we don't want you..............

[davidpinder]

On OS that blackwell is planning ahead, we don't want you planning for next season. Whose with me on this?

http://www.sufc.co.uk/page/Gaffersnotes/0,,10418~2008873,00.html

 

[Blade Blade]

"...but whatever happens there is a massive rebuilding job to do because in a month's time there will only be about eight or players left on contracts."

So who are these 8?

I'm pretty sure these are contracted for next season:

France
Morgan
Henderson
Evans
Yeates
Williamson
Taylor
Cresswell
Ward
Stewart
Sharp
Quinn
Aksalu

That's 13, and there's question marks over:

Naysmith
Montgomery (likely to sign)
Bennett
Harper
Seip
Little
Geary
Fortune

I think Kevin might be lying/stretching the truth again.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Don't waste your breath. He is continually talking himself into staying and he has excuses/alibis that he can hide behind.

You've not seen the back of him for a while yet.

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

So who are these 8?

I'm pretty sure these are contracted for next season:

France
Morgan
Henderson
Evans
Yeates
Williamson
Taylor
Cresswell
Ward
Stewart
Sharp
Quinn
Aksalu

I am not sure that Morgan isn't out of contract. I've a very vague recollection of something being said about him a few months back. He probably isn't counting Aksalu and Sharp in that. That's down to ten. Jordan Stewart - please - may also be out of contract as we simply swapped contracts with Derby for Hendrie didn't we? And given that France is simply crap, maybe nobody counts him?

p.s. If we're counting Sharp, shouldn't we be counting Kyel Reid too?

 

[mickle-blade]

"blackwell is planning ahead"..........................

The man certainly didn't do much planning this season did he !
We started the season without an adequate squad.
Wonder what he thinks he can do differently next season ?
He has had is time....Thanks for turning things around after Robson but the time to go was after Wembley. He has had his money for an extra year now. Time to go please.

 

[ironbar]

"...but whatever happens there is a massive rebuilding job to do because in a month's time there will only be about eight or players left on contracts."

So who are these 8?

I'm pretty sure these are contracted for next season:

France
Morgan
Henderson
Evans
Yeates
Williamson
Taylor
Cresswell
Ward
Stewart
Sharp
Quinn
Aksalu

That's 13, and there's question marks over:

Naysmith
Montgomery (likely to sign)
Bennett
Harper
Seip
Little
Geary
Fortune

I think Kevin might be lying/stretching the truth again.

Can we add Paddy Kenny to that list .

 

[beightonblade]

I'm not sure Fergie wud have success at BDTBL wi the backing McCabe has given

 

[IOM Blade]

I'm not sure Fergie wud have success at BDTBL wi the backing McCabe has given

Well I’d certainly turn out every Saturday to watch her.

 

[Darthblade]

Don't waste your breath. He is continually talking himself into staying and he has excuses/alibis that he can hide behind.

You've not seen the back of him for a while yet.

Blackwell may be, at best, an average Manager; he may find it difficult to get on with the supporters, but one thing he is International Class at is "passing the buck".
He could do that for England !!!
You will never hear him accepting responsibility and shouldering the blame that is a fact.
UTB

 

[LouTheBlade]

Blackwell may be, at best, an average Manager; he may find it difficult to get on with the supporters, but one thing he is International Class at is "passing the buck".
He could do that for England !!!
You will never hear him accepting responsibility and shouldering the blame that is a fact.
UTB

It's a common trait of players mainly, occasionally managers. They always look for someone else to blame. That is why when the chips are down, the ones that look for excuses or pass the buck are found wanting.

It shows your true colours when things go from a bad patch to completely tits up!

 

[Kev Gee]

Even Wenger & Fergie give players a kick up the arse or admit when they have dropped a clanger tactics wise.

Oh no not our Kev though.

 

[TonyAgana]

"blackwell is planning ahead"..........................

The man certainly didn't do much planning this season did he !
We started the season without an adequate squad.
Wonder what he thinks he can do differently next season ?
He has had is time....Thanks for turning things around after Robson but the time to go was after Wembley. He has had his money for an extra year now. Time to go please.

You've answered your own argument, there. The budget and wage bill targets changed during the season. How can Blackwell be held responsible for that?

 

[broomhillblade]

It's a common trait of players mainly, occasionally managers. They always look for someone else to blame. That is why when the chips are down, the ones that look for excuses or pass the buck are found wanting.

It shows your true colours when things go from a bad patch to completely tits up!

I can't recall Bassett or Warnock ever slagging off players in public. They would defend them to the hilt (and if necessary give them a bollocking in private).

That's how it should be.

 

[Blade Blade]

Can we add Paddy Kenny to that list .

You're right, I was going off the official site so missed Paddy off as he hasn't been there for a while. So, minimum of 14 then? Double our Kev's estimates.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

'The budget and wage bill targets changed during the season'

No excuse for not getting a goalie and defenders in at the start of the season before the cuts.

