Weir should stay:

[Bladesway]

That game also gave us an insight into what life without McDonald would be like (I know he played but he was totally disinterested).

While McDonald was our best player he went missing most of last season and we were shit when he did. So perhaps Wilson was doing better than he was ever given credit for. Probably why he hasn't said anything since he was fired because he hasn't stopped pissing himself.

 

[wardonia_blade]

Should read involved

 

[alcoblade]

Westlake's main weakness is defending crosses coming in from the opposite wing and this was highlighted against Burton in our 2nd game. That game also gave us an insight into what life without McDonald would be like (I know he played but he was totally disinterested).

To put a different slant on it, McDonald was shit for the whole of last season, looked top drawer given lots of space against a shit side with 10 men, then reverted to type against 4th division opposition.

He has the heart of a mouse and will always be anonymous in any team that doesn't have the ball.

If you believe that, as I do, its taken a special effort by Weir to turn the last season's ordinary side into this season's woeful one. The loss of McDonald just doesn't explain it, IMHO.

UTB

 

[Gavlar]

Preparing to be flamed here, but my view is that David Weir should stay;
We simply cannot go on changing managers, I am sure we all have ideas who we should bring in as a new manager, but realistically how do we know that any new manager could make this squad play any better.

A slightly different scenario but most will remember in his first two seasons, Ched Evans was slated, as being crap, to me at that time he was not being played to his strengths. Wilson came along, played to his strengths and we had the goalscorer we craved.

Weir has to be allowed the time to develop what he wants, I also think as we now have a new wealthy backer, that he should be allowed the money to pay off the players he doesn't want, and replace them with the players he does. I am pretty sure given a free rein, then many of the players we have on the books he would get rid off, if he is not allowed the money to pay players off, then it is going to take longer for him to get the team he wants.

Even with the current team we will finish nearer the top than the bottom. My view he needs the time, and we need to be more patient than we as fans are showing at the moment.

Stands back and waits to be assassinated...........

I'm chiming in late into this, but I hear where you're coming from mate. sacking managers is never a long term recipe for success. I think we will probably lose the next two games, but I'm hoping for a big improvement in performance and really Weir needs to either change the formation or tactics or both. We need to do some business in the loan market for a decent striker and get some out of contract free players as mentioned on another thread. I can't see us scoring many at all with our current strikers, tho i'm wondering about a Porter and Taylor combo and whether that would work? Ironside has to be loaned out and Miller cant come back quick enough.

My worry like many on here is Weir's stubbornness to play a formation and tactics that aren't working. He needs to be more flexible and drop players like Doyle who aren't good enough but are guaranteed a game.

I really think 7 league games is too early to sack someone. Any manager needs at least half a season to show what they can do but these days no-one gets the time they need and if we carry on we could be so far off the pace come Jan that we go straight down which would be unthinkable.

So i'm worried and can only see him lasting another month if things carry on which is sad as I thought he would do well.

 

[alcoblade]

I'm chiming in late into this, but I hear where you're coming from mate. sacking managers is never a long term recipe for success.

That's just factually incorrect fella. Look no further than last season, our division, and Bournemouth. They're now a division above us.

It's right that excessive hiring and firing is not good for business. It's also right that a shit manager is a shit manager. The decision of what to do is hence a difficult one, but let's not hide behind a myth that sacking a manager is always a bad thing to do, or that previous rash decisions mean that you should delay future rational ones.

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[Gavlar]

That's just factually incorrect fella. Look no further than last season, our division, and Bournemouth. They're now a division above us.

It's right that excessive hiring and firing is not good for business. It's also right that a shit manager is a shit manager. The decision of what to do is hence a difficult one, but let's not hide behind a myth that sacking a manager is always a bad thing to do, or that previous rash decisions mean that you should delay future rational ones.

UTB

For every Bournemouth there's a load of Nott's County's who have sacked hundreds of managers and done nothing.
Living in Bristol, both teams sack their manager every year or so and are both getting worse. It also depends how you define long term success? Bournemouth maybe higher than us at the mo, but if we give Weir or whoever a good crack of the whip (ie a couple of seasons) and we will be back above them and then hopefully continue to rise. Bournemouth have taken a few pastings already this season and could be back down by the end of the season.

You're right about a bad manager being a bad one, but I don't think that can be determined after 7 games.

 

[BladeFisher]

McCabe stuck with Warnock when many were shouting for his head and we managed to achieve the goal eventually. After the relative euphoria of 02/03, there's no way Warnock would have survived 03/04 and certainly not 04/05 in this day and age and we're only talking 10 years.

No-one gets any time these days hence the reason (just checked) that there are only 25 current league managers who have been in place longer than 1 season. Chris Wilder currently lies 3rd !

Warnock's win percentage was never as low as 14 chuffing percent!

 

[shorehamview]

I'm not a teacher by the way.

Are you a traffic warden?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Ah yes, how could we forget "Weir's Big Book of Contacts?
So far, it appears to be gathering dust on the shelf next to "Weir's Big Book of Tactics Vol 2"

I think most would agree that Baxter (from his Everton days) is a decent signing.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

I think most would agree that Baxter (from his Everton days) is a decent signing.

I think that people who were thrilled about Weir's contacts expected him to be able to choose from Man Utd and Everton's best unwanted players. Like Lingard and Macheda for example.

That's clearly not the case and was never going to be. Just another flaw in the logic behind appointing rookie Weir.

 

[alcoblade]

You're right about a bad manager being a bad one, but I don't think that can be determined after 7 games.

10 now, including 2 to 4th division opposition in the cups. We couldn't beat those over 90 minutes either.

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[sheffielder]

Weir either needs some help like Walter Smith or needs to go. The situation is too big now for a novice.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I think that people who were thrilled about Weir's contacts expected him to be able to choose from Man Utd and Everton's best unwanted players. Like Lingard and Macheda for example.

That's clearly not the case and was never going to be. Just another flaw in the logic behind appointing rookie Weir.

True but we're League 1, we're not going to get those kind of players dropping down to this level whoever the manager is.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

True but we're League 1, we're not going to get those kind of players dropping down to this level whoever the manager is.

Exactly

 

[Pennblade]

Yesterday's performance was poor - just 3 attempts on target none of which looked like scoring. However, Weir goes on Praise or Grumble and says there were lots of redeeming features in the performance. The man is delusional.
Odds on we will lose next week at Wolves. That will be 9 league games and 1 win, against a ten man side who are even lower in the league than us.

That's 1 win and 20% of the season is gone - surely 20% of the season is long enough to see that Weir will not cut it - sack him now. To those who disagree - I respect your opinion - but tell me just how many more games would you give him?

 

[Jehovah]

He must go now. If I hear "we're very disappointed" one more time ill scream.

 

[Gavlar]

He must go now. If I hear "we're very disappointed" one more time ill scream.

we're very disappointed you feel that way......

 

[WhiteHawk]

After succeeding in pulling the shipwrecked Costa Concordia out of the Med, the contractors have now been asked to keep Sheff Utd up.

 

[Sirius]

While McDonald was our best player he went missing most of last season and we were shit when he did. So perhaps Wilson was doing better than he was ever given credit for. Probably why he hasn't said anything since he was fired because he hasn't stopped pissing himself.

Weir's actions speak louder than any words Wilson could use