Warnock on Talksport

[Billyblade]

Neil Warnock is no more of a Blade than my desk. (Other inanimate and irrelevant objects can be substituted in here - possibly with only 25 seconds to go)

Why do people continue to be surprised by this?

 

[Maidenhead]

I loved the Warnock years.

We had a team with good quality that worked their backsides off, and they were much better to watch than the turgid stuff Wilder and Heckingbottom,s teams have been serving up for the last few years.

I never thought of Warnock as anything but a bit of a clown, but he was our clown and generally speaking I agreed with most of his opinions when he expressed them in the media.

There is no doubt that he has an ego the size of an elephant and in my mind he's never been a very nice person as it's always been all about him, however, I could say exactly the same about Wilder as I think that the two of em are cut from exactly the same cloth.

I honestly feel that Neil is not well and shouldn't still be doing the media rounds.

I think his recent appearances have shown real signs of significant cognitive difficulties and the media are exploiting this for "entertainment" purposes, whilst potentially causing him further harm.

It's time for him to retire and enjoy the memories he has, and for the media to stop wheeling him out as the circus freak.

 

[Sheffsteel]

His interview on sky with Pep was interesting.

He was basically trying to get Pep to agree with him that a winning team is built on a top dressing room, good man management & players working harder than the opposition.

Pep disagreed and said he’s not good at man management - it’s tactical and top players that’s the difference. It showed how the game has moved on.

Warnock knew he couldn’t challenge Pep’s view. It’s a bit different gaining a few promotions over winning every competition in the world

That’s an interesting difference.

Warnock and I believe Wilder is similar….is that they can motivate making average players play above their level.
Pep is all about being a tactical obsessive.

Basically give Warnock and Wilder poor players and they’ll get a tune out of them playing well above their level.
Both were/ are great in the lower divisions. People say Pep is a fantastic manager but I don’t think Pep could do this.
I’m convinced Pep in the lower divisions would be a failure.

However give Pep top class players and he’ll be a success coming up with a world beating team.
Give Warnock and Wilder top class players (especially foreign players who don’t like being shouted at) and they’d struggle.

So it shows when people say “best manager”, it depends on definition.

For any younger fans…..Warnock created an us against the world mentality….he was really good at United.
However he did receive plenty of stick from Blades and I’d say wasn’t as well Iiked as Wilder amongst the fanbase.
It’s because Warnock was a terrible loser. He could use terrible tactics that failed but he always had an excuse after a defeat.
Unlike Basset who regularly blamed himself when he’d made a tactical mistake. Warnock always blamed the ref, the linesman, the weather, the pitch.
Fantastic character though, his pre and post match interviews were never boring and he was very brave with his substitutions.

 

[Maidenhead]

That’s an interesting difference.

Warnock and I believe Wilder is similar….is that they can motivate making average players play above their level.
Pep is all about being a tactical obsessive.

Basically give Warnock and Wilder poor players and they’ll get a tune out of them playing well above their level.
Both were/ are great in the lower divisions. People say Pep is a fantastic manager but I don’t think Pep could do this.
I’m convinced Pep in the lower divisions would be a failure.

However give Pep top class players and he’ll be a success coming up with a world beating team.
Give Warnock and Wilder top class players (especially foreign players who don’t like being shouted at) and they’d struggle.

So it shows when people say “best manager”, it depends on definition.

It's amazing how often the "best" manager is the one with the "best" players

 

[Sheffsteel]

It's amazing how often the "best" manager is the one with the "best" players

Very much agree….thats why I’ve never been completely convinced when the media always rave about Pep being the greatest manager the world has ever seen.
In many ways I think Warnocks record is much more impressive…..going to clubs in relegation danger and always keeping them up.
Warnock has done it….gained promotion and gone to struggling teams to save them….at so many clubs. There’s no way Pep could do that.

Still think what Clough did at Forest….taking an average Champiomship team and not just turning them into domestic Champions
But quickly turning that Championship team into Champions of Europe not just once…but doing it twice……is the greatest ever achievement in management.