 

[breeny]

All this Blackwell bashing is totally pointless. I'm of the opinion now that whoever came in would struggle with the resources available.

The board needs to be honest with us and set a realistic target for finishing the league next season.

The issue of loanees needs sorting with only a minimal amount being used, and the return of Billy

 

[davidpinder]

While KB is managing players like Billy we will go know where fast. He plays so well for all other clubs.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

'The issue of loanees needs sorting'

It's like running a business with agency staff, near impossible.

 

[LouTheBlade]

I can't recall Bassett or Warnock ever slagging off players in public. They would defend them to the hilt (and if necessary give them a bollocking in private).

That's how it should be.

You're right. But Warnock used to blame referees instead. They all look for someone else.

 

[Micalijo]

'The issue of loanees needs sorting'

It's like running a business with agency staff, near impossible.

This stuff about the loans is the great mystery to me why people still show sympathy for Blackwell.

He obvioulsy made the decision last summer that he thought he was good enough to pick the right loan player (not including walker). Blackwell was not forced down the road of loans in my opinion. He had enough wedge to buy a few solid CCC players - he chose to blow all his (huge in CCC budget) on Evans. For me, his full time and loan signings have been attrocious. I assume he believed promotion was attainable by filling the squad with loan players with the affect that when the inevitable injuries came we could no longer use the loan market for what it was intended for and for how must properly managed clubs use it. He is a clown of the highest order.

 

[Bergen Blade]

It will be the start of a new era this summer, as we clearly have to rebuild a squad, almost from scratch. We have to think long and hard which direction we're going to take, and rather than going for experienced and expensive players on short term contracts to fill gaps, I hope the management (whoever that is) can agree on a modern and effective playing style where roles are clearly defined, and then build a squad with player types that fits the system.

If this means bringing in younger, inexperienced lower league players and some foreigners that may need some time to adapt and gel, then so be it. We will probably have to be patient, as it may take a couple of seasons at least to make us strong enough. The aim should be to have a team and squad strong enough to have a good chance of survival when we do get up.

Regarding who does the rebuilding, two things

- Is Blackwell willing/able to change his ways?
- If he is, will fans, and the board, show the necessary patience, if the many changes means we get a poor start to the season?

 

[NN6]

Micalijo...spot on...and its not just Evans...what about France (total waste of money, hardly played and must be on a decent wedge as came from a Premiership contract) Taylor (slow and out of his depth) Reid (never given a chance and even though out on loan suspect we are still paying part of his wages)Stewart (why get rid of one highly paid player for another one who contributes even less) .

Thats not to mention the loan players who are either semi permanently injured (Camara, Seip, Fortune, Little) or not good enough (Harper, Bartley)

Its also not to mention he's let a 15 goals so far centre forward go out on loan and let one fo the best wingers in the division leave for peanuts replacing him one who is 5 years older and on more money

Its also not to mention the dire football and totally defensive tactics employed.

 

[SwissBlade]

This stuff about the loans is the great mystery to me why people still show sympathy for Blackwell.

He obvioulsy made the decision last summer that he thought he was good enough to pick the right loan player (not including walker). Blackwell was not forced down the road of loans in my opinion. He had enough wedge to buy a few solid CCC players - he chose to blow all his (huge in CCC budget) on Evans. For me, his full time and loan signings have been attrocious. I assume he believed promotion was attainable by filling the squad with loan players with the affect that when the inevitable injuries came we could no longer use the loan market for what it was intended for and for how must properly managed clubs use it. He is a clown of the highest order.

I disagree to an extent Micalijo, I think he was probably asked the question "can we get away with a team of loanees (including Walker" and he said yes.

He did choose to blow big money on Ched (£700k min is still big money)

I don't think his signings have been attrocious, he's signed some duffers but he hasn't managed things well either. But of his early season signings the likes of Ched, Little, Walker, Williamson, Cresswell, Reid and Harper were good signings, its the way things have worked out either by his poor management style (Ched, Little, Walker and Harper) or by bad luck (Willo and Cresswell Injuries and Reid not settling)

I always thought we'd get 6-8th place, because I thought the division was stronger than it is.

We're losing out in a poor division (the top part of the division is approx 10 points off the same period last season) because of massive errors by both the club and the manager.

So yes he's made a big error with the loans, but there are other area's where he's just been very poor.

The mystery to me is why he can no longer get us organised like last season.

 

[Micalijo]

He can't get us organised because he hasn't got the ability to do it with a lower class of player. You and I could get results with Kenny, Naughton, Walker, Killa, Morgan, Naysmith, Ugo etc to choose from at the back.

I'm worried Swiss that you are still showing hints of sympathy! Willo is a crock, decent player but a crock - that is not bad luck. It is desperation from a shite manager. Evans is atrocious for me, Harper is past it. Taylor will never have the physical attricbutes to hack it at top of CCC, or any level of CCC. Blackwell has got it totally wrong in vast majority of cases. Cresswell is excellent for us. Other than that nothing. Ward got sent off when it mattered and KB doesn't like him imo. He's OK, nowt special IMO but better than owt else we've got.

