Warnock Fired again ?

[pommpey]

Warnock wouldn't come back. Not as long as Game Changing Investments is still wiping his arse with the twenties the fans put into the club.

pommpey

 

[sheffielder]

Warnock wouldn't come back. Not as long as Game Changing Investments is still wiping his arse with the twenties the fans put into the club.

pommpey

I don't see why the board is getting all your anger. Clough has brought in 16 players including loans. Do you think the team which finished last season needed that many changes?

 

[pommpey]

I don't see why the board is getting all your anger. Clough has brought in 16 players including loans. Do you think the team which finished last season needed that many changes?

The team is hugely underskilled, in many areas. Even if we did scrape promotion - do you really think we'd survive in the Championship with this lot? The board is responsible for supporting the manager's overall team plan and if we lack power in areas - how long have we been without a prolific striker I ask you - then it is their job to get weaving and support Clough's plan. Like I keep saying, those 16 players cost the sum total of fuck all. We sold Maguire for £2.5m. Where's that cash gone?

pommpey

 

[sheffielder]

The team is hugely underskilled, in many areas. Even if we did scrape promotion - do you really think we'd survive in the Championship with this lot? The board is responsible for supporting the manager's overall team plan and if we lack power in areas - how long have we been without a prolific striker I ask you - then it is their job to get weaving and support Clough's plan. Like I keep saying, those 16 players cost the sum total of fuck all. We sold Maguire for £2.5m. Where's that cash gone?

pommpey

According to Jim Bob, it's there for Nigel to spend next week.

 

[judge]

Warnocks been a top flight manager on four separate occasions

On each occasion he is been up against it and fell short no doubts about that

If he was appointed our manager tommorow we would be in the championship next season

 

[raul]

" I just felt we were lacking in midfield me, so I rang Monty and first thing he said was "I'm on my way gaffer" and I think if you asked him, he'd say he wouldn't have done that for any other manager"

 

[Harry's Game]

" I just felt we were lacking in midfield me, so I rang Monty and first thing he said was "I'm on my way gaffer" and I think if you asked him, he'd say he wouldn't have done that for any other manager"

Sneer all you want, Monty is better than Doyle

 

[BeatleBlade]

Bit of a stupid move from Palace to be honest. Given that he was 6th/7th choice for the job I think they will struggle to get anyone better in. He never even had one transfer window to bring anyone in either!

 

[JJ Sefton]

I love this idea that we shouldn't want Warnock because he can't cut it in the Premiership. Let's worry about that when we get there.

 

[wizadry]

I love this idea that we shouldn't want Warnock because he can't cut it in the Premiership. Let's worry about that when we get there.

Who's said they don't want him for that reason walthy?

 

[super_pig]

Sneer all you want, Monty is better than Doyle

a bit like saying cat pooh is more useful than dog pooh

 

[Latters]

Sneer all you want, Monty is better than Doyle

No, he isn't.

 

[pommpey]

Sneer all you want, Monty is better than Doyle

Yep. As much as it grinds my gears to admit, I'd take the consistent ninety minutes of knee-fluffing, second-touch-is-a-tackle, boot .... it's-out-of-the-ground energy that Monty had to Doyle's ten-minutes-of-activity inconsistent shite at the moment.

pommpey

 

[Harry's Game]

No, he isn't.

Oh yes he is.

 

[Harry's Game]

Yep. As much as it grinds my gears to admit, I'd take the consistent ninety minutes of knee-fluffing, second-touch-is-a-tackle, boot .... it's-out-of-the-ground energy that Monty had to Doyle's ten-minutes-of-activity inconsistent shite at the moment.

pommpey

Bit harsh, Monty has two man of the match awards against Arsene Wengers Arseanl to brag about, couldn't see any of our current midfielders achieving that.

 

[boo radley]

Does this mean we can send McCarthy back?

 

[Latters]

Oh yes he is.

He ran around more, yes, but this was because his positional play was so poor. He also mistimed more tackles and misplaced more passes. I prefer Doyle. Montgomery's balance was laughable, which made him easier to knock off the ball than a small child. He was, and probably still is, a shocking footballer.

 

[pommpey]

Bit harsh, Monty has two man of the match awards against Arsene Wengers Arseanl to brag about, couldn't see any of our current midfielders achieving that.

No mate. Don't misunderstand me. I'd take Monty back - right now. Lampard said in an interview the most difficult opponent he has played against was Nick Montgomery. He chased Lampard all over the pitch and made it very difficult for him, apparently. See Doyle doing that?

Me neither.

pommpey

 

[JohnDenver]

I like the BBC's choice of photo:

 

[grafikhaus]

just cant cut it in the big time, can get anybody promoted but cant keep them up..

And that sums up the mentality in football. If you do a good job as, say, Sales Manager it doesn't mean you'd make a good MD. Horses for courses.

NW's problem is the clubs that employ him. When they hire him, it should be painly stated 'You get us promotion, there's £X in your bank account as a bonus, but then we part company.'

Football is so stuck in the past that they give proven lower division managers 'a chance at the big time' and, when it's obvious the manager hasn't the expertise at that level, it's too late.

All the best NW. There's many worse managers out there. Harry Redknapp for one.

 

[Bladepicker]

Weird that whenever Warnock becomes available he is seen as some sort of Mourinho lite when in reality he had 2 and a half good seasons, wasted shedloads of money, made some awful tactical decisons and played some dire negative football.