Daft as it sounds I also think the Wilder spell taking a club bottom of league 1 to challenging for a Champions league spot with little money
Is also one of the greatest feats in football management. The Bassett team was beating teams like Spurs and Arsenal by outworking them playing long ball high tempo football. However the Wilder team was going away to Arsenal and Spurs and out footballing them with average players…that is unbelievable really…..I even remember that team away at Pep’s Man City and we matched them with John Fleck being the best player on the pitch..how is that possible? Ha ha.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

You almost can't compare the two though because they've got such different remits. Both are correct in their own way. For Warnock the man management and team spirit were vital, as they are for Wilder and managers of the lesser PL clubs but recruitment is probably the most important element for any club. For Pep buying the best players they can is their remit and developing youth players to sell on to stay the right side of the PL rules. Ironic I know for city.

I think what it showed for me is that you can probably see why there’s not as many upsets in the league above anymore.

The teams that come up tend to go back down regardless of how ‘up for it’ the players feel or loved by the manager.

Its squad quality & tactics are what’s winning games at the top level these days.

 

[GymClassHero]

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I don't really pay much attention to any of the nonsense he comes out with these days. Don't particularly like or dislike him, though I will say he doesn't half make a fool of himself times!

That said, he was the manager for my first ever Blades game (WBA 01/02) and gave me some absolutely fantastic memories, especially that 'triple assault (02/03) season, and the promotion season. As a kid a season of football is a lifetime, not living in Sheffield all the other lads supported Man Utd, Arsenal etc and I just dreamt that the Blades would one day get there. Warnock made that dream come true so I'll always be grateful for that.

That 06/07 season was my first season ticket and, despite the relegation, I've got so many great memories of it. With Warnock you did always feel you had a chance, no matter who you were playing and his teams would never throw the towel in.

 

[ATL Recs]

I think he's bitter that both Bassett and Wilder are thought of much more fondly than he is.

Many of us will never forgive him for the wage wrangling and speculation that he was leaving for Pompey tje 'Tevez season' that we got relegated

Was the season before when we got a thumping at Leicester 4-1 that the Pompey thing was on going

 

[SE1Blade]

Dave Bassett taking Wimbledon from non-league to finishing 6th in the the top flight and Cup Winners (though he had left by then) with zero money and bringing through players like Wise, Beasant, Gage, Winterburn, Jones, Hodges, Gayle etc in the process is the greatest football management achievement.

The fact he then repeated it with us by getting us promoted from 3rd tier to top tier in successive seasons, again with no money, just proves how he should be regarded as one of the best ever managers.

The fact he isn’t is just evidence of the big club ‘play the right way’ centric media of today.

 

[Whiston Blade]

I don't mind Warnock but really don't pay much attention to what he has to say. Every club he's been at has had the best set of players/fans he's worked with etc..

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

His biggest regret is probably that he didn't get to manage Wednesday.

How come?

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I don't mind Warnock but really don't pay much attention to what he has to say. Every club he's been at has had the best set of players/fans he's worked with etc..

The amount of kits young William must've turned up to PE lessons in, in his school days.

 

[N20 Blade]

I loved the Warnock years.

We had a team with good quality that worked their backsides off, and they were much better to watch than the turgid stuff Wilder and Heckingbottom,s teams have been serving up for the last few years.

I never thought of Warnock as anything but a bit of a clown, but he was our clown and generally speaking I agreed with most of his opinions when he expressed them in the media.

There is no doubt that he has an ego the size of an elephant and in my mind he's never been a very nice person as it's always been all about him, however, I could say exactly the same about Wilder as I think that the two of em are cut from exactly the same cloth.

I honestly feel that Neil is not well and shouldn't still be doing the media rounds.

I think his recent appearances have shown real signs of significant cognitive difficulties and the media are exploiting this for "entertainment" purposes, whilst potentially causing him further harm.

It's time for him to retire and enjoy the memories he has, and for the media to stop wheeling him out as the circus freak.

Sad but true, he's become a parody of himself I'm afraid, a bit like Clough in his latter years (clearly different causes). His old eccentricities are even more pronounced now, both mentally and physically, no doubt at the encouragement of the producers too to gain some exposure.

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

I loved the Warnock years.

We had a team with good quality that worked their backsides off, and they were much better to watch than the turgid stuff Wilder and Heckingbottom,s teams have been serving up for the last few years.

I never thought of Warnock as anything but a bit of a clown, but he was our clown and generally speaking I agreed with most of his opinions when he expressed them in the media.

