Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[knowsnowt]

Get rid of the dog shit dinosaur now and let the new manager get a feel for the squad and have a transfer window to work with.

 

[Tarqs]

He was difficult to understand and not the most charismatic bloke, some people online complained, but you're surely not suggesting that it contributed to our bad start?

People had a lot of negative things to say about Wilder, Hecky and Wilson too before they started their seasons.

No, it didn't contribute, it just turned out he was a shit manager.

The problem wasn't getting rid of wilder, it was appointing him without any proper application process.... then listening to fans after a few games and bringing wilder back.

 

[Tarqs]

You lose all credibility as owners, when you chose to go in a different direction to the managers, then shit yourselves after a few games (and a half arsed attempt at that new direction) and go back to the manager that your direction didn't align with.

Pathetic.

 

[AWetFlannel]

No, it didn't contribute, it just turned out he was a shit manager.

The problem wasn't getting rid of wilder, it was appointing him without any proper application process.... then listening to fans after a few games and bringing wilder back.

But you're suggesting Selles was on a hiding to nothing? I remember his banner for the first game, away fans were positive pre-season etc. If we won, he'd have been backed by the fans.

 

[Tarqs]

But you're suggesting Selles was on a hiding to nothing? I remember his banner for the first game, away fans were positive pre-season etc. If we won, he'd have been backed by the fans.

A lot on here weren't happy with his appointment. Purely because his record wasn't great and that Wilder in their eyes didn't deserve replacing. So, with this subsection of fans, he was on a hiding to nothing.

 

[Smoked_Sammon]

Don’t really get the distain for wilder, smashed it last season and if he’d had a full season here with momentum he’d have at least taken us to the playoffs. Was an absolute car crash of a summer and first 3rd of the season with wilder having to repair the absolute shit show we had. The only real argument is will he ever cut it in the prem and with parachutes ending what does that realistically mean for us. If we get mid table next year there would be an argument for looking elsewhere.

 

[Kenworthy’s Tash]

I really don’t get anyone who thinks he deserves another season, let alone to the end of this one.

1. His impact this season has been minimal and he’s lost a lot of games.

2. One of the main reasons we started this season in the champ was massively down to his mini mental breakdown towards the end of last season, which filtered through to the players. That season should have ended in promotion.

3. We have very little budget for next season, largely down to blowing promotion last season (see above) AND Wilder’s awful big money signings that have nearly bankrupted the club, Brewster and Cannon to name but a few.

Should be sacked.

 

[Tarqs]

Don’t really get the distain for wilder, smashed it last season and if he’d had a full season here with momentum he’d have at least taken us to the playoffs. Was an absolute car crash of a summer and first 3rd of the season with wilder having to repair the absolute shit show we had. The only real argument is will he ever cut it in the prem and with parachutes ending what does that realistically mean for us. If we get mid table next year there would be an argument for looking elsewhere.

he 'smashed it' playing an unsustainable brand of football that ultimately was proven correct.

We were generally economical and unspectacular, but went ahead and held on. It was painful viewing for the majority of the season and the stats suggested we were way ahead of where we should have been.

 

[Tarqs]

Wilders record since he beat wendy and that self absorbed 15 minute monologue telling everyone how to win football matches....

W17, D7, L19

 

[Smoked_Sammon]

he 'smashed it' playing an unsustainable brand of football that ultimately was proven correct.

We were generally economical and unspectacular, but went ahead and held on. It was painful viewing for the majority of the season and the stats suggested we were way ahead of where we should have been.

You beat what’s in front of you. Winning is winning. West Ham got rid of Moyes because he wasn’t playing the “West Ham way” and playing crap football. He’s now playing for European football and they’re in the relegation zone.

 

[Loco Blade]

I look at other clubs of similar size budget im this league . We never seem to have any ballers / flair players or on pitch leaders do we . You want the fans united together ? Buy some fucking players that get you out of your seat or smash the competition to pieces . Players like George ( rest in peace ) Morgs and Billy

 

[luffenhamblade]

A lot on here weren't happy with his appointment. Purely because his record wasn't great and that Wilder in their eyes didn't deserve replacing. So, with this subsection of fans, he was on a hiding to nothing.

To be fair, nothing he had done, or done since, suggests he would be a good appointment.

 

[AWetFlannel]

A lot on here weren't happy with his appointment. Purely because his record wasn't great and that Wilder in their eyes didn't deserve replacing. So, with this subsection of fans, he was on a hiding to nothing.

There were literally protests when Danny Wilson was appointed, it might have looked like he was on a hiding to nothing, but then he won some games and everyone got behind him.

 

[metalblade]

Our last six form is as bad as Portsmouth's, only the pigs have a worse run of form. Plain and simple he has to go before the end of the season, let a new manager and his team assess what is needed and get some new blood into the club. Wilder is a busted flush all he's got is pashun fuelled by Peroni.

 

[Tarqs]

You beat what’s in front of you. Winning is winning. West Ham got rid of Moyes because he wasn’t playing the “West Ham way” and playing crap football. He’s now playing for European football and they’re in the relegation zone.

I agree, but eventually, the chickens came home to roost with the appalling run against Plymouth, Millwall and Oxford.

The moyes sacking was ridiculous.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Posters are fully entitled to a change but we can't just have 50% of the conversation and spin the wheel. Of course, first and foremost, I want a winning manager who can take us on a journey in the right direction but I want a connection too and no, that doesn't mean I'm only prepared to accept and ex player someone from Sheffield. When Slav was the manager, I hadn't a clue what he was trying to do and he was quite rightly sacked.

