We are still 4th......

[Deleted member 875]

Well fuck me. I've just read through a few comments about the match last night. young players getting slaughtered because they are going through the sort of blip in form all young kids go through, the manager getting some stick and a special mention goes to the couple of old twats who sit near me on the South Stand who sit there moaning about John Lundstram who is doing a difficult job of replacing the irreplaceable Paul Coutts, and has done a decent job so far. Seems to me like a lot of these so called supporters laying in to the club are the same twats who didn't want to know when we was on our 6 years of purgatory, traipsing round the pub league, and when we did have something to properly moan about. I'd have been happy with 21st this season. We are 4th in the table. Just let that sink in.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

We might be 4th but we are going to get relegated,dark times

 

[snootyfenooty]

I'd have been happy with 21st this season. We are 4th in the table. Just let that sink in.

I tipped top 6 at the start of the season and from what I've seen of la Liga this season that's still a viable option. If 21st had been the target then I wouldn't have even bothered going. Depends on what you deem acceptable I suppose.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I tipped top 6 at the start of the season and from what I've seen of la Liga this season that's still a viable option. If 21st had been the target then I wouldn't have even bothered going. Depends on what you deem acceptable I suppose.

It seems with a lot of people that the aim is to win as many matches as possible, but under no circumstances get promoted to PL as its rubbish.

 

[Tyler Durden]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

I've read plenty of posts praising our attitude of always playing for the win, as indeed seemed to be the philosophy again last night.

It has undoubtedly seemed us well since Wilder took over and it is SO entertaining. But is it viable in the long run?

 

[Worksop II]

It has undoubtedly seemed us well since Wilder took over and it is SO entertaining. But is it viable in the long run?

It bares thinking about, at 1-1 and with ten men, did we really need to risk losing 3 points to a rival ... though probably by attacking we did hold em off for a long time.

Its difficult, I like the win every game attitude .... I just wondered last night if it was the right approach with 10 minutes to go

 

[snootyfenooty]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

One of the serious shortcomings last night was the bizarre substitutions. We started without Coutts, lost Fleck and subbed Duffy, i.e. we had no midfield and ended up with a couple of big lads up front waiting for the hoofball. I was looking for Blackwell on the touchline.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I've read plenty of posts praising our attitude of always playing for the win, as indeed seemed to be the philosophy again last night.

It has undoubtedly seemed us well since Wilder took over and it is SO entertaining. But is it viable in the long run?

Playing for the win is admirable if you're resourceful with your attacking play AND if you can handle what's thrown back at you. The past four games have shown that we are falling way short of those criteria.

 

[Slim Man]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

It’s the same old faces making people sound daft for pointing out we’ve been poor recently, it’s not us as a fan base self destructing we are just disappointed with how we’ve been playing recently when we’ve set a standard for ourselves this season and we’re falling short.

The same old faces can’t seem to handle that. One of them is on this thread already.

 

[Tyler Durden]

One of the serious shortcomings last night was the bizarre substitutions. We started without Coutts, lost Fleck and subbed Duffy, i.e. we had no midfield and ended up with a couple of big lads up front waiting for the hoofball. I was looking for Blackwell on the touchline.

I agree that the substitutions worked against us.
I saw no reason to bring Duffy off for a start and a sub should've been made immediately after Flecks departure. Carruthers for Sharp with Leon as lone striker would still have given us enough firepower given our dominance at that point.

 

[bromtom]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

Exactly. We threw away a point last night against a team we were level on points with. How does that make any sense? Who'd rather be 3 points behind than level?

We're also very unlikely to be 4th by Preston given our luck when it comes to results going for us.

People seem to be happy about a potential slip to mid table, as though we didn't get to the top of the table on merit by being solid at the back and great going forward. Fuck that. We're good enough and showed it for most of the first 20 games. We haven't been good enough recently.