There is no doubt that he has an ego the size of an elephant and in my mind he's never been a very nice person as it's always been all about him, however, I could say exactly the same about Wilder as I think that the two of em are cut from exactly the same cloth.

I honestly feel that Neil is not well and shouldn't still be doing the media rounds.

I think his recent appearances have shown real signs of significant cognitive difficulties and the media are exploiting this for "entertainment" purposes, whilst potentially causing him further harm.

It's time for him to retire and enjoy the memories he has, and for the media to stop wheeling him out as the circus freak.

Not sure that’s particularly accurate. Warnock’s early teams were functional attritional & one dimensional (by necessity ?) Subsequently developed a far more pleasing style with the addition of (better) quality players (footballers)
In many ways the obverse of Wilders tenure(s) (for the same pragmatic / financial) reasons His initial (3)?seasons were the best football we’d played since (70-) 75 , with Spackman’s side an honourable ‘runner-up’

 

[Maidenhead]

Not sure that’s particularly accurate. Warnock’s early teams were functional attritional & one dimensional (by necessity ?) Subsequently developed a far more pleasing style with the addition of (better) quality players (footballers)
In many ways the obverse of Wilders tenure(s) (for the same pragmatic / financial) reasons His initial (3)?seasons were the best football we’d played since (70-) 75 , with Spackman’s side an honourable ‘runner-up’

Warnock's teams used to get the ball forward quickly and into the box early, creating goalmouth action and plenty of excitement.

I see nothing exciting, or pleasing, in watching a team passing the ball around thirty times to try and work an opening before miss directing a pass to give the opposition their thirty attempts to do the same.

Give me exciting, one dimensional hoofball anytime.

Games are decided by what happens in both boxes, not in the middle third.

 

[Dkc]

How many Warnock threads do we need? There must be hundreds of them, and it's normally the same comments:

"Never been a Blade...."
He gave us some great times, his teams never gave up"
"All Warnock cares about is himself"
"Flirted with Pompey when he should have been concentrating on our relegation scrap"
"Dodgy last minute subs"
"He calls us 'Sheffield'"

etc etc

 

[Maidenhead]

How many Warnock threads do we need? There must be hundreds of them, and it's normally the same comments:

"Never been a Blade...."
He gave us some great times, his teams never gave up"
"All Warnock cares about is himself"
"Flirted with Pompey when he should have been concentrating on our relegation scrap"
"Dodgy last minute subs"
"He calls us 'Sheffield'"

etc etc

Miserable bugger

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

Warnock's teams used to get the ball forward quickly and into the box early, creating goalmouth action and plenty of excitement.

I see nothing exciting, or pleasing, in watching a team passing the ball around thirty times to try and work an opening before miss directing a pass to give the opposition their thirty attempts to do the same.

Give me exciting, one dimensional hoofball anytime.

Games are decided by what happens in both boxes, not in the middle third.

Don’t (didn’t) necessarily disagree with that although I’d (still) suggest Wilder’s teams (2016-19) were “exciting” whilst playing (extremely) entertaining ‘football’ with outstanding performers plying their trade in the “middle third” :- Duffy Fleck Coutts/Norwood, supplemented by O’Connell, Basham, Stevens, Freeman.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Warnock's teams used to get the ball forward quickly and into the box early, creating goalmouth action and plenty of excitement.

I see nothing exciting, or pleasing, in watching a team passing the ball around thirty times to try and work an opening before miss directing a pass to give the opposition their thirty attempts to do the same.

Give me exciting, one dimensional hoofball anytime.

Games are decided by what happens in both boxes, not in the middle third.

Agree…..Warnocks style wasn’t exactly cultured but was exciting….in fact had similarities to Bassetts style.
Not exactly great football, for anyone young quite similar to Millwall or Luton (when they were promoted) in the Championship
but quite entertaining because there was plenty of action in the box.

We swapped over to Robson who initially played a controlling Swansea/ Norwich….slow keep possession style.
It was a massive culture shock because altho we were controlling games there was hardly any goal action at either end.

Robson eventually started playing more long ball and the team became stuck in between styles…and we struggled.

In comes Blackwell and he instantly reverts back to Warnock…..fast tempo…gerrit int box style.
And we instantly started climbing the table and made the play-offs.

