We can overcome the defeat, but...

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.

 

[Jesus_was_a_Blade]

So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me

Not much to debate or disagree with there. Anyone who does needs to have a long look in the mirror...

 

[SteveBlade]

Basically, some humans are cunts.

At least we aren't all cunts, like seagulls.

 

[Kenilworth]

...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.

As I've not lived in Sheffield for nearly 30 years I would often take Ken Jnr to away games before he fled the nest - geographically nearer to us - to see the Blades as we didn't get to all the home games. I don't think you should let the potential fear ruin such an occasion for you. Seeing the Blades on their travels is a great way to spend a Saturday or a weekday evening. You have to be a little more vigilant and be a bit wise about where to park, walk and go before and after the game but it's no where near as bad as it was during the late 70s and 80s - just nothing like it.

Those stats you alluded to. Is it like one of those where they try to scare people by stating road traffic incidents where they say deaths or serious injury are X and increased by Y%? They couple the two together to make it look worse than it is (of course no one wants a fatality on the roads) but the definition of a serious injury could be a broken leg or arm or rib, which could be as a result of a seat belt restraining someone - it's not a fatality.

People can be arrested for being drunk (as perceived by the officer in attendance) when attempting to enter a football ground. That's not an offence that was enforced until the last few years IIRC. Maybe that has contributed to the figures. My take is that if you believed all the scaremongering from the press and the state then you'd never leave the house. Bird Flu anyone?

Just be your normal sensible self and be observant and you'll be fine. You don't cross the street when there is traffic about without looking do you?

 

[RealMcCoy]

Can't disagree. Deeply worried about this sort of behaviour and concerned about the impact it has on our image as a football club and a set of fans.
I was at boro - missed all the trouble, but will think long and hard about any more away fixtures this season.

 

[SteveBlade]

Disgrace.

 

[broomhillblade]

I don't condone this kind of behaviour in the slightest - but that picture looks posed to me.

Disgrace.

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[SteveBlade]

I don't condone this kind of behaviour in the slightest - but that picture looks posed to me.

Looks legit to me.

 

[I should coco]

I don't condone this kind of behaviour in the slightest - but that picture looks posed to me.

Who'd stand there taking the picture rather than helping the kid up?

"Say Cheese"

 

[bornablade]

I'm of the opinion that if you want trouble at a football match then you'll find it. If you want to avoid trouble then you'll also avoid it.

If you get 'caught up' in trouble then I think you need to look at your own ability to assess a situation and see ahead where trouble might be brewing and respond accordingly. If you don't have this inner 'sat nav' then it's best not to attend certain matches and certainly not take a youngster.

I've been on the Shed end at Chelsea, home end at Milwall, Man City (new ground), Liverpool, Bolton. I've made sure that I've behaved in a way that wouldn't draw attention to myself. Never been a problem.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Who'd stand there taking the picture rather than helping the kid up?

"Say Cheese"

Blades fans, who else.


(Anyone punch him in the kidney and suggest he should just leave err, lie there?)

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Sub human scum. It's disgusting.


That's just how I feel about the wheelchair bound. Sorry but there it is.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Understand the OP views, but you can't go through life worrying about what may happen. You'll end up missing all the good stuff.

Should be no different to anything else be vigilant and pay attention to whats happening and it should be fine.

 

[DronnieBlade]

...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.

It's a shame that the same type of individuals that make the city centre a war zone after midnight at the weekends, tend to tag on to football clubs and football matches on Saturday afternoons.

Alcohol and substance abuse fuels most of it. Not all. Some folks are just plain angry and want a row with the lamp posts !

It's far more of a society issue than it is a football one.

It's just that like minded individuals can find comrades on the terraces / stands.

Football hoolies are nowt new are they ? Doubt it will ever end !!!

UTB

 

[BushBlade]

I'm of the opinion that if you want trouble at a football match then you'll find it. If you want to avoid trouble then you'll also avoid it.

If you get 'caught up' in trouble then I think you need to look at your own ability to assess a situation and see ahead where trouble might be brewing and respond accordingly. If you don't have this inner 'sat nav' then it's best not to attend certain matches and certainly not take a youngster.

I've been on the Shed end at Chelsea, home end at Milwall, Man City (new ground), Liverpool, Bolton. I've made sure that I've behaved in a way that wouldn't draw attention to myself. Never been a problem.

I'm more worried about impending nuclear war with North Korea than I am getting twatted at a game.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sub human scum. It's disgusting.


That's just how I feel about the wheelchair bound. Sorry but there it is.

Coming to the Toby Foster show very soon.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm more worried about impending nuclear war with North Korea than I am getting twatted at a game.

It's always over exaggerated. I remember reading about the Toon Army causing all that devastation in Japan and Indonesia etc. whenever they came to Sheffield, the BBC kicked their arses, no trouble.

 

[coolhandluke]

...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.

Don't let your experiences of away day travel cloud your judgement . Away days now ( and home attendance ) are quite simply nothing like they were way back then . Nowadays you're just as likely to encounter or experience trouble at home on the kop than you are away from home .

