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Yes I understand that , I just think he was great in league 1 , absolutely no better than average championship , and before everyone jumps on me he scored 60 goals in over 200 appearances for us at championship level
I honestly can’t tell if you’re on the wind-up, but the reason Blades fans love Billy Sharp is to do with being a club (not a business), and being fans (not customers), and being part of something shared as part of our identity. Billy is part of that: his story of childhood fan, to ball-boy, to academy player, to pro, to returning twice, to leading the club back to the premier league as captain, to scoring to get a result on the premier league opening day, to leading the team out at Wembley ... That story is what connects him to all of us. He is one of us, whether he’s playing for us, or playing for someone else with his SUFC shin pads under his socks.
The idea that there are players with a better goal per game ratio who the fans should have more love for because they scored 19 goals in 48 games or something instead of 60 goals in 200 just misses the point by miles: it’s what a customer would think, not a fan.

I don’t know if you were joking about not getting why people love Billy - if so, apologies for the patronising reply! :)
 

Scoring 30+ goals to get us out of league one after 6 years and then scoring 20+ to get us to the premier league would make any striker a blades hero.

That's without the fact he is a fan who was living the dream and willingly dropped down to league one to get us up after finally clicking with us after it not quite working out in the past!

Yeah I can't see why people love him either 🤣

 
I honestly can’t tell if you’re on the wind-up, but the reason Blades fans love Billy Sharp is to do with being a club (not a business), and being fans (not customers), and being part of something shared as part of our identity. Billy is part of that: his story of childhood fan, to ball-boy, to academy player, to pro, to returning twice, to leading the club back to the premier league as captain, to scoring to get a result on the premier league opening day, to leading the team out at Wembley ... That story is what connects him to all of us. He is one of us, whether he’s playing for us, or playing for someone else with his SUFC shin pads under his socks.
The idea that there are players with a better goal per game ratio who the fans should have more love for because they scored 19 goals in 48 games or something instead of 60 goals in 200 just misses the point by miles: it’s what a customer would think, not a fan.

I don’t know if you were joking about not getting why people love Billy - if so, apologies for the patronising reply! :)
It's the same poster who said kids wearing ear protectors were one of the reasons why the crowd is quiet at the lane. Not sure there's much between the ears 🤣🤣
 
IF....the afore mentioned posters did say that..., then he or she is a bit of a prick tbh.

One of my own lads has autism and wears ear defenders at home games and is as passionate as the next fan with his singing to get behind the lads.

Sometimes I'd love to forget my family responsibilities and meet these idiots back in the boozer to have a chat about their views and why they have formed them. Would be interesting im sure.
 
Scoring 30+ goals to get us out of league one after 6 years and then scoring 20+ to get us to the premier league would make any striker a blades hero.

That's without the fact he is a fan who was living the dream and willingly dropped down to league one to get us up after finally clicking with us after it not quite working out in the past!

Yeah I can't see why people love him either 🤣



He is right, we should have left him at Scunny! 😄
 
I honestly can’t tell if you’re on the wind-up, but the reason Blades fans love Billy Sharp is to do with being a club (not a business), and being fans (not customers), and being part of something shared as part of our identity. Billy is part of that: his story of childhood fan, to ball-boy, to academy player, to pro, to returning twice, to leading the club back to the premier league as captain, to scoring to get a result on the premier league opening day, to leading the team out at Wembley ... That story is what connects him to all of us. He is one of us, whether he’s playing for us, or playing for someone else with his SUFC shin pads under his socks.
The idea that there are players with a better goal per game ratio who the fans should have more love for because they scored 19 goals in 48 games or something instead of 60 goals in 200 just misses the point by miles: it’s what a customer would think, not a fan.

I don’t know if you were joking about not getting why people love Billy - if so, apologies for the patronising reply! :)
Yeah I understand that and this mentality is why we never achieve anything as a club , and would I rather the club be run as a business and actually win something or have it as you say a club , 100% treat me as a customer like city man United Liverpool, etc treat people and let me watch united in the champions league rather than championship
 
Yeah I understand that and this mentality is why we never achieve anything as a club , and would I rather the club be run as a business and actually win something or have it as you say a club , 100% treat me as a customer like city man United Liverpool, etc treat people and let me watch united in the champions league rather than championship
Different folks different strokes but the Blades have made me fall back in love with football like I did when I was a kid playing in the playground with a tennis ball and that, to me, is what this is all about.