The problem with the long ball style is when it works….its an effective style to win matches
But when passes start going astray and a team loses confidence….then the Blackwell style looks horrendous league 1 standard.

Style of play is an interesting one because when Swansea came to the Lane they gave us a footballing lesson in keep possession pass and move football.
I was so impressed, they played a bit like Pep’s Man City, then I realised they were so busy passing it around the centre circle they weren’t creating any chances.
The weird thing is they didn’t even seem bothered about creating chances. I don’t know how Swansea fans could have accepted that display.
Football is about trying to score and winning games, not tippy tippy sideways football.

 

[Maidenhead]

Don’t (didn’t) necessarily disagree with that although I’d (still) suggest Wilder’s teams (2016-19) were “exciting” whilst playing (extremely) entertaining ‘football’ with outstanding performers plying their trade in the “middle third” :- Duffy Fleck Coutts/Norwood, supplemented by O’Connell, Basham, Stevens, Freeman.

I wouldn't argue with that either

 

[diode_blade]

He's just a tractor driver....he always bigs up the oppo....cause he's not in charge at lane anymore.
Credit where credit is due though, had some good times under him.
It is amusing some of the stuff he comes out with now.
Sky presenters should ask him what he thinks about Clarksons Farm....

 

[Shadota]

What is wrong with him?…….kept referring to us “Sheffield”, does he do it deliberately?
Notice how since he left us….he always seems to be subtlety bitter about us (his boyhood club)….and he praises other clubs more.

Spent 2 minutes raving about how much he likes and rates Farke…..not one mention of Chris Wilder.
Went on about Leeds being a massive club who should be in the PL but will find it tough if they go up.
Said Sheffield have loads of top players for the Championship but doesn’t think many of them of PL standard so it would be really tough next season.
However he did rave in about Michael Cooper, saying he knows him very well due to his links at Plymouth and he says he’ll go to the top.
He quoted Brian Clough, saying a good goalie wins you 10 to 12 extra points per season, said it’s such an important position.

He never gave Sunderland a chance of promotion due them being too young and inexperienced, he always classed it as a 3 horse race.
Joked if Burnley score a goal then the fans may as well go home because Burnley have won.

Regards tonight’s match he said people are so passionate about football in these parts…..said it’s incredible
He actually said the stadium will be full and rocking 1 hour before kick-off…..what is he on about?….it’s Sheffield not Istanbul.
Ally McCoist said he’s looking forward to sampling the atmosphere.

I'm so tired of him at this point. He might make the odd point here and there which is at least broadly on point, but he is absolutely only showing up on TV/radio spots, because he knows he will have people listening to him.

I reckon that's all he cares about nowadays. Not his managerial achievements or anything - just the knowledge that if he talks, people will listen. Which makes sense when you consider he's gone on Talksport. That station is the home of gobshite ex-players and managers, so he must fit right in.

I'm assuming he'll be on Sky tonight too. Which makes not watching incredibly tempting, because he's so utterly worthless as a pundit. He doesn't talk about the game, instead just rambles on about himself or some other irrelevant topic.

 

[Dkc]

I'm so tired of him at this point. He might make the odd point here and there which is at least broadly on point, but he is absolutely only showing up on TV/radio spots, because he knows he will have people listening to him.

I reckon that's all he cares about nowadays. Not his managerial achievements or anything - just the knowledge that if he talks, people will listen. Which makes sense when you consider he's gone on Talksport. That station is the home of gobshite ex-players and managers, so he must fit right in.

I'm assuming he'll be on Sky tonight too. Which makes not watching incredibly tempting, because he's so utterly worthless as a pundit. He doesn't talk about the game, instead just rambles on about himself or some other irrelevant topic.

Nailed on he'll be a pundit on Sky tonight as he managed both clubs and is a Blades fan (disputed by some). He'll rave about Michael Cooper again and point out he recommended him to about ten clubs. He'll say how wonderful Leeds are, and call them a massive club. He won't have any kind words for Wilder again and call us 'Sheffield' again. Then later there'll be yet anothed thread slagging off Warnock on here.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Very much agree….thats why I’ve never been completely convinced when the media always rave about Pep being the greatest manager the world has ever seen.
In many ways I think Warnocks record is much more impressive…..going to clubs in relegation danger and always keeping them up.
Warnock has done it….gained promotion and gone to struggling teams to save them….at so many clubs. There’s no way Pep could do that.

