What Would You Do With The Corner.

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snootyfenooty said:
My ST renewal for the SS is £250. The facilities are fine as are entrance and egress (i.e. no steps). It's unlikely the corner could be made better than that for us oldies. Besides, I'd rather sit with people younger than me rather than a bunch of moaning old fuckers. You trying to get rid of us or summat? ;)
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Lol, Not at all! I know a lot of oldies would prefer sitting with everyone else (my Dad included) but there are some who are a bit frail and maybe not as quick/confident in a rush anymore. Just think its a shame some life long fans dont come anymore for those reasons and would be nice if there was something to make it a bit easier for them.
 
snootyfenooty said:
They managed it OK because there wasn't a difference in rake. It ties in perfectly if you look.
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I will look at the Preston game, but the Westfield Corner was designed to match the (steep) rake of the BLUT. The rake of the SS is much shallower.

Re. the faded seats (not peculiar to BDTBL - Sunderland's 'in sun' seats are now more white than red. Not fit for purpose). Years ago I worked for a firm that made - amongst other things - stainless steel wall ties. We developed a plastic clip that fitted to the wall ties and was designed to hold insulation panels against the inner leaf while maintaining a (50mm) cavity. These clips were about 3" square and made of semi-flexible plastic and exactly the same red colour as the seats. We had several prototypes made of different types of plastic and, over two years, left them up on the roof and subject to all the vagaries of temperature, sun, elements etc. While maintaining the colour wasn't important, none of these clips 'faded' at all. Neither did any become brittle or misshapen.

Whoever makes some of these seats hasn't done any testing or product development. The manufactuers should be called back and told to replace them as 'we ordered red, not f***ing pink!'
 
the reason that corner is so bad is because the John Street Stand doesn't have enough rows of seats. The glass wall of the front of the 'executive' boxes is too close to the pitch and you cannot see round them.

Red plastic seats (why do you think they call them 'bleachers' folks?) fade in the sun, red cars suffer quicker than other colours too don't they? The ground would look much more attractive if some of the seats were black ... or white.
 
grafikhaus said:
But the Westfield Corner/South Stand managed the difference in rake OK, without:
  • Having an inexplicable gap which serves no purpose
  • Doesn't have dozens of seats with zero view of the game because they are 'hidden behind the wall at the east end of the JSS.
  • Installing cheap seats that turn pink in the sun.
What would I do with it? I said when it was built. I'd have told the architects to come back and re-design it when they weren't pissed. Who were the architects? Blunkett & Wonder RIBA?
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Royal Institute of Blind Architects?
 
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the other reason it's so bad is because the architects (who Kevin McC. asked me to join) were utterly without talent. They employed a bunch of architectural technicians (half-qualified architects) to do the job because they come cheap.

A good architect inevitably challenges his client, because he will come up with ideas the client hasn't had - technicians daren't do this nor do crap architects for fear of losing the job.
 
Why don't they just put a latrine in there?

It's hard enough to nip out for a jimmy at the best of times.

And for those in the corner stands they can chant "piss on the B*****ds below, below" in an amusing hommage to the song whenever someone nips over to water the horses.

The rest of you are just overthinking it!

:)
 
vorpal blade said:
What Kevin McCabe hasn't taken on board is that any expansion of capacity of the Kop MUST involve it's demolition and rebuilding - it's simply too uncomfortable as a seated terrace.

The current proposed backward extension of the Kop leaves the back rows at the limit of how far away from the action you can sell a ticket for. And yet, the front row of the Kop is too CLOSE to the goal line .... this is why the crowd has to stand up when the ball is in the Kop penalty area.

I think the only viable answer is to extend the John St. Stand and the South Stand towards Shoreham Street by about 16 metres (thus expanding their capacity a little) and rebuilding the Kop entirely.

The current proposed design takes the height of the new Kop to its practical limit .... otherwise, the houses on t'other side of Shoreham Street would be too overshadowed..... so if you build the new Kop Stand closer to them, it would have to be a bit lower to compensate - therefore the new capacity would be less - BUT if you extend the John Street and South Stands, you can compensate for this loss of future capacity.