I tend to agree that the next guy will be on a hiding to nothing but even if we're fishing in a pond full of recently sacked EFL types, we need to get someone with the right credentials. Not a Rowett type journeyman, but certainly not another Selles wildcard or Ramos who had a year at Forest five years ago and five months since then as assistant at bleeding' Plovdiv.

Without buying a manager out of a contract that literally leaves us with zero to choose from as the chance of getting a foreign manager in here to work that isn’t already part of the system will struggle having to do everything expected on a small budget so we may as well stay put.

 

[Tarqs]

To be fair, nothing he had done, or done since, suggests he would be a good appointment.

and that's on the absolute clowns running the show.

 

[luffenhamblade]

There were literally protests when Danny Wilson was appointed, it might have looked like he was on a hiding to nothing, but then he won some games and everyone got behind him.

True, but he had a modicum of success prior to joining us - especially at Barnsley. Selles had none of that.

 

[AWetFlannel]

True, but he had a modicum of success prior to joining us - especially at Barnsley. Selles had none of that.

Selles had done a very good job at Reading given the situation they were in for a reasonably long spell, developing many young players and working well with their academy. He then took the Hull job and kept them up in a relegation battle.

It wasn't promotions, which is relevant given what we were targeting, but it's not like he'd shown nothing. Many pundits had been talking him up for years as one of the brightest young coaches in the EFL.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Thomas Frank would unite us

Only if Gordon was his assistant and the Fat Controller DoF.

Oh wait………

 

[Smoked_Sammon]

I agree, but eventually, the chickens came home to roost with the appalling run against Plymouth, Millwall and Oxford.

The moyes sacking was ridiculous.

Yeah that was a tough run to watch. I think at the minute for me it just seems grass is greener and easy to beat wilder. I think if he’d been here for the full season we’d be in the playoffs but there’d still be the wilder out question. I think we’d also have dunne that would have put us in a far more solid position at the back.

Last season, which people seem to forget, was somewhat hampered by a few big injuries (when I say a few I mainly mean Souttar and on his form last season arblaster).

 

[Tazzy]

For me we need a change of manager .Gerrard for me ticks a lot of boxes especially going forward with transfers and favour's he can call in on the loan market sure hed jump at the chance to manage us

 

[luffenhamblade]

Selles had done a very good job at Reading given the situation they were in for a reasonably long spell, developing many young players and working well with their academy. He then took the Hull job and kept them up in a relegation battle.

It wasn't promotions, which is relevant given what we were targeting, but it's not like he'd shown nothing. Many pundits had been talking him up for years as one of the brightest young coaches in the EFL.

Calling it ‘successful’ is a bit of a stretch. They were relegated under Sellés and performances didn’t significantly improve. He handled a tough situation well, but that’s different from success.

 

[AdamSufc1997]

Ask the ex Barcelona bloke on the board what he thinks we should do

 

[Sean Thornton]

Ask the ex Barcelona bloke on the board what he thinks we should do

That bar down Attercliffe?

 

[Seth Rollins]

Get him gone NOW.

 

[blades_95]

I do think the last few weeks have started to make more fans consider that we need to move on from Wilder. Unfortunately I think he’s convinced some fans (and the board sadly) that he’s the only person who can manage us & will probably be here in August - if he wasn’t I think there’d be more of a structure being put in place above a new manager / head coach.

I’ve just not seen anything in Wilder Mk3 to convince me he’s going to magically change things next season. The same problems & warning signs are there as the last two times it ended with Wilder - no clear style of play, poor tactical flexibility (particularly in game), subs making no impact, horrendous fitness, poor recruitment & an arrogance and refusal to admit when he gets it wrong. He can take sly digs at Selles, the board & the ‘AI lads’ he magically brought up again earlier all he wants - but this rot has set in over the past 2-3 years, and Wilder has been the manager and running the club his way for the majority of that.

His man management style & his recruitment are stuck in the past - the game has moved on in the last 7 years & sadly I don’t think Wilder has. We can’t build a squad of ‘good lads’ and expect to compete at the top of the Championship anymore. No other top 10 side would hire this version of Wilder now - that should tell us everything we need to know.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Calling it ‘successful’ is a bit of a stretch. They were relegated under Sellés and performances didn’t significantly improve. He handled a tough situation well, but that’s different from success.

Reading weren’t relegated under him. What he achieved there as the club was collapsing around him and players weren’t being paid was success by any sensible metric. His only relegation was at Southampton where he performed pretty well identically to Wilder’s record here when he took over from Hecky.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Fair enough, my memory must be going. I don't dislike Selles, just don't think he has done anything to make him suitable to manage us. He stabilised chaos, perhaps at Reading and Hull, so maybe he is a decent firefighter, but nothing suggests he could take us forward in my mind. I didn't want Wilder sacked, but I expected better than Selles to follow him if the board decided to move forward with that.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Fair enough, my memory must be going. I don't dislike Selles, just don't think he has done anything to make him suitable to manage us. He stabilised chaos, perhaps at Reading and Hull, so maybe he is a decent firefighter, but nothing suggests he could take us forward in my mind. I didn't want Wilder sacked, but I expected better than Selles to follow him if the board decided to move forward with that.

Yes, he was the wrong appointment for us without a doubt, but I see plenty of revisionism on here (not from you) from very unimpressive and easy to ignore folks who disregard what he had achieved.