve questioned before whether that also effected our overall fitness, we had several players back then who openly went above and beyond in terms of getting themselves fit especially between seasons and I’m sure they will have rubbed off on the rest of the squad and driven them all to push themselves.

Take for example a lineup of, Henderson, Baldock, Basham, Egan, Oconnel, Stevens, Norwood, Coutts, Fleck, McGoldrick, Sharp… you could realistically pick 8/9 (if not all) of those to be captain without question, I doubt they needed much motivation from the manager.

Maybe Wilder was great, or maybe he stumbled upon a system that suited the players we had and those players would have run through brick walls for each other.

He hasn’t been able to replicate this kind of team in any of his more recent spells as manager and when he’s been required to be tactically astute he’s been found lacking on many occasions.

Please mate , please don't remind me of those wonderful days following that fabulous team all over the place.
A squad that you could fall in love with.
Never bettered in all my years since Harris in '71 , though Harry came close in '89.
And Colin entertained us in '03.

When will there be a bunch of blokes like the Wilder Bunch of '16-'20 again ?
You would buy all of them a pint and ignore their high wages.

I look at our squad today and I just can't ever imagine having that degree of affection.
Long expensive contracts and no feckin guts or fight for my club.
Wilder cited the 'disconnect' between club & fans when he arrived in '16.
And brought a "love-in".

Well , we are totally "disconnected" now.

 

[Bladesman]

True Charlton red cards were mad. Still, we can't blame every bad performance after that on red cards.

That’s my point Wilder didn’t deal with adversity well.

 

[Blade56]

Nooooooooo
Have you seen all the crap he, s done said at Chelsea?
No pr bollox please

Just like 2x Chelsea failed Lampard to Coventry?

 

[Tarqs]

It wasnt the only win, we won vs Watford too.... but their players was on holiday as well and couldnt wait for season to finish as well... going through the motions.

Christ, some of my comments are terrible :-(...

Getting old.

 

[Tarqs]

i was saying at work. since wilder took over we are 9th in the table (excluding 1st 5). which is hard to believe because i don't believe we have been the 9th best team in the league since September. & yet there we are

I think the fact that 2nd place could well end up on low 80s and title on late 80s show that there's no real stand out teams in the league.

Boro pissed all over us, were superb. They won 2 of their next 11 I think it was.

 

[Tarqs]

Nooooooooo
Have you seen all the crap he, s done said at Chelsea?
No pr bollox please

I liked Rosenior, I liked him a lot....

Was great when doing punditry, spoke well, spoke sensible and with good knowledge.

I've no idea what's happened to his PR skills whilst at Chelsea, but he seems to think he's some Cambridge professor of languanges.

 

[The Fox]

Its all fine margin stuff in reality.

If we took our best performance of the season ( whatever that was ) and never went lower than say 75/80% of that level we'd be in the playoffs , thats despite our apparently crap squad .

Our problem has been maintaining any level of consistency for a sustained period and playing so far below our best too often .

I dont know if its tactics, fitness , squad depth but probably a combination of all but its felt all over the place .

 

[JT89]

To be fair to Wilder, Southampton were underperforming with the squad they had. United’s squad was poorly assembled and simply incapable of the form Saints are now showing.

That for me is the main difference.

If Wilder had gone into Southampton after 6 games instead of us, do you think he’d have got them up to 4th with 2 games to go? I’m not convinced…

 

[Nick Jansky]

If Wilder had gone into Southampton after 6 games instead of us, do you think he’d have got them up to 4th with 2 games to go? I’m not convinced…

No. Too many of their squad wouldn’t have bought into him.

 

[BerksBlade]

I liked Rosenior, I liked him a lot....

Was great when doing punditry, spoke well, spoke sensible and with good knowledge.

I've no idea what's happened to his PR skills whilst at Chelsea, but he seems to think he's some Cambridge professor of languanges.

He seemed to be doing alright as a coach as well.
But when he talks to the press now he uses a lot of words to say very little.
I just don't think he has the presence to manage a big club.

 

[ben1987]

If Wilder had gone into Southampton after 6 games instead of us, do you think he’d have got them up to 4th with 2 games to go? I’m not convinced…

Wilder could have stoped Southampton pushing to 4th from Sheffield.

They were on a wretched run and calling for their managers head when we went down there. They’d won 1 in 8 was it? Or something like that.

So what did we do:



It’s shit like that why I’ve totally lost trust in him.

We kick started their run as per usual

 

[Houston_Blade]

To be fair to Wilder, Southampton were underperforming with the squad they had. United’s squad was poorly assembled and simply incapable of the form Saints are now showing.

That for me is the main difference.

The team selection against Southampton away was the start of things going wrong for us. He played a terrible side and we lost 1-0 to another terrible side.

Since then, they’ve gone one way and we’ve done nothing.

 

[ben1987]

The team selection against Southampton away was the start of things going wrong for us. He played a terrible side and we lost 1-0 to another terrible side.

Since then, they’ve gone one way and we’ve done nothing.

He’s made changes against several seriously out of form teams this season expecting us to scrape through while keeping an eye on the next fixture and it’s totally backfired nearly every single time.

West Brom being another example.

Then on top of that there’s the amount of points we’ve chucked away from winning positions and we must be the side in the league to have chucked the most 2 goal leads away too

 

[Houston_Blade]

He’s made changes against several seriously out of form teams this season expecting us to scrape through while keeping an eye on the next fixture and it’s totally backfired nearly every single time.