The extra straight areas of seating are drawn Green on this plan. (note that the original terracing is shown on the O.S.map and it forms the current Kop)

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the pitch can then be nudged closer to Shoreham Street (obviously not the whole 16m) and this would allow the Lower Bramall Lane terrace (shown Blue) to be rebuilt higher and become continuous with the Bramall Lane Upper or with a step to divide the supporters.... you would almost to double it's capacity.

So, the big problem is a psychological one for Kevin. If you rebuild the Kop, because of modern standards of safety & comfort, the density of the crowd would be diminished .... you and he have to realise that rebuilding of the Kop COMPLETELY is inevitable and overdue.

The sketch plan outlined here shows how such a rebuilding of the Kop could be achieved while maximising the crowd capacity at BDTBL - but you cannot do it without thinking strategically about the development of the rest of the ground.

(obviously the John St. Stand is problematic (hence the botch job filling the corner with seats)... the red line shows the unobstructed Line of Sight from a new corner curve to the corner flag at Bramall Lane/John St. - for me, rebuilding this stand ought to be contemplated - possible before putting a new tier on top of the South Stand ... which as others have pointed out, would make the ground lob-sided.)
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This design is commendable, but what would it cost? We know Kev hasn't got the deepest of pockets and the current design is attainable.

I would love something like you are proposing as it maintains the organic development of the Lane without it becoming a soulless bowl.

Kev has got a commercial element built into the current design so the gap between the Kop and the South Stand is spoken for and extending the Kop backwards is cheaper than entirely rebuilding it

As much as I would love your design to come into existence I don't think it will happen.

If only we had a rich investor on board ???
 
Ive been 3 rows from disabled area for quite along time always thought where they are now was 1 of the best seats in the house. because like my uncle he's front row halfway line & if you move to corner, yeah you might be higher up but you would have terrible view of bramall lane end
 



KoppedOff said:
Was just thinking this as well.

I’ve never sat in there, so dont know if the accessibility would be up to it but how about making it a designated older supporters section as well? Somewhere thats got plenty of space and no crushing to get out, etc so some of the older fans can get in and out without feeling rushed or intimidated. Maybe have a few volunteers in there to help out.

I know a few 70+ Blades who dont go anymore purely because they dont like the crush and rushing about. If they knew they could go and avoid that, plus easy access to the bog and a cup of tea I’m sure theyd go.
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To be renamed "The Sit Darn" stand
 
KoppedOff said:
Was just thinking this as well.

I’ve never sat in there, so dont know if the accessibility would be up to it but how about making it a designated older supporters section as well? Somewhere thats got plenty of space and no crushing to get out, etc so some of the older fans can get in and out without feeling rushed or intimidated. Maybe have a few volunteers in there to help out.

I know a few 70+ Blades who dont go anymore purely because they dont like the crush and rushing about. If they knew they could go and avoid that, plus easy access to the bog and a cup of tea I’m sure theyd go.
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You'd need to get Jaipur in too for BornOnShoreham
 
Always head to the Pukka pies or Westfield corners for the colder months....lovely and warm in there....90 degrees
 
Well yes Eddie, it'll cost a lot, though I don't see why the plan I drew would particularly cost anymore than the 'planned' tier on top of the South Stand and the extension of the back of the Kop

APART from cost of demolition of the Kop ...... and for me that is a Necessity.

I think Kevin was a Quantity Surveyor in a previous life, the approach to redevelopment has always been fairly cut price, and those old enough will remember how building the South Stand ruined the club - the repercussions of which near bankruptcy still echo...? But at some point a lot of us feel the Kop MUST be PROPERLY upgraded, with a cost, in pounds shillings and pence directly but also in reduced capacity on the Kop ....

UNLESS the whole ground capacity and sightlines etc. are thought of as a whole.
 
