Was our second offside?

[CPB]

Over the season there are a number of bad decisions which may affect results. The QPR game at home Sande was hauled down in the penalty area and then out injured for several weeks. No pen given So we lose 1-0. That went against us. There are many other examples. Last night decision went for us. That’s football without VAR.

This crossed my mind too.

He's deffo offside.

Thing is you don't know how games will pan out but the impression I was getting from the team was they were gonna keep pushing for a goal and we were mostly on top till then 2nd half. Watching us last night I had more confidence we would create some chances and whilst we didn't create loads, we looked alot brighter than last Sat.

 

[Wapping Blade]

Offside but 100% a peno anyway as Egan was getting the shirt pulled off him

I was going to point that out too, never mentioned by Twatman.

 

[jt64]

This is where football has gone badly wrong. People seriously arguing it would be right to disallow a world-class goal, because a player who didn't get a touch, who didn't influence the outcome, moved a split second too soon?
You've had your heads boiled by too many wank pundits

Do you not think that if Sander had been sent off five minutes earlier for being shit at heading or something that the keeper might, just might, have dived?

 

[RammyBlade]

Offside but 100% a peno anyway as Egan was getting the shirt pulled off him

Yes I thought that as well but looking at the sky reports none of them mentioned that - they just go on about the fucking offside !!

 

[petcharlie]

Yes I thought that as well but looking at the sky reports none of them mentioned that - they just go on about the fucking offside !!

My God i can not remember a wrong off side decision causing so much discussion .Wrong decisions happen to us all the bloody time ,as done for years and years . Never much said we just get on with it . Can not remember us getting a crap decision in our favour for ages .My God we are owed a few .

 

[Bladeloyal]

Just to point out being stood in a offside position doesn't make you offside .ball went straight in . Goal

 

[Lord Eddard Muir]

Looking forward to Mowbray's touchline ban and large fine. Pretty sure you can't just come out and call a referee incompetent, even if he's just admitted it and apologised. This is much more petulant than anything Sharp said after Wrexham.

"Between the two of them, I think the linesman and the referee got it badly wrong and, ultimately, cost us points.

"I have been in football since I left school 43 years ago and that is offside. Is that right that an offside goal is allowed because the referee is incompetent and the linesman's communication is really poor.

"It shouldn't happen, yet some guy in a blue suit allowed a goal to stand which should not have stood and we have to suffer the consequences of it.

"Goals are what football is all about and you have to get those right. The incompetence of it is why you have VAR around the world and so they don't feel they need to make decisions and some guy can watch a replay as I have done and says 'that's offside'.

"If there had been VAR I don't think there would have been one per cent that would have said that's not an offside goal."

 

[Not_a_Cheat]

If it'd been given offside there would 10 pages by now arguing it wasn't, and should have been given. In my opinion, as one poster said, Berge was so late in even lifting his leg and the ball was past him and practically in the goal. So no offside. However in this case, because of Don Goodman, I say definitely offside and should have been booked pmsl

 

[Bladeloyal]

An attacker in an offside position (A), not interfering with an opponent, does not touche the ball. The player cannot be penalised because he did not touch the ball.

 

[jt64]

An attacker in an offside position (A), not interfering with an opponent, does not touche the ball. The player cannot be penalised because he did not touch the ball.

So the keeper is just supposed to assume that Berge isn't going to touch it? Or has Berge's attempt to touch the ball, shall we say, interfered with his decision making?

 

[Stu_Blade]

The only part of Berge that could have been in an offside position looking at the only 1 freeze frame is his head however in the split second of him running in to the defenders and back to the goal line near on impossible for the lino to spot that. Egan was definitely in an offside position but not interfering as trying to keep his shirt on!

 

[Stu_Blade]

So the keeper is just supposed to assume that Berge isn't going to touch it? Or has Berge's attempt to touch the ball, shall we say, interfered with his decision making?

If you play at the ball which Berge did and in an offside position he should have been flagged for offside. I genuinely think the lino didn't think he was in an offside position. Hands and arms don't count, head does. Camera not in line with where the lino would be standing which would be somewhere in line with Sunderland's number 11

 

[Badger Blade]

If you play at the ball which Berge did and in an offside position he should have been flagged for offside. I genuinely think the lino didn't think he was in an offside position. Hands and arms don't count, head does. Camera not in line with where the lino would be standing which would be somewhere in line with Sunderland's number 11

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All well and good from an elevated camera angle showing that Berge is offside (which he was) but looking at this from the lino's perspective at touchline level can he even see Berge with Egan there and the two Sunderland defenders at the point the ball was played?

Maybe he can see some black shorts somewhere through the melee but he's buggered if he knows in a split second whose they are.

