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Hodgesleftpeg said:
Why can't there be an area where there is a no swearing policy that's for people who are articulate enough to string a sentence together without the use of swear words?
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perhaps the 'wannabe elitist i'd rather be at wimbledon but don't have the contacts' section
you should try a school playground :D
 
super_pig said:
there are a lot of young lads from big clubs who have never seens us but know our reputation and they fancy a pop.. it will happen all season .. they were sending twitter messages before the game even started.. slagging us off for only selling 2k tickets to go to exotic boro ( we had more at malaga.. heh)
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I can't believe that there are 'fans' of Sheffield United who actually revel in having a 'reputation' of sorts. For me, to be even remotely associated with that kind of nonsense is embarrassing, but I suppose every village has their idiot, we just happen to have several.
 
Gimli said:
I can't believe that there are 'fans' of Sheffield United who actually revel in having a 'reputation' of sorts. For me, to be even remotely associated with that kind of nonsense is embarrassing, but I suppose every village has their idiot, we just happen to have several.
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They'll learn soon enough that being a hard man isn't about how much you can give out, it's how much you can take.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.
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Great post. Depressing that there is even an alternative view.
 
What I find interesting is that despite a lot of angry and aggressive individuals on this forum, no one has actually come forward and admitted that they were involved in this incident. I would have thought that some of the morons who were involved in the violence at Boro are regular posters on here and would like to justify their actions? But so far, not a peep from them!

I keep hearing it's only a minority who act like this. That's not my experience of travelling to away games with the Blades. There are often hundreds of them acting like morons - so who are they? Are they on here? And if so, why don't you drop us a line to tell us why you behave like that? Is it the beer that makes you do it, or are there some deeper rooted problems that make you behave that way?
 
Cerberus Blade said:
What I find interesting is that despite a lot of angry and aggressive individuals on this forum, no one has actually come forward and admitted that they were involved in this incident. I would have thought that some of the morons who were involved in the violence at Boro are regular posters on here and would like to justify their actions? But so far, not a peep from them!

I keep hearing it's only a minority who act like this. That's not my experience of travelling to away games with the Blades. There are often hundreds of them acting like morons - so who are they? Are they on here? And if so, why don't you drop us a line to tell us why you behave like that? Is it the beer that makes you do it, or are there some deeper rooted problems that make you behave that way?
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We should look for clues in the previous posts.

Maybe luck for those that are really bad spelers and rubbish with there gramma like.
 
Kenilworth said:
As I've not lived in Sheffield for nearly 30 years I would often take Ken Jnr to away games before he fled the nest - geographically nearer to us - to see the Blades as we didn't get to all the home games. I don't think you should let the potential fear ruin such an occasion for you. Seeing the Blades on their travels is a great way to spend a Saturday or a weekday evening. You have to be a little more vigilant and be a bit wise about where to park, walk and go before and after the game but it's no where near as bad as it was during the late 70s and 80s - just nothing like it.

Those stats you alluded to. Is it like one of those where they try to scare people by stating road traffic incidents where they say deaths or serious injury are X and increased by Y%? They couple the two together to make it look worse than it is (of course no one wants a fatality on the roads) but the definition of a serious injury could be a broken leg or arm or rib, which could be as a result of a seat belt restraining someone - it's not a fatality.

People can be arrested for being drunk (as perceived by the officer in attendance) when attempting to enter a football ground. That's not an offence that was enforced until the last few years IIRC. Maybe that has contributed to the figures. My take is that if you believed all the scaremongering from the press and the state then you'd never leave the house. Bird Flu anyone?

Just be your normal sensible self and be observant and you'll be fine. You don't cross the street when there is traffic about without looking do you?
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Thanks for that reply. The stats from today's Guardian show a 1% rise in football related arrests, and the figure is still below what it was 5 years ago. Violence is much lower, but if it is beginning to creep up, then now is the time to address it; the gradual escalation of the 60s and 70s led to great damage to football, and it would be foolish in the extreme to let history repeat itself.
I was reassured by your experiences; but I am still unsure about taking on the responsibility of taking the young 'un.
 



Cerberus Blade said:
What I find interesting is that despite a lot of angry and aggressive individuals on this forum, no one has actually come forward and admitted that they were involved in this incident. I would have thought that some of the morons who were involved in the violence at Boro are regular posters on here and would like to justify their actions? But so far, not a peep from them!

I keep hearing it's only a minority who act like this. That's not my experience of travelling to away games with the Blades. There are often hundreds of them acting like morons - so who are they? Are they on here? And if so, why don't you drop us a line to tell us why you behave like that? Is it the beer that makes you do it, or are there some deeper rooted problems that make you behave that way?
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What's your definition of a Moron? Because by this statement you're more or less saying that 30%+ of the away support are morons.
 
bornablade said:
I'm of the opinion that if you want trouble at a football match then you'll find it. If you want to avoid trouble then you'll also avoid it.

If you get 'caught up' in trouble then I think you need to look at your own ability to assess a situation and see ahead where trouble might be brewing and respond accordingly. If you don't have this inner 'sat nav' then it's best not to attend certain matches and certainly not take a youngster.

