Why do Managers who fail get massive pay offs?

[Gavlar]

So i'm not saying we should say Adkins, but this talk of him getting a massive pay-off if sacked (like many many others before him) seems ridiculous to a simpleton like me.

In any job I've been in, if I'm not up to it, and sacked, I can expect no pay-off at all. And nor should I, if I have failed at being successful at my job I don't deserve one.

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do football managers get one?

 

[loyalblade95]

So i'm not saying we should say Adkins, but this talk of him getting a massive pay-off if sacked (like many many others before him) seems ridiculous to a simpleton like me.

In any job I've been in, if I'm not up to it, and sacked, I can expect no pay-off at all. And nor should I, if I have failed at being successful at my job I don't deserve one.

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do football managers get one?

Its to give them money to pay for their living i.e bills etc till they can find a new job which can be months at a time

 

[Gavlar]

Its to give them money to pay for their living i.e bills etc till they can find a new job which can be months at a time

Why do people in other jobs not get money to pay for bills till they find another job though?

 

[Bladesince59]

1 they get far too much in the first place
2 they have a fixed term contract(notice period ) of perhaps 3 years

Other mere mortals have to settle for a week or more often a month

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Why do people in other jobs not get money to pay for bills till they find another job though?

They do if they are under contract.
If my company decide to sack me they have to pay me 18 months money and I'm not a football manager, on the flip side if I got a new job offer I'd have to negotiate with my employer to leave if I wanted to do it immediately.

 

[Bartleby]

So i'm not saying we should say Adkins, but this talk of him getting a massive pay-off if sacked (like many many others before him) seems ridiculous to a simpleton like me.

In any job I've been in, if I'm not up to it, and sacked, I can expect no pay-off at all. And nor should I, if I have failed at being successful at my job I don't deserve one.

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do football managers get one?

Cos they have it written into their contracts and you don't.

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

1 they get far too much in the first place
2 they have a fixed term contract(notice period ) of perhaps 3 years

Other mere mortals have to settle for a week or more often a month

The statutory minimum is a week for every year's service up to a maximum of 12 weeks (after 2 year's service, you only get 1 week before that). The other thing for us mere mortals is that your employer can give you the boot without giving a reason* if you have worked for them for 2 years or less.

https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/notice-periods

*Usual bollocks about you can't be discriminated against for sex, colour or being a member of a trade union.

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

They also get the chance to do the same job again elsewhere and get paid handsomely whereas us mere mortals would struggle to find another place to take us on in that role we failed at before because its like a blight on our CV!

 

[Bladesince59]

The statutory minimum is a week for every year's service up to a maximum of 12 weeks (after 2 year's service, you only get 1 week before that). The other thing for us mere mortals is that your employer can give you the boot without giving a reason* if you have worked for them for 2 years or less.

https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/notice-periods

*Usual bollocks about you can't be discriminated against for sex, colour or being a member of a trade union.

Thx

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

They also get the chance to do the same job again elsewhere and get paid handsomely whereas us mere mortals would struggle to find another place to take us on in that role we failed at before because its like a blight on our CV!

Only if someone offers them another job, exactly the same as a mere mortal.
Their new potential employers obviously don't share your view, and thinks they are the best of what's available, which again would be exactly the same as you or I.

 

[northsomersetblade]

They have a contract....there is lots of stuff on the internet about contract law, and amazingly it is all quite sensible.

Basically if you agree to do something with someone, you have to do what you say you will (so do they), and if you or the other party don't do what they say they will, the aggrieved party is entitled to redress. A contract is equally valid if verbal, you will be pleased to know, although a lot harder to prove in court.

I rest my case your Honour. Lawyers are still a bloodsucking set of vampires btw.

 

[JonnyRed(WCFC)]

I dunno FB...reputation gets you in places in football...it works against you more in more normal civvy street environments, say a string of sackings in supermarket type jobs for daft things, the next supermarket job you'd try for wouldnt fancy you...but a string of sackings in football management because ultimately thats what the endgame is doesnt do anywhere as much damage to a managers rep!

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

So i'm not saying we should say Adkins, but this talk of him getting a massive pay-off if sacked (like many many others before him) seems ridiculous to a simpleton like me.

In any job I've been in, if I'm not up to it, and sacked, I can expect no pay-off at all. And nor should I, if I have failed at being successful at my job I don't deserve one.

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do football managers get one?

Because they are on a short contract that you have to buy them out of if you want shut.

If you don't fail and keep your head down there is no reason why you can't put in a 30 year stretch with your employer.

 

[dingledog]

Where is the substantive evidence that they do get massive payments? It may well happen in the loony world of the Premier League, I'm not so certain it does in league three.

For instance it may well be a three year contract, but with only a months notice to terminate.

 

[loyalblade95]

Why do people in other jobs not get money to pay for bills till they find another job though?

Dunno mate only ever seen it happen in sports players get it too if they're released before the end of their contracts

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Where is the substantive evidence that they do get massive payments? It may well happen in the loony world of the Premier League, I'm not so certain it does in league three.

For instance it may well be a three year contract, but with only a months notice to terminate.

My mate who was chairman of a league club told me that one of our ex managers got 50% of his salary until he got a new job, took him best part of two years, still not a bad pay off.

No idea if his contract with us ran the full two years of being out of work?

 

[Darren]

The simple answer is that most of us are on non fixed term contracts, terminable at a set period of notice, though employers can only terminate for good reason (if you have been employed for 2 years or more) and cannot at any time terminate on the grounds of one of the protected characteristics set out in the Equality Act.

Football managers on the other hand have fixed term contracts. The employer promises to pay the employee a certain amount of money for a certain length of time and the employee promises to use his best endeavours in his job. If the employer terminates the contract before the fixed term is up*, it commits a breach of contract and the employee is entitled to compensation for losses caused by that breach (usually his lost wages less any money he gets in another job).

* There will be terms in the contract allowing for immediate termination without compensation for gross misconduct, but I suspect contracts that say "if you don't get us to x place in he League, we can terminate the contract without compensation are very rare and I very much doubt that Adkins has one like that.

 

[super_pig]

They have a contract....there is lots of stuff on the internet about contract law, and amazingly it is all quite sensible.

Basically if you agree to do something with someone, you have to do what you say you will (so do they), and if you or the other party don't do what they say they will, the aggrieved party is entitled to redress. A contract is equally valid if verbal, you will be pleased to know, although a lot harder to prove in court.

I rest my case your Honour. Lawyers are still a bloodsucking set of vampires btw.

except Darren of course

 

[Karaoke Blade]

Probably stating the obvious, but I guess the terms of the contract boils down to how desperate the club are to secure the services of a particular individual.

 

[Treeton Blade]

 

[SwissBlade]

So i'm not saying we should say Adkins, but this talk of him getting a massive pay-off if sacked (like many many others before him) seems ridiculous to a simpleton like me.

In any job I've been in, if I'm not up to it, and sacked, I can expect no pay-off at all. And nor should I, if I have failed at being successful at my job I don't deserve one.

I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do football managers get one?

To add to what Darren has said, I think it’s fair to say that managers don’t often fail in their contract terms but will be in their Performance targets. The targets (and presumably bonus’) will be set outside of the Contract, most people nowadays get performance targets which will either contribute to financial reward or Organisational promotion.

 

[Gavlar]

Thanks for the thoughts all. Helpful indeed.