Bashar Al Asaba said:
Of course, I've never been on that corner and I've not been on the entire John St stand for 17 years because Sheffield United think it's okay to discriminate against those who don't have children.
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used to sit on that corner when I was a kid last went on there for the port vale match under adkins when i was 20 you get a decent view of the pitch but there's no noise on that stand unless we win or score, its better for people who want to watch the match in a quieter atmosphere
 
snootyfenooty said:
My ST renewal for the SS is £250. The facilities are fine as are entrance and egress (i.e. no steps). It's unlikely the corner could be made better than that for us oldies. Besides, I'd rather sit with people younger than me rather than a bunch of moaning old fuckers. You trying to get rid of us or summat? ;)
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Sit darn.
 
grafikhaus said:
But the Westfield Corner/South Stand managed the difference in rake OK,
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snootyfenooty said:
They managed it OK because there wasn't a difference in rake. It ties in perfectly if you look.
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Here you go:

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I reckon the Westfield/BLUT are around 40° and the SS is around 35°. The former both have central handrails down the gangways but the SS doesn't.

Interestingly (or maybe not), while I was Googling for the above image, I came across this image with 'Images may be subject to copyright':

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Well, I took that pic. and it can be seen here. How do I know? Well in 1989, my photographic skills were even worse than they are now and I took the above image in three shots and Sellotaped them together (no Photoshop back then...) By the time I'd got the third shot (kop end), play had moved on and there were about 30 players on the field! A few years ago, I did a primitive Photoshopping to erase the number of players down to 22. Click on the link, click on the image to magnify it and look at the piss-poor job I did (halfway line, over at the John Street side):

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grafikhaus said:
Here you go:

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I reckon the Westfield/BLUT are around 40° and the SS is around 35°. The former both have central handrails down the gangways but the SS doesn't.

Interestingly (or maybe not), while I was Googling for the above image, I came across this image with 'Images may be subject to copyright':

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Well, I took that pic. and it can be seen here. How do I know? Well in 1989, my photographic skills were even worse than they are now and I took the above image in three shots and Sellotaped them together (no Photoshop back then...) By the time I'd got the third shot (kop end), play had moved on and there were about 30 players on the field! A few years ago, I did a primitive Photoshopping to erase the number of players down to 22. Click on the link, click on the image to magnify it and look at the piss-poor job I did (halfway line, over at the John Street side):

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You should have left it with 30 odd on the pitch so that in future generations when somebody picks this photo up in an archive somewhere they could have deliberated for months as to why we played 15 a side in this match. Much like the speculation that goes on these days when we dig up Roman artefacts.
 
Ricky said:
It would be good if they could make it a section for disabled fans. The front of the Westfield Corner would also be suitable. They should have a better option than watching games from pitch level. Even at grounds where they have disabled areas higher in the stand, their view can still be blocked if people in front simply stand up. It's something that needs more consideration in football. No excuses.
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A bit like what Man U are going to do,they are dropping capacity from roughly 75k to 73k to make more room for disabled fans.
 
I wish they would make the entrances to the SS wider for us that are of ample proportions (fat bastards) it’s like a bloody sardine fitting into a tin! Consideration please to those that Luke their food and a pint.
 



vorpal blade said:
Well yes Eddie, it'll cost a lot, though I don't see why the plan I drew would particularly cost anymore than the 'planned' tier on top of the South Stand and the extension of the back of the Kop

APART from cost of demolition of the Kop ...... and for me that is a Necessity.

I think Kevin was a Quantity Surveyor in a previous life, the approach to redevelopment has always been fairly cut price, and those old enough will remember how building the South Stand ruined the club - the repercussions of which near bankruptcy still echo...? But at some point a lot of us feel the Kop MUST be PROPERLY upgraded, with a cost, in pounds shillings and pence directly but also in reduced capacity on the Kop ....

UNLESS the whole ground capacity and sightlines etc. are thought of as a whole.
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All that will be kicked into touch if the Prince gets full ownership.
 
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