I've been on the Shed end at Chelsea, home end at Milwall, Man City (new ground), Liverpool, Bolton. I've made sure that I've behaved in a way that wouldn't draw attention to myself. Never been a problem.
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Agree with all of that. I just don't accept that there should be no-go areas. Football is sport, entertainment, and there is no justification for it being a war-zone. Or at least nobody has come on here yet to explain what that justification is.
 
I should coco said:
Who'd stand there taking the picture rather than helping the kid up?

"Say Cheese"
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SteveBlade said:
Disgrace.

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Surely nobody really thinks the picture is genuine ISC? The kids laughing FFS.

It was posted on a banter group but now taken down, on the same group they've accused Blades fans of roasting a nun and flogging a great grandma. Shockingly bad taste but there you go.

By the way to those Blades who did cause trouble, PISS OFF up the moterway to Leeds where you'll be welcomed with open arms. We don't need you twats ruining what we've got going for us right now.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Understand the OP views, but you can't go through life worrying about what may happen. You'll end up missing all the good stuff.

Should be no different to anything else be vigilant and pay attention to whats happening and it should be fine.
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I am not a worrier. I feel I can manage my way round the Lane, even with kids, whose safety I do care about. Away grounds are more difficult to handle. But thanks for the reassurance.
 
coolhandluke said:
Apologies here Hodgy, I should have enquired in my earlier post . But what have you heard about last season's away support that's given you cause for concern ?
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Port Vale didn't look good, and several posts on here about the behaviour of a minority of our fans who would not be a pleasure to sit next to. I would welcome views from regular away travellers on whether these problems have been exaggerated.
 
super_pig said:
there are a lot of young lads from big clubs who have never seens us but know our reputation and they fancy a pop.. it will happen all season .. they were sending twitter messages before the game even started.. slagging us off for only selling 2k tickets to go to exotic boro ( we had more at malaga.. heh)
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A truly depressing thought...
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Port Vale didn't look good, and several posts on here about the behaviour of a minority of our fans who would not be a pleasure to sit next to. I would welcome views from regular away travellers on whether these problems have been exaggerated.
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Port Vale never looks good...it's a place where minor trouble is almost gauranteed starting from the 80's.
 
SteveBlade said:
Basically, some humans are cunts.

At least we aren't all cunts, like seagulls.
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bit harsh on seagulls.
there aren't all cunts, except the ones that live in Skegness.
imagine having no mortgage and a set of wings, and choosing to live in Skeggy - cuntish behaviour of the highest order.
 
HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Port Vale didn't look good, and several posts on here about the behaviour of a minority of our fans who would not be a pleasure to sit next to. I would welcome views from regular away travellers on whether these problems have been exaggerated.
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You're overthinking all this so much it's untrue.
If you want to go away and follow our team then just do it. If you're trying to conduct some sort of Trip Advisor thing it's a complete waste of time.
Either go away or don't.
Like you'll either go anywhere or you won't.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
What I find interesting is that despite a lot of angry and aggressive individuals on this forum, no one has actually come forward and admitted that they were involved in this incident. I would have thought that some of the morons who were involved in the violence at Boro are regular posters on here and would like to justify their actions? But so far, not a peep from them!

I keep hearing it's only a minority who act like this. That's not my experience of travelling to away games with the Blades. There are often hundreds of them acting like morons - so who are they? Are they on here? And if so, why don't you drop us a line to tell us why you behave like that? Is it the beer that makes you do it, or are there some deeper rooted problems that make you behave that way?
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I agree with the first point, although I have deliberately avoided using words like morons, in the hope that it would encourage some of those involved to come on here. There is a version of events which seems to say 'We were provoked, we stood our ground, fought back, and saw off the aggressors.' If that is the case, will the 'defeated' Boro fans
a) Say they have learnt the error of their ways, and behave peacefully in future;
b) say the Blades are too tough for them, and they'll avoid them in future;
c) decide for future matches to be better prepared so they can get revenge?
a and b are highly unlikely; c is quite depressing. Or am I missing something?
 
I've been to around 35-40 away matches over the past two seasons including Boro on Saturday and the hard man wannabes definitely seem to be on the increase. It seemed to start during Atkins reign when tickets were easily obtainable due to the poor football and we saw large groups of young uns acting pissed, drugged up and causing havoc at plenty of grounds on a Saturday within an hours drive or so. Donny, Rochdale Chessy etc to name a few but last season the older generation of thugs have started rearing there ugly heads again, Vale for one and I was surprised how many were involved at Boro. I had a bloke in his mid 50s with his daughter (20ish) stood in front of me against Boro and he ran down to the front and towards there supporters when it kicked off, trying to get involved and totally left his daughter. What sort of moron would do that?
I've seen far worse at matches than what we saw at Boro on Saturday but the worrying trend seems on the increase. Maybe it's time we tried to stamp it out before it escalates
 



seanbeenstattoo said:
You're overthinking all this so much it's untrue.
If you want to go away and follow our team then just do it. If you're trying to conduct some sort of Trip Advisor thing it's a complete waste of time.
Either go away or don't.
Like you'll either go anywhere or you won't.
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Totally disagree with you on this. I quite see why you couldn't care less whether I end up taking my grandson to an away match, but I am partly using this to illustrate the danger for United if the problem of disorder is allowed to develop. Have a look at the attendances for the 1983-84 season when we got promoted from Div 3 like last season. Crowds of 10,000 regularly for home matches, reaching 20,000 just twice. Do you think United would flourish with crowds like that?
 
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