West Brom being another example.

Then on top of that there’s the amount of points we’ve chucked away from winning positions and we must be the side in the league to have chucked the most 2 goal leads away too

I saw your post as well and that team was a joke.

We’ll never be good enough as a squad to just throw 5 changes in for the sake of it. The FA Cup should show Wilder this. He never learns.

 

[Blacksea]

He’s made changes against several seriously out of form teams this season expecting us to scrape through while keeping an eye on the next fixture and it’s totally backfired nearly every single time.

West Brom being another example.

Then on top of that there’s the amount of points we’ve chucked away from winning positions and we must be the side in the league to have chucked the most 2 goal leads away too

Is it the 3 game weeks that have done for us?
Resting players to cope with it and not having enough fit,quality to come in and do the job .
Be interesting to see how the results went in the 3 gamers over the season

 

[Lane Ender]

When you have a squad like ours you play your strongest eleven but no Wilder just can’t help himself tinkering with things which will eventually be his downfall hopefully sooner than later

 

[ben1987]

Is it the 3 game weeks that have done for us?
Resting players to cope with it and not having enough fit,quality to come in and do the job .
Be interesting to see how the results went in the 3 gamers over the season

Every team has to rotate, there’s no way around that.

But when you take Hamer, Seriki, Brooks etc out the team at the same time, who’s going to create us anything at all?

We can probably afford to rest one of them at a time. Not all of them at the same time.

Every 3 points is equal. Making tons of changes in one game because your opponent is seriously out of form and you’ve got a stronger opponent in the next one is usually a sure fire way for United to get 0 points. Play the strongest team against the strugglers in the first game, get the 3 points in the bag and then if you lose the next one so be it. 3 points beats 0 points.

 

[Sean Thornton]

When you have a squad like ours you play your strongest eleven but no Wilder just can’t help himself tinkering with things which will eventually be his downfall hopefully sooner than later

Especially when he’s thrown many of them under the bus.

 

[Lane Ender]

Every team has to rotate, there’s no way around that.

But when you take Hamer, Seriki, Brooks etc out the team at the same time, who’s going to create us anything at all?

We can probably afford to rest one of them at a time. Not all of them at the same time.

Every 3 points is equal. Making tons of changes in one game because your opponent is seriously out of form and you’ve got a stronger opponent in the next one is usually a sure fire way for United to get 0 points. Play the strongest team against the strugglers in the first game, get the 3 points in the bag and then if you lose the next one so be it. 3 points beats 0 points.

No you don’t have rotate play the fringe players in cup games f…King about with the formations and tactics has cost us dear this season

 

[JT89]

Is it the 3 game weeks that have done for us?
Resting players to cope with it and not having enough fit,quality to come in and do the job .
Be interesting to see how the results went in the 3 gamers over the season

We’re not the only team that has 3 game weeks.

 

[skegblade]

I enjoyed the second half of the Hull game - well, maybe the last quarter

Worth the admission ,got lucky

 

[Blacksea]

We’re not the only team that has 3 game weeks.

We might be one of the teams that don't have the squad quality and depth to deal with it

 

[Stanthemanfan]

I liked Rosenior, I liked him a lot....

Was great when doing punditry, spoke well, spoke sensible and with good knowledge.

I've no idea what's happened to his PR skills whilst at Chelsea, but he seems to think he's some Cambridge professor of languanges.

He, s 1 of the new breed
Amorin, slot, arteta etc just listen to their interviews they waffle with all these daft phrases thinking there smart, does my head in

 

[Silent Blade]

We won 5-1 at Man U in the last game of the 1929-30 season!

 

[Kona]

After reading this thread, there’s more fans wanting, or at least open, to a change of manager than I expected.

 

[Yoonitedite]

They're not going to sack him so you just have to hope he's still got something left in him. Having Wilder in charge to navigate the team as you restructure the club is a sound idea. He'll very likely keep us up next season. Pretending everything is alright and he will sort it is doomed to fail

I worry that the only way anything changes is if we go down to be honest. The club needs a wake up call

The last two seasons have been a wake up call for me.
Ekke has eloquently highlighted many issues in his post.
Alarm bells are still ringing but the current decision makers,seemingly, have their fingers in their ears.

 

[Yoonitedite]

I’ve said it before, but his initial success came when we had a team with leaders on the pitch and a lot of quality players with something to prove.

Even back then we hardly seemed to have a plan b, but we were lucky that our players made plan a work so well more often than not.

How much of that success came from Wilder and how much game from having those players at the time?

I’ve questioned before whether that also effected our overall fitness, we had several players back then who openly went above and beyond in terms of getting themselves fit especially between seasons and I’m sure they will have rubbed off on the rest of the squad and driven them all to push themselves.

Take for example a lineup of, Henderson, Baldock, Basham, Egan, Oconnel, Stevens, Norwood, Coutts, Fleck, McGoldrick, Sharp… you could realistically pick 8/9 (if not all) of those to be captain without question, I doubt they needed much motivation from the manager.

Maybe Wilder was great, or maybe he stumbled upon a system that suited the players we had and those players would have run through brick walls for each other.

He hasn’t been able to replicate this kind of team in any of his more recent spells as manager and when he’s been required to be tactically astute he’s been found lacking on many occasions.

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