Wilder - Get Rid Now, or After Last Game

[Carlton Blade]

Agree with every word of this.

The only thing I'd add is that not doing well next season will see plenty of fans kicking off regardless of who's in charge. I suspect Wilder would get more rope than Johnny Random, but whoever it is needs patience given the financial position. It might be a holding season regardless of the management.

In these circumstances, I think style of play really matters. As does having younger players.

'Experienced pros' playing low scoring, low chance matches and winning as many as they lose isn't going to cut it

 

[Houston_Blade]

we just want to like the players and enjoy the matchday again

 

[Carlton Blade]

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Maybe Errea using chain mail was a bad idea in hindsight

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Who has he signed to replace the player types who left? He inherited Souza and attempted to replace him with Riedewald, Phillips and Rothwell. Still hasn't attempted to replace Souttar despite Anel also leaving.

He doesn't value athletes

It's an interesting point, and I agree that he certainly doesn't appear to be looking at the modern prototype of athletic footballer, with a good resale value.

However, we can't say he doesn't value athletes full stop. Baldock, Enda, Basham (fittest man at the club!), JOC, Berge, Anel, Souza, and now Seriki are all good athletes during his time here.

I do think that we're likely to see anyone of any real value to bring any dosh in, and feel that we're likely to pump any budget into Rothwells etc, to try and squeeze any last scrap of value out of them. It feels very short sighted and unlikely to be successful.

 

[SBSP]

Has he gone yet?

 

[Upton_Blade]

In these circumstances, I think style of play really matters. As does having younger players.

'Experienced pros' playing low scoring, low chance matches and winning as many as they lose isn't going to cut it

I'm genuinely not sure how many we'll see that don't fall into that bracket.

A look at his signings in January and the heavily rumoured from last summer before he was sacked show what his priorities are unless he's somehow changed completely, which is doubtful.

 

[bertieblade]

I would expect his contract will have a break clause which provides him with a bonus for keeping us up and an opportunity for the club to sack him at the end of this season.
I think it was the right decision to get rid of him last season, the problem was the guy that we appointed.
The club is currently in a worse state than it was when we lost the play off and subsequently now is the time to bring in a high calibre manager with new ideas etc. etc.
We will probably keep him until at least Christmas where if we are not in the top eight he will be moved on.
He kept us up but that is as far as it went, as soon as we got within a shout of the play offs he reverted to trying to see out single goal leads.
We threw away numerous points when being in a commanding position.
He refused to change tactics.
His team choice is sometimes laughable, would anyone else have played Chong on Saturday?
He has seemingly lost his ability to motivate the team, or were our last two home defeats bad luck.
We have no tactics, other than to play keep ball at the back and playing across the front of the opposition.
We do things at such a slow pace, we give any team time to get organised.
Etc.etc.

It will take braver owners to change managers after what happened last year, but it has to be done as I cannot see us doing anything other than tread water if he stays in charge.
Love him to prove me wrong

 

[Carlton Blade]

I'm genuinely not sure how many we'll see that don't fall into that bracket.

A look at his signings in January and the heavily rumoured from last summer before he was sacked show what his priorities are unless he's somehow changed completely, which is doubtful.

I fear you're right. Puts a lot of pressure on next season because there might not be many sellable assets in the incoming players, but we seem to be allergic to 1 year contracts a lot of the time

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I would expect his contract will have a break clause which provides him with a bonus for keeping us up and an opportunity for the club to sack him at the end of this season.
I think it was the right decision to get rid of him last season, the problem was the guy that we appointed.
The club is currently in a worse state than it was when we lost the play off and subsequently now is the time to bring in a high calibre manager with new ideas etc. etc.
We will probably keep him until at least Christmas where if we are not in the top eight he will be moved on.
He kept us up but that is as far as it went, as soon as we got within a shout of the play offs he reverted to trying to see out single goal leads.
We threw away numerous points when being in a commanding position.
He refused to change tactics.
His team choice is sometimes laughable, would anyone else have played Chong on Saturday?
He has seemingly lost his ability to motivate the team, or were our last two home defeats bad luck.
We have no tactics, other than to play keep ball at the back and playing across the front of the opposition.
We do things at such a slow pace, we give any team time to get organised.
Etc.etc.

It will take braver owners to change managers after what happened last year, but it has to be done as I cannot see us doing anything other than tread water if he stays in charge.
Love him to prove me wrong

Whereas, I think the issue is much bigger than that. It's the total refusal, ignorance to, or inability to modernise the hierarchy of the club. It's as though Bettis is comfy and has no reason to change our structuring. Any decent calibre, young up-and-coming coaches will be exactly that, head coaches. Not managers who want to manage most aspects of the club. Selles proved that. Any coach will need an infrastructure around them. Until the club develop that infrastructure, we will continue to fall further behind.

In the meantime, Wilder will work to eek what value and performance value he can get out of a managed decline of the squad, to keep us vaguely competitive or relevant.

If the aim is to buy ourselves more time to modernise the club and we want someone capable to be main man whilst we do that, I would trust no one more than Wilder.