We aren't just some franchise with a squad assembles from all round the globe. We have players who grew up dreaming of wearing that shirt. Dreams can come true. Put that in your business model and try and flog it to 10 year olds...
 
IF....the afore mentioned posters did say that..., then he or she is a bit of a prick tbh.

One of my own lads has autism and wears ear defenders at home games and is as passionate as the next fan with his singing to get behind the lads.

Sometimes I'd love to forget my family responsibilities and meet these idiots back in the boozer to have a chat about their views and why they have formed them. Would be interesting im sure.
My daughter is 6 wears ear protectors to games because it’s that loud when the roar goes up when we score its physically painful. Shes not autistic but without the ear protectors it’s too much for her and I’d have to wait til she’s older to bring her to games. Been the same with shows at the theatre etc. We don’t do bonfire night because it’s too much for her. Gets herself into a right state for a month or so in the run up to it.

Some little kids love loud noises and some hate them but it’s amazing people think looking after their hearing at a young age or making certain experiences slightly more comfortable for them is mollycoddling or “woke” or whatever stupid fucking term people cook up to get annoyed about something that has no effect on their life
 
He's older - much older - than Marvin Sordell, Gary Hooper and Nile Ranger, all of whom have played for Kettering today. But whilst they've looked completely shot, he has looked a class above. Testament to what an excellent professional he has been over the years. Taken his talent and maximised every last drop out of it for the best part of 20 years. Very few can say that.
Was that Kettering strike force? Wow 🤣
 
Yeah I understand that and this mentality is why we never achieve anything as a club , and would I rather the club be run as a business and actually win something or have it as you say a club , 100% treat me as a customer like city man United Liverpool, etc treat people and let me watch united in the champions league rather than championship

Genuine question: If you’d rather be a customer watching a team in the Champions League than a fan watching United, why don’t you support Liverpool? There’s nothing stopping you switching.

If your answer is “because United is the team I support”, then you’ve answered the question as to why Billy Sharp is so loved.
 
the facts are he has still scored more goals for other clubs in his career than he has for us

Only if you add together all the other clubs he's played for. We're the club that he's scored the most for (by far).
 

Yeah I understand that and this mentality is why we never achieve anything as a club , and would I rather the club be run as a business and actually win something or have it as you say a club , 100% treat me as a customer like city man United Liverpool, etc treat people and let me watch united in the champions league rather than championship

You are dead inside
 
Yes I understand that , I just think he was great in league 1 , absolutely no better than average championship , and before everyone jumps on me he scored 60 goals in over 200 appearances for us at championship level
Agree to disagree here.
Sharp on his first return only started to get going and then Blackwell shipped him out. His goals to games ratio and also performances were not as good as his 3rd and final spell with us. He developed his game after moving away from us I feel.

L1 he was a cheat code of a striker at the time. In the championship under Wilder he scored 36 in 74 games inc. 23 in the promotion the PL season.
He still offered something in the PL too, especially first season he was coming into his own as covid hit. His game has developed to not be just about goals scored.

That first season down, he still managed to get 14 goals that season before injury and actually was provider on many occasions that season too. Didn't he get something like 3 assists in that 5-2 win vs Peterborough?

However way you look at it he's been a key figure and leading part of 3 promotions, captained the side well through that and scored 129 goals for the club in all his spells here. I'm struggling to think about what more you want from a player?
 
Yeah I understand that and this mentality is why we never achieve anything as a club , and would I rather the club be run as a business and actually win something or have it as you say a club , 100% treat me as a customer like city man United Liverpool, etc treat people and let me watch united in the champions league rather than championship
Go and be a customer of one of the “big” teams then. Be a glory hunter. That’s not what we are about. Sure, it would be nice, but that’s just the dream of sugar on the top.

I’m not a customer. I’m not a consumer. I’m a Blade.
 
treat me as a customer like city man United Liverpool, etc treat people and let me watch united in the champions league rather than championship
This is an astonishing comment. Football fans might be treated as customers by some clubs, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that, they still see themselves as fans.

And as such, they take players to heart in the exact same way that we do. And fans always will have a soft spot for the "local lad come good", regardless of which team it is.

Ask Newcastle fans who their favourite player is. I'm certain the majority will tell you it's Alan Shearer, despite the club winning nothing while he was there.

As someone in this thread has already mentioned, Man City fans will almost certainly favour Phil Foden over Grealish for example, because he's "one of their own".

Spurs haven't won a trophy for nearly 20 years, but I bet most fans you ask will tell you all about how Harry Kane is one of the greatest to ever play for them. Because he's "one of their own".