Still think what Clough did at Forest….taking an average Champiomship team and not just turning them into domestic Champions
But quickly turning that Championship team into Champions of Europe not just once…but doing it twice……is the greatest ever achievement in management.

Daft as it sounds I also think the Wilder spell taking a club bottom of league 1 to challenging for a Champions league spot with little money
Is also one of the greatest feats in football management. The Bassett team was beating teams like Spurs and Arsenal by outworking them playing long ball high tempo football. However the Wilder team was going away to Arsenal and Spurs and out footballing them with average players…that is unbelievable really…..I even remember that team away at Pep’s Man City and we matched them with John Fleck being the best player on the pitch..how is that possible? Ha ha.

“In many ways I think Warnocks record is much more impressive…”


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[Loco Blade]

Warnock

 

[crazyblade1889]

Very much agree….thats why I’ve never been completely convinced when the media always rave about Pep being the greatest manager the world has ever seen.
In many ways I think Warnocks record is much more impressive…..going to clubs in relegation danger and always keeping them up.
Warnock has done it….gained promotion and gone to struggling teams to save them….at so many clubs. There’s no way Pep could do that.

Still think what Clough did at Forest….taking an average Champiomship team and not just turning them into domestic Champions
But quickly turning that Championship team into Champions of Europe not just once…but doing it twice……is the greatest ever achievement in management.

Daft as it sounds I also think the Wilder spell taking a club bottom of league 1 to challenging for a Champions league spot with little money
Is also one of the greatest feats in football management. The Bassett team was beating teams like Spurs and Arsenal by outworking them playing long ball high tempo football. However the Wilder team was going away to Arsenal and Spurs and out footballing them with average players…that is unbelievable really…..I even remember that team away at Pep’s Man City and we matched them with John Fleck being the best player on the pitch..how is that possible? Ha ha.

Wilder did well with that team and it was great to watch for a couple of seasons but the better managers are able to change things when they stop working. While plan A worked Wilder looked like a fantastic manager but he had no plan B and you can’t talk about that first season in the prem without talking about that second season and the amount of money that was spent to build that side. He then stunk the place out at Boro and Watford before returning with his tail between his legs.
He’s done better this season than I expected but the football has been dire.
Warnock has largely done it everywhere he’s been and his successes largely came away from the Lane. He’s loved at Palace, Cardiff, QPR, Boro etc for the jobs he did there

 

[Loco Blade]

Should have got Sean Bean on with him after a trip to spoons . Better than that boxing shite Saturday

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

……
I'm assuming he'll be on Sky tonight too. Which makes not watching incredibly tempting, because he's so utterly worthless as a pundit. He doesn't talk about the game, instead just rambles on about himself or some other irrelevant topic.

Or:-

 

[Cheeky Blade]

That’s an interesting difference.

Warnock and I believe Wilder is similar….is that they can motivate making average players play above their level.
Pep is all about being a tactical obsessive.

Basically give Warnock and Wilder poor players and they’ll get a tune out of them playing well above their level.
Both were/ are great in the lower divisions. People say Pep is a fantastic manager but I don’t think Pep could do this.
I’m convinced Pep in the lower divisions would be a failure.

However give Pep top class players and he’ll be a success coming up with a world beating team.
Give Warnock and Wilder top class players (especially foreign players who don’t like being shouted at) and they’d struggle.

So it shows when people say “best manager”, it depends on definition.

For any younger fans…..Warnock created an us against the world mentality….he was really good at United.
However he did receive plenty of stick from Blades and I’d say wasn’t as well Iiked as Wilder amongst the fanbase.
It’s because Warnock was a terrible loser. He could use terrible tactics that failed but he always had an excuse after a defeat.
Unlike Basset who regularly blamed himself when he’d made a tactical mistake. Warnock always blamed the ref, the linesman, the weather, the pitch.
Fantastic character though, his pre and post match interviews were never boring and he was very brave with his substitutions.

I’d add to that Warnock struggled a good few years until McCabe stumped up a bit more cash to get us up.

I wouldn’t put him anywhere near the same bracket as Bassett on any level.

 

[mattbianco1]

It's far better to just adopt the position that Colin is a Gene Hunt.

I think you're confusing Warnock with Alan!