We had some great times under him for sure but we must forget his insistance on a defensive 4-5-1 away from home, playing Asaba at left wing back at Forest, signing a million bang average overpriced strikers and generally being a cock end.

Even in our great seasons we had some terrible performances that were a result of Warnock's lack of tactical aptitidue coming to the fore. Remember going to bottom of the league Coventry in the promotion season and losing 2 - 0 with a performance worse than even Crewe away last year.

Lots of other examples. Play off final, playing Asaba and Rankine ahead of Windass and McCall who had got us there. The money wasted in the promotion season and subsequent Prem year and his lack of any sort of humility or contrition when we were poor. A total footballing dinosaur and a bit of a tit who seems to be forgiven all because he is a Blade.

Plus if he came he would no doubt sign Paddy Kenny and Michael fucking Tonge and still play 4 5 1 away from home, only getting Bob Harris to Aim a seven iron style chip forward to Higdon, ala Alan Wright to D'Jaffo or whichever bang average striker he was selecting up front at that time. Clough may not be cutting it at the minute but Warnock was not, is not and never chuffing will be the answer.

 

[oldblade]

He certainly got a fair crack at the whip with us,that's something Palace wasn't willing to give him,but i still honestly believe he struggles at the top level,that is all.

In one way or another about three quarters of the managers in the premier league struggle. Hardly earth shatteringly out of the ordinary is it, but hey let's have a pop at someone who left 8 years ago, even though he did a better job than anyone we've had since John Harris with the one exception of Dave Bassett.

 

[JasonEllis]

Sneer all you want, Monty is better than Doyle

Not a chance when Doyle was at his best (before joining us unfortunately) and IMHO Doyle's game is better than Monty was even now.

 

[Tezza1889]

I dont want him back btw, but think he did great to get us up, i mean we didn't buy that promotion, we made a few decent additions to push us over the line in the end, at least he had the guts to tell mcabe we were concentrating on one target after those two semi finals cost us the previous year and we dropped the cups in the promotion season which followed.

take note nigel, a semi final means nothing if your target is to be promoted this season..

 

[wizadry]

In one way or another about three quarters of the managers in the premier league struggle. Hardly earth shatteringly out of the ordinary is it, but hey let's have a pop at someone who left 8 years ago, even though he did a better job than anyone we've had since John Harris with the one exception of Dave Bassett.

Why do three quarters struggle? They don't is my answer,not the quantity you put anyway.Some are doing well,some are adequate and some are overachieving.There are always the money aspects which come into it,how much they spend etc etc.I didn't start the thread.All i was saying is that on stats alone NW has never been successful at a Premier league club.Ok!

 

[oldblade]

Why do three quarters struggle? They don't is my answer,not the quantity you put anyway.Some are doing well,some are adequate and some are overachieving.There are always the money aspects which come into it,how much they spend etc etc.I didn't start the thread.All i was saying is that on stats alone NW has never been successful at a Premier league club.Ok!

Half the premier league are well within reach of being relegated. Unless I'm missing something that means they are struggling somewhat.

and above half way I don't think you can call 9th position acceptable as far as Liverpool and their fans are concerned, or 10th acceptable as far as Newcastle are concerned. Arsenal are 6th and miles away from winning a championship and Tottenham are inconsistent. Many there would expect better (let's hope that continues until after they have played us). If Manchester city don't win the league that will be seen as a failure, and the same can be said of Chelsea.

Most premier league managers struggle in one way or another, and it can be just as big a failure to come second as to get relegated, dependant on the expectations and financial strength of the club involved.

As for his premier league record, some would say getting Notts County there was a minor miracle in itself. Do you think any current premier league manager could have kept them up?

At QPR he wasn't even in the relegation zone when sacked with half a season to go, and at Palace he had less than half a season there and the side were hardly adrift were they?

So that leaves us, and the circumstances of our relegation have been debated numerous times in very great detail. Suffice to say there were other factors involved than just Warnock's abilities as a manager.

 

[diplomat]

Even in our great seasons we had some terrible performances that were a result of Warnock's lack of tactical aptitidue coming to the fore. Remember going to bottom of the league Coventry in the promotion season and losing 2 - 0 with a performance worse than even Crewe away last year.

I think the ghost of Geoff Horsfield played that game. It was most memorable for me for the employment of our future england international as a wandering full back switching from left to right to man mark the legend that was James Snowcroft. Warnock was guilty of some very strange paranoia at times.

All in all, thank you Neil. I had some good times. I had other times of great tedium. Whilst he loved a transfer deal it's fair to say that the only time we really loosened the purse strings we went up. I appreciate what you built but we do t need him now

 

[Harry's Game]

Not a chance when Doyle was at his best (before joining us unfortunately) and IMHO Doyle's game is better than Monty was even now.

His best days before he joined us? Don't say that to any Coventry fans they wanted his head on a pole they reckoned he was so poor there.

 

[oldblade]

Even in our great seasons we had some terrible performances that were a result of Warnock's lack of tactical aptitidue coming to the fore. Remember going to bottom of the league Coventry in the promotion season and losing 2 - 0 with a performance worse than even Crewe away last year.

Coventry were not bottom of the league. They finished 8th and were around that position when they played us.

All sides have at least a few poor performances over the course of a season, and that season we put in many very, very good performances both at home and away. We won more away matches that season than in any season since 1981-2..

 

[Bladesway]

As much as I hate to admit it with him here we would be harder to beat and probably get promoted. If it's a one season and out then he is your man, but if you actually want to plan for the future then for fucks sake no.