And frankly, it seems like the whole "treat me like a customer" thing is coming good already, considering recent increases to single ticket prices, replica shirt prices etc. Many fans are being priced out, but it's okay because that's exactly what one commenter on a forum wants, for an absurd ambition of us playing in the Champions League like we're the new fucking Roy of the Rovers.

As others have said, it seems like you'd be better off following another team considering what you want out of your support.
 
This is an astonishing comment. Football fans might be treated as customers by some clubs, sure, but that doesn't change the fact that, they still see themselves as fans.

And as such, they take players to heart in the exact same way that we do. And fans always will have a soft spot for the "local lad come good", regardless of which team it is.

Ask Newcastle fans who their favourite player is. I'm certain the majority will tell you it's Alan Shearer, despite the club winning nothing while he was there.

As someone in this thread has already mentioned, Man City fans will almost certainly favour Phil Foden over Grealish for example, because he's "one of their own".

Spurs haven't won a trophy for nearly 20 years, but I bet most fans you ask will tell you all about how Harry Kane is one of the greatest to ever play for them. Because he's "one of their own".

And frankly, it seems like the whole "treat me like a customer" thing is coming good already, considering recent increases to single ticket prices, replica shirt prices etc. Many fans are being priced out, but it's okay because that's exactly what one commenter on a forum wants, for an absurd ambition of us playing in the Champions League like we're the new fucking Roy of the Rovers.

As others have said, it seems like you'd be better off following another team considering what you want out of your support.
Well as you have taken what I have said completely out of context let me put the context back , what I'm saying is that our fan base has a small time mentality, that's why there are people posting that a 38 year old ex player scored in the fa cup away at a non league side, i couldn't give a shit if he has , what I'm concerned about is the here and now, I understand that football is a business and that players are employees yes there are some that support the club and that's great , and as an investor the chances are they won't be a blade , so they won't give 2 shits about who billy sharp scored against last week either , but if they are prepared to put x amount of money in to get us promoted and keep us up and for that they run the club like a business rather than an old boys club for ex players then im happy with that I've spent the best part of 40 years watching us win hardly anything, and watching us sell of our best promising assets to balance the books , and its got us precisely nowhere, so im all for a bit of forward thinking and as for the Newcastle and spurs comparisons , yes harry kane may well be one of their own but he has left now for a bigger club, because spurs never win anything, and im sure the man city, Chelsea and arsenal fans / customers would give up every fa cup, league title, champions league, trophy to finish 5th with a home grown striker up front especially one that scored away at Kettering
 
Go and be a customer of one of the “big” teams then. Be a glory hunter. That’s not what we are about. Sure, it would be nice, but that’s just the dream of sugar on the top.

I’m not a customer. I’m not a consumer. I’m a Blade.
Me too that's why I couldn't give a shit if billy sharp scores every week for Doncaster, although by definition I am a customer as I've just purchased a ticket for Plymouth game
 
Well as you have taken what I have said completely out of context let me put the context back , what I'm saying is that our fan base has a small time mentality, that's why there are people posting that a 38 year old ex player scored in the fa cup away at a non league side, i couldn't give a shit if he has , what I'm concerned about is the here and now, I understand that football is a business and that players are employees yes there are some that support the club and that's great , and as an investor the chances are they won't be a blade , so they won't give 2 shits about who billy sharp scored against last week either , but if they are prepared to put x amount of money in to get us promoted and keep us up and for that they run the club like a business rather than an old boys club for ex players then im happy with that I've spent the best part of 40 years watching us win hardly anything, and watching us sell of our best promising assets to balance the books , and its got us precisely nowhere, so im all for a bit of forward thinking and as for the Newcastle and spurs comparisons , yes harry kane may well be one of their own but he has left now for a bigger club, because spurs never win anything, and im sure the man city, Chelsea and arsenal fans / customers would give up every fa cup, league title, champions league, trophy to finish 5th with a home grown striker up front especially one that scored away at Kettering
I understood exactly what you were saying, I just highlighted one thing that stood out to me more than the rest.

But to dive more into it, you sound like a quintessential glory hunter, although you apparently are refusing to embrace it. You seem completely blind to the concept of sentiment, certainly when football is concerned, and as though nothing is important to you in regards to football, if it is not allowing you to lord your affiliation over others.

Which, considering the sheer volume of football clubs, both in this country and in general, makes your alleged supporting of Sheffield United even more puzzling.