I'm not sure where we are disagreeing re loans because as I said KB choose the path of loans - which is what I think you are saying in your first sentence

 

[LouTheBlade]

Micalijo / Swiss,

A lot of truth in what you're both saying here. Although I have a small amount of sympathy for him because I think his bad decisions have been magnified by the misfortune that has followed. The bad injury problems we have had only highlight the mistakes KB has made in terms of recruitment. It has essentially exposed the mistakes he has made. I am not entirely convinced that the injuries are more down to bad luck than something more tangible but I won't go there...........

Spending a significant sum on Ched Evans (regardless of how much it was) has certainly proved to be a mistake as he has been a complete dud. Lee Williamson was actually a very good signing but he clearly has on-going injury concerns, which should have been assessed before spending 600K on him really. What he was thinking when he signed Andy Taylor and Ryan France I can't even imagine.

Kyel Reid was signed and barely given a chance. Now he is banging in goals for Charlton. A manager has to stand by his decisions and even if the player doesnt appear to be settling in/finding form, he needs to stand by him. If you put faith in signing the player you have to trust him to contribute on the pitch.

I think the issue comes down to the manager's decision making being weak and hesitant. As a result, when things go slightly pear shaped, the team affairs haven't been managed strongly enough to cope with any problems that occur.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Micalijo / Swiss,

A lot of truth in what you're both saying here. Although I have a small amount of sympathy for him because I think his bad decisions have been magnified by the misfortune that has followed. The bad injury problems we have had only highlight the mistakes KB has made in terms of recruitment. It has essentially exposed the mistakes he has made. I am not entirely convinced that the injuries are more down to bad luck than something more tangible but I won't go there...........

Spending a significant sum on Ched Evans (regardless of how much it was) has certainly proved to be a mistake as he has been a complete dud. Lee Williamson was actually a very good signing but he clearly has on-going injury concerns, which should have been assessed before spending 600K on him really. What he was thinking when he signed Andy Taylor and Ryan France I can't even imagine.

Kyel Reid was signed and barely given a chance. Now he is banging in goals for Charlton. A manager has to stand by his decisions and even if the player doesnt appear to be settling in/finding form, he needs to stand by him. If you put faith in signing the player you have to trust him to contribute on the pitch.

I think the issue comes down to the manager's decision making being weak and hesitant. As a result, when things go slightly pear shaped, the team affairs haven't been managed strongly enough to cope with any problems that occur.

Surely that's what happened with Chedwyn?

 

[LouTheBlade]

Surely that's what happened with Chedwyn?

I wouldn't say so to be honest Grumpy. Ched has had more than enough appearances. In all but about 2 of them he was completely ineffectual. I think there is a good player in there somewhere but I think his poor form is entirely down to the player. It's up to Ched how good he wants to be because at the moment he's simply firing blanks.

Take Darius Henderson and Richard Cresswell; the former is considered to be rubbish by some supporters and the latter was considered initially to be a waste of money and not very good. Both have scored plenty of goals in an average, out of form side.

There is no excuse for Ched's form. I desperately want the lad to succeed but he has to look at himself and work out what he needs to do.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I still stand by my theory that he is being paid not to score [bonus paid to Chedwyn is much smaller than the payment to City for goals scored] and once that element of the transfer deal has passed [end of this season I hope] we have a 20 goal a year man on the books.

Why else can’t the £3M man score?

 

[LouTheBlade]

I still stand by my theory that he is being paid not to score [bonus paid to Chedwyn is much smaller than the payment to City for goals scored] and once that element of the transfer deal has passed [end of this season I hope] we have a 20 goal a year man on the books.

Why else can’t the £3M man score?

No I don't buy that theory Grumpy with all due respect. We needed a goal scorer and KB would have bought him in the hope of having a 20+ a season scorer that could take us into the PL. Any goal bonus going to Man City would be nothing in comparison to the rewards of promotion.

If that were the case then it would be ludicrous to sign him at all.

 

[SwissBlade]

I do have sypathy for Blackie, Micalijo, I think he's been royally shafted this season, doesn't mean that I like him, far from it, I think he should've had more backbone.

We're not that far away on our opinion of the loans, the subtle difference is that I think he was pushed into it, rather than being his idea... I keep wondering if NW would have been the same had Dooley not been by his side...

We've had a massive amount of misfortune, but its also not been managed well (Camara on sat for example), but without being on the inside its difficult to know how much influence (Bullying) Blackie has (does) on the fitness decisions.

As for the players on full contracts, Evans for me is not atrocious, just like Billy wasn't they're just the wrong players for the way we play.

Lou - Reid, from what I read was handled in the right way, his family are down south and he had some family issues that also contributed to him not settling

If I had to be drawn on this one, i'd say Blackie made a good decision to loan Reid.

As for the big outlays on so called dud's its only a flop if we can't recoup the cash or he doesn't come good. Ched had a 3 year contract doesn't he? So has time