Last night could have been a good platform to build from. Good performance and a point against 3rd, but we threw it away with a rush of blood to the head substitutions. Now the monkey on our back has turned into a fucking gorilla and we've got two hard games coming up without Fleck. That Gorilla might be the entire primate cast of planet of the apes on our back by the end of those two haha

 

[Bladesman]

We were always going to have a blip. Our players were not all going to stay fit and suspension free all season.

Look at the injuries we have had and got:

Freeman
Baldock (on and off injured)
Evans
Lavery
Coutts
Stearman (out for most of the season up to now)
Moore (injured at the start of the season)
Wright (can't seem to play every match)

Thats a fair chunk of the squad because 4 or 5 of those are first names on the teamsheet if fit.

We are thin on the ground and it will be interesting to see if Wilder has more than a tenner to spend in January.

 

[Roygbiv]

We didn't do enough against Birmingham to win and we deserved to lose to Fulham and Millwall but I really don't think you can seriously say we were anything but really good last night. We were as good as we have been all season and made a top 6 side look like totally inferior.

I think there was much criticism to be laid at the door of the team in the 3 before but last night was a fluke game if ever I saw one.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

I'm a bit torn on this one myself, it was fantastic to see Tufty still going for it last night but there comes a time when you have to protect what you've got. It's worked at Leeds and others this season, it hasn't worked recently so it's probably just swings and roundabouts but what I am happy with is the attitude and application of the management and players as that certainly wasn't lacking again last night.

Still early days, and we're now missing key players but let's just see how it goes, no panicking yet from me

 

[Tyler Durden]

I'm a bit torn on this one myself, it was fantastic to see Tufty still going for it last night but there comes a time when you have to protect what you've got. It's worked at Leeds and others this season, it hasn't worked recently so it's probably just swings and roundabouts but what I am happy with is the attitude and application of the management and players as that certainly wasn't lacking again last night.

Still early days, and we're now missing key players but let's just see how it goes, no panicking yet from me

We seem to have a reverse of the Clough era.
He was content to play out draws when we could've put the contest out of sight, whereas now we have Wilder (with the best of intentions) going top heavy against teams that can very easily punish us.

As with many things, the answer lies in between.

 

[zablade]

There are a Lot of people here seem to be dancing through the tulips sing “La la la”.. well forgive me for not partaking at this particular moment, maybe it’s because..

We are now without both our best midfielders for the next three games

We have taken 1 point from the last 12 available (likely to be 1 from 18 by Xmas)

We Haven’t kept a clean sheet for over two months.

But of course none of this matters as “we have a manager who likes to go for it” and are very entertaining for neutrals watching on Sky.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

There are a Lot of people here seem to be dancing through the tulips sing “La la la”.. well forgive me for not partaking at this particular moment, maybe it’s because..

We are now without both our best midfielders for the next three games

We have taken 1 point from the last 12 available (likely to be 1 from 18 by Xmas)

We Haven’t kept a clean sheet for over two months.

But of course none of this matters as “we have a manager who likes to go for it” and are very entertaining for neutrals watching on Sky.

You're a Wilder hater,you will have enjoyed the last 4 games

 

[bromtom]

I'm a bit torn on this one myself, it was fantastic to see Tufty still going for it last night but there comes a time when you have to protect what you've got. It's worked at Leeds and others this season, it hasn't worked recently so it's probably just swings and roundabouts but what I am happy with is the attitude and application of the management and players as that certainly wasn't lacking again last night.

Still early days, and we're now missing key players but let's just see how it goes, no panicking yet from me

He's said expectations change in interviews, and for me that includes perhaps not risking the baby going with the bath water when playing your direct rivals. If we were 13th playing 11th, why not go for it. Or if we've got nice buffers to teams around us, but last night was a prime chance to get a good point to keep us solidly around the playoffs and not lose any ground on Bristol.

What he did at Leeds was nothing like what he did last night. Leeds was positive subs, Brooks for Sharp, Lundstram for Duffy I think. Last night was mental in comparison and pretty uncalled for from the way we were playing.

 

[zablade]

You're a Wilder hater,you will have enjoyed the last 4 games

Nonsense.