I would imagine that the vast majority of football fans of clubs who are not among the handful to win major trophies on a regular basis, are fully comprehending of their team's position in the world of football. And, while they might harbour fantastical ambitions of their team winning the league, or some other major trophy, they are accepting of the fact that the possibility of such success is ludicrously remote. And yet, are thoroughly happy to maintain their support regardless. But you are an exception to the rule. A bizarre anomaly, that seems to follow the Blades in spite of the fact that we are "unsuccessful".


our fan base has a small time mentality
Well, strange as it may seem, but when your club hasn't won a major trophy for almost a century, you tend to begin to celebrate the smaller successes. Considering you're so opposed to this small club mentality, I'll take it that you didn't celebrate when we won League 1, or when we've been promoted to the Premier League? These aren't major trophies after all.

Every club's fans celebrate when they have moments of success. It just so happens that success is relative to the club in question. To a modern Man City fan for example, success would be interpreted as winning the Premier League/Champions League. But what about Man City 25 years ago? Was it a success when they beat Gillingham at Wembley to win the Division 2 play-off final? Or should they have just waited until they got bought out, and started competing for trophies that actually matter?


im sure the man city, Chelsea and arsenal fans / customers would give up every fa cup, league title, champions league, trophy to finish 5th with a home grown striker up front especially one that scored away at Kettering
I'm pretty sure I can hear the faint whistle, of the point flying over your head. I'm not saying that fans would give up trophies. This comes back to the concept of sentiment, which as I said you apparently fail to grasp. It's not the fact that Billy scored at Kettering that inherently garners interest. It's that he was a significant contributor to the most successful period we have had since the early 1900's. And, alien as this might be to you, being that you're all about "the here and now", but most fans care about those achievements, and remember them, and the people responsible for them, with great affection. And as such, it's pleasing to see him continue to enjoy his own moments of success, whether they be large or small.
 
Only if you add together all the other clubs he's played for. We're the club that he's scored the most for -

yes that's correct and that's what I said if you add all the goals he's scored in his career, and subtract the ones he's scored for us you will see that the number of goals has scored for other clubs combined is higher than the number he scored for Sheffield United, now someone on here was comparing him with shearer and kane in terms of one of our own etc, do the same calculation with those 2 and let me know the result
 
I understood exactly what you were saying, I just highlighted one thing that stood out to me more than the rest.

But to dive more into it, you sound like a quintessential glory hunter, although you apparently are refusing to embrace it. You seem completely blind to the concept of sentiment, certainly when football is concerned, and as though nothing is important to you in regards to football, if it is not allowing you to lord your affiliation over others.

Which, considering the sheer volume of football clubs, both in this country and in general, makes your alleged supporting of Sheffield United even more puzzling.

I would imagine that the vast majority of football fans of clubs who are not among the handful to win major trophies on a regular basis, are fully comprehending of their team's position in the world of football. And, while they might harbour fantastical ambitions of their team winning the league, or some other major trophy, they are accepting of the fact that the possibility of such success is ludicrously remote. And yet, are thoroughly happy to maintain their support regardless. But you are an exception to the rule. A bizarre anomaly, that seems to follow the Blades in spite of the fact that we are "unsuccessful".



Well, strange as it may seem, but when your club hasn't won a major trophy for almost a century, you tend to begin to celebrate the smaller successes. Considering you're so opposed to this small club mentality, I'll take it that you didn't celebrate when we won League 1, or when we've been promoted to the Premier League? These aren't major trophies after all.

Every club's fans celebrate when they have moments of success. It just so happens that success is relative to the club in question. To a modern Man City fan for example, success would be interpreted as winning the Premier League/Champions League. But what about Man City 25 years ago? Was it a success when they beat Gillingham at Wembley to win the Division 2 play-off final? Or should they have just waited until they got bought out, and started competing for trophies that actually matter?



I'm pretty sure I can hear the faint whistle, of the point flying over your head. I'm not saying that fans would give up trophies. This comes back to the concept of sentiment, which as I said you apparently fail to grasp. It's not the fact that Billy scored at Kettering that inherently garners interest. It's that he was a significant contributor to the most successful period we have had since the early 1900's. And, alien as this might be to you, being that you're all about "the here and now", but most fans care about those achievements, and remember them, and the people responsible for them, with great affection. And as such, it's pleasing to see him continue to enjoy his own moments of success, whether they be large or small.
Fair enough I'm genuinely happy for him
 

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