Either way, we got away with it and if we go up by 2 points, we know who to thank!

 

[JohnDenver]

This. Referee made plenty of bad decisions last night. He gave our lads yellow cards for pulling players back 80 yards from goal, but Illy was taken out half a dozen times after wriggling free with no card and their no5 was clinging on to Jebbo like a jilted ex. The foul was aggressive, nowhere near the ball and knee height. Clear red.

I was sat calmly eating my tea when that foul had me off the sofa and swearing at the tele. Bits of casserole spraying all over.

Measured by the amount of food on the carpet, it has to be a red.

 

[Blade.com]

Offside but 100% a peno anyway as Egan was getting the shirt pulled off him

How would VAR deal with that?. or would they just ignore his shirt getting ripped off his back. Would have been interesting to see what decision the Pot Knobs behind the screens would have done.

 

[ashsufc1889]

3rd option please......HAHAHAHAHA Don't fucking care, fuck you Goodman you whinging little cunt.

 

[AWetFlannel]

An attacker in an offside position (A), not interfering with an opponent, does not touche the ball. The player cannot be penalised because he did not touch the ball.

But he does interfere with an opponent. The keeper dives if Berge isn't there.

 

[espoo blade]

Not sure what you point is.

It's not open to discussion or opinion. You can clearly see on the reply that if VAR was in the Championship, the goal would have been disallowed.
However on the night Sheff United were definitely the better team and deserved to win.

What people don't seem to realise is that goals change games.
Let's imagine the goal was disallowed, then it would have remained 1-1.
This means United would have still been pushing forward, taking risks, creating chances, so it's likely we'd have still won 2-1 anyway.

How about the recent case of Man U's goal where Rashford was clearly offside, ran next to the ball (albeit not actually touching it) before Fernandes coming from an onside position stroked it into the bottom corner. That was clearly a case where the offside player's actions influenced the opposition players...but VAR did not overturn it?

 

[Houston_Blade]

How about the recent case of Man U's goal where Rashford was clearly offside, ran next to the ball (albeit not actually touching it) before Fernandes coming from an onside position stroked it into the bottom corner. That was clearly a case where the offside player's actions influenced the opposition players...but VAR did not overturn it?

There are different rules for top clubs than there are for the rest. Simple explanation!

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

How about the recent case of Man U's goal where Rashford was clearly offside, ran next to the ball (albeit not actually touching it) before Fernandes coming from an onside position stroked it into the bottom corner. That was clearly a case where the offside player's actions influenced the opposition players...but VAR did not overturn it?

Because VAR is humans, and humans interpret the rules differently.

 

[MMBUTB]

Who actually cares.

 

[Selly]

How would VAR deal with that?. or would they just ignore his shirt getting ripped off his back. Would have been interesting to see what decision the Pot Knobs behind the screens would have done.

How would it have dealt with it? probably ruled out the goal.

How should it have dealt with it - the shirt pulling occurs before the offside - Berge isn`t offside until he "attempts" to play the ball - ergo it should be a penalty

 

[Charlieblade]

It doesn’t matter now. Check the results and the league table.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Yes, but fucking cares. We’ve had a damn sight worse happen to us.

 

[Silent Blade]

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[Silent Blade]

Remember standing on the kop when that cnut played for bradford and headed a ball over benstead and it bounced then went over the bar...cue wanker signs to the big boofheaded cnut.

He may have been playing for WBA at the time but, yes, I was standing on the Kop and remember the incident. He got to the ball just before the keeper and flicked a header which bounced about 6 yards from an unguarded net and then somehow trampolined over the crossbar.

Flashing Blade referred thereafter to “Don Goodman’s divot”…

It was WBA and our keeper was Tracey

See 35 mins 30 secs

 

[fifty shades of blade]

It was WBA and our keeper was Tracey

See 35 mins 30 secs

Yeah! So long ago, I was going on memory!!

 

[10-0 win]

Offside no doubt,without Berge it would be an easy save. Ugly goals sometimes look fine.

 

[Sheff de party]

True. But you do sound a bit pissed off and it was seemingly the first thing you went on about (even starting a thread about it) after a great win. Personally, I am too pleased atm about the result to give a rats fuck whether it was offside or not. Like i said, why don't you just enjoy the result without trying to find issues around whether it was offside or not? It wasn't cos it was given. The record books say 2-1 to the Blades.

Why are you on page 3 of a thread about something you don’t “give a rats fuck” about?

 

[Rufus Smalls]

There are different rules for top clubs than there are for the rest. Simple explanation!

True. In the Rashford incident VAR had to apply the ‘small print’ ……. “Don’t upset the big boys”