 

[Slim Man]

You're a Wilder hater,you will have enjoyed the last 4 games

You’re a very childish man

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Nonsense.

I read your posts,you can't wait to stick the knife in,every opportunity you get

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

There are a Lot of people here seem to be dancing through the tulips sing “La la la”.. well forgive me for not partaking at this particular moment, maybe it’s because..

We are now without both our best midfielders for the next three games

We have taken 1 point from the last 12 available (likely to be 1 from 18 by Xmas)

We Haven’t kept a clean sheet for over two months.

But of course none of this matters as “we have a manager who likes to go for it” and are very entertaining for neutrals watching on Sky.

 

[Harry's Game]

The issue that is effecting us at the moment is the small squad.

We had a great run last season with the lack of Injuries and suspensions, this year we have been unfortunate that they have hit all at once and also that we didn’t strengthen sufficiently in The last window. (Who’s fault that was is another debate entirely)

It’s not all roses or all doom and gloom, it may be difficult at Preston and Villa, but we should have enough to beat Sunderland and Fleck will be back for the Bolton game. That would be another six points and then the JTW will have arrived where hopefully we can address any problems.

Wilder is still doing an outstanding job.

 

[cooperblade]

Love how black and white football is for some people.

We have no idea whatsoever what would've happened with different substitutions.

Maybe we stick a midfielder on for Sharp straight away and Bristol take the initiative much quicker than they were able to and it finishes 1-4?

Isn't it more accurate to say that Wilder's substitutions would likely have meant us getting a point other than the official missing a high boot and Stearman making a poor, individual mistake?

 

[Roygbiv]

The issue that is effecting us at the moment is the small squad.

We had a great run last season with the lack of Injuries and suspensions, this year we have been unfortunate that they have hit all at once and also that we didn’t strengthen sufficiently in The last window. (Who’s fault that was is another debate entirely)

It’s not all roses or all doom and gloom, it may be difficult at Preston and Villa, but we should have enough to beat Sunderland and Fleck will be back for the Bolton game. That would be another six points and then the JTW will have arrived where hopefully we can address any problems.

Wilder is still doing an outstanding job.

Interesting to read where we all thought we would finish after the close of the window

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/poll-post-transfer-window-expectations.57613/

 

[zablade]

I read your posts,you can't wait to stick the knife in,every opportunity you get

Then you will have noticed that after the scepticism of the initial appointment I have had nothing but praise for the man.

However he isn’t Jesus Christ, he is not infallible and when he has made mistakes like against Fulham and Bristol I don’t believe in blindly ignoring the fact.

 

[Tunstall Fred]

Then you will have noticed that after the scepticism of the initial appointment I have had nothing but praise for the man.

However he isn’t Jesus Christ, he is not infallible and when he has made a mistakes like against Fulham and Bristol I don’t believe in blindly ignoring the fact.

Thank you for just confirming what I wrote in my post,you will be one of the very first to be calling for his head

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

4th we may very well be, it doesn't however excuse the Owlstalk-esque adulation I've seen on here for the past four matches in spite of the facts bearing out some serious shortcomings.

Fulham wasn't "a brave fightback", Millwall wasn't "a bad day at the office" and Bristol City wasn't "bad luck". We lost those matches for solid and tangible reasons and that must be rectified.

Six years in the 3rd division and suddenly we've adopted a "we're little old Sheffield United and we're just glad to be here" mentality.

Well I certainly haven't. We've set a standard and that standard must be adhered to.

A bit harsh on the Bristol City match. Before Fleck was sent off, we had scored one and hit the woodwork 4 times. I know luck is an elusive concept, but I can't see what more Sharp and Duffy could have done to put us several goals up. If we repeat the standards of the first 60 minutes for the rest of the season, we will win most games. Last night was...unlucky?

 

[zablade]

Thank you for just confirming what I wrote in my post,you will be one of the very first to be calling for his head

Take a tablet and go and have lie down for a couple of hours. Come back when you able to take part in a sensible debate and have learned to read English.

“Calling for his head” jeeeez.