 

[BushBlade]

It's always over exaggerated. I remember reading about the Toon Army causing all that devastation in Japan and Indonesia etc. whenever they came to Sheffield, the BBC kicked their arses, no trouble.

The best thing about that joke is that it got Rodney Marsh sacked.

 

[Woodthorpe blade]

Sub human scum. It's disgusting.


That's just how I feel about the wheelchair bound. Sorry but there it is.

Twats the lot of em. Especially that Steven Hawking, with his poncy mid-Atlantic accent .

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

Completely agree with the opening post..

I've taken my 7 year old a few times to watch United, always in the family section, had a go at somebody for swearing, he apologised to be fair and said he doesn't normally sit on there(how did he get a ticket!!), I swear as much as any cunt, but pick my moments!!

the family section towards the away end has some right dickheads on it - and they are supposed to be with a child

I Contemplated taking my son to Cardiff tomorrow, but I'm not.

There should be a section made available at all grounds where families supporting either team can sit safely without listening to the abuse dished out

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Sub human scum. It's disgusting.


That's just how I feel about the wheelchair bound. Sorry but there it is.

Bit harsh on people with disabilities but you certainly leave no margin for being misunderstood .

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Completely agree with the opening post..

I've taken my 7 year old a few times to watch United, always in the family section, had a go at somebody for swearing, he apologised to be fair and said he doesn't normally sit on there(how did he get a ticket!!), I swear as much as any cunt, but pick my moments!!

the family section towards the away end has some right dickheads on it - and they are supposed to be with a child

I Contemplated taking my son to Cardiff tomorrow, but I'm not.

There should be a section made available at all grounds where families supporting either team can sit safely without listening to the abuse dished out

There is. It's called your front room with the tv sound muted.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The best thing about that joke is that it got Rodney Marsh sacked.

Honestly didn't know about that.

 

[BushBlade]

Honestly didn't know about that.

Yeah, more or less. He cracked it on Soccer Saturday just after the event and that was the end of him. Good riddance to the leg breaking twat.

 

[coolhandluke]

...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.

Apologies here Hodgy, I should have enquired in my earlier post . But what have you heard about last season's away support that's given you cause for concern ?

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

There is. It's called your front room with the tv sound muted.

The front room isn't at the ground is it?

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

The front room isn't at the ground is it?

No. And neither is there or ever will be an area where you can't here the industrial language and chants that are part and parcel of football. Rather than try and change that maybe start attending another sport. One where no one swears.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

No. And neither is there or ever will be an area where you can't here the industrial language and chants that are part and parcel of football. Rather than try and change that maybe start attending another sport. One where no one swears.

Why can't there be an area where there is a no swearing policy that's for people who are articulate enough to string a sentence together without the use of swear words?

 

[super_pig]

...it will be more difficult to retrieve the situation arising from reports of trouble at and after the match. Forgive the creation of a new thread, but the others have got overheated, and I would like to start a calmer discussion of where we are by setting out a basic principle. I was not at Boro, and I am not allocating blame, as it often turns out that things were different from how they were reported, but I think we are in the early stages of a potentially damaging development.
Football and United have been important to me since I was a kid. I went all over the country in the lat 50s, 60s, early 70s, watching United, and loved the competitive nature of football, the teamwork, and the sense of belonging to a group. The experience of watching the highs and lows with father, children, grandchildren over the years is something I really value. I stopped going to away matches after a match at Mansfield (late 70s ?), when we were showered with missiles thrown from over a wall which ran down the length of the way out of the away end. My kids were of an age when they would soon be wanting to go to away matches, and I decided the risk and unpleasantness were too great. We continued to go to the Lane, on the Kop, and by avoiding certain routes away from the ground, never felt personally threatened. But for years the experience in my view deteriorated, as crowds decreased enormously. Then things improved, crowds have increased, many more kids are at the Lane, and my grandson recently suggested we go to an away match this season. I began the planning, but the reports from away matches last season and this have made me think I don't feel comfortable exposing a youngster to this kind of situation. If this low-level disorder continues and grows, then the consequences for United will be very negative; we have a chance to further build up our core support, and to throw that chance away would be criminally stupid. So here is my principle: any person should be able to attend a football without fearing for their personal safety. I go on the Kop, we enjoy the boisterous support, so I am not saying we have the right or the wish to enjoy a quiet 90 minutes; but no-one should feel threatened.
So there is my principle: everyone should be able to attend a football match without fearing for their personal safety. Please debate, disagree with me. I would love to hear from people like the now infamous man in the white jumper. Is there something behind those pictures that we don't understand? Is it fake news? If you do not agree with me, why? If you do, how does getting involved with the aggression contribute to other people's right to feel safe? There was a rise in arrests last season for football-related disorder, and that trend deeply troubles me.

there are a lot of young lads from big clubs who have never seens us but know our reputation and they fancy a pop.. it will happen all season .. they were sending twitter messages before the game even started.. slagging us off for only selling 2k tickets to go to exotic boro ( we had more at malaga.. heh)