Warnock Again :-)
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Balham Blade
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I doubt it but I know a man who does:
https://twitter.com/#!/Joey7Barton
Boot firmly in from loveable Joey.
That seems to back up what most Blades say - Warnock is a motivator not a tactician and if you're a favourite; you'll be fine. Must admit, I quite like Joey Barton even if he is a bit of an argumentative pillock.
Bladesman
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Yep on BBC now: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16661074.stm
Like some of us have said that is Warnock he blames every man and his dog rather than blame himself.
Like some of us have said that is Warnock he blames every man and his dog rather than blame himself.
Jonboy60
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like it,see what you did there.I doubt it but I know a man who does:
https://twitter.com/#!/Joey7Barton
Boot firmly in from loveable Joey.
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Hes still a cock
Silent Blade
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Fully agree, I couldnt have put it better.
DW wasnt my choice to be our new manager last summer but I was giving him a chance to see if he could turn us round. Not only that he has brought us good results or good football but he is always calm and talks a lot of sense in his pre or post match comments to the media. a real breath of fresh air!
AlienWoodward
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I can't go along with knocking Warnock. I have to admit I only ever came across him once and found him very big headed, I can say the same about Dave Bassett.
However they both gave me some of my best times ever following united and for that I will be eternally grateful as there has not been a lot of joy in my lifetime as a Blade.
However they both gave me some of my best times ever following united and for that I will be eternally grateful as there has not been a lot of joy in my lifetime as a Blade.
William Large
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Couldn't agree more. Barton is a fucking nasty, vile piece of work. I can't believe that people(particularly on here) take his side against Warnock. So he is a loud mouthed, arrogant nobber at times but he did us proud and brought such good times to the lane, the best in recent memory. Perhaps he should come out and say that the Premiership is beyond him but he never will, because he is ambitious and passionate and one of the few characters left in the game. He was always going to get the sack at QPR because he did what was needed - what many others tried and failed to do - and once they reached the big league isn't the so called big fancy name that so many clubs long for. Above all else he is a Blade so leave the bloke alone.
Balham Blade
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I'll bite. I'm not "taking Barton's side" against Warnock. I'm merely pointing out that all the available evidence would suggest that Neil Warnock is out of his depth as a Premiership manager and his stock response to that is to blame all around him without ever admitting any failings.
In addition to that: to extrapolate your final point the idiots singing ridiculously inappropriate songs about Ched Evans are Blades too; should we leave them alone too or rightly pass censure?
grafikhaus
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Here's my tuppen'orth:
When we went up, yes he probably spent unwisely (every manager does), but he was not given the funds to seriously stay up, let alone 'do a Stoke'. It's been the same at QPR - plenty of promises, more money than he's ever had access to before, but still only enough to shop in the bargain basement. In that, I think NW can be classed as a bit unlucky. I'm sure most of us, at some time in our lives, have thought 'If only I had a bit more dosh, I could get a better car/house/bird.' Once in the PL, you've got to spend enough to give the manager a fighting chance to keep you up. He didn't get that either here or at QPR.
Perhaps he wasn't to be trusted with big money? Well, apart from, say King Kenny who has spunked away £35m on Carroll and a host of other expensive flops by so-called 'great' managers, where is the sense in keeping a manager until the PL season is half over until you realise he wasn't up to the job?
I see perfect sense in employing a manager to do a specific job - i.e. get promotion - and then being replaced by somebody with more proven pedigree, and it being made plain from the outset. It happens in most businesses. NW should havbe been seen by QPR as a 'Red Adair' figure.
As NW said last week upon being sacked 'I take full responsibility for where we are. We're in the Premier League.'
The PL swallows up and spits out the so-called 'lesser' teams in a short space of time. NW is no different to Phil Brown, Ian Holloway, Brendan Rogers, Steve Kean, Owen Coyle etc. etc. and not deserving of all this abuse.
And how people can support Barton in any shape or form is incredible.
Anyway there's an interview with NW on Football Focus today at 12.15.
Final thought? The sooner fucking Twitter falls out of favour the better.
- I enjoyed some of the best times with NW as manager.
- I can't believe some of the vitriol about him on here.
- He's a damn good manager to get a team up, but is probably not good enough for the PL.
When we went up, yes he probably spent unwisely (every manager does), but he was not given the funds to seriously stay up, let alone 'do a Stoke'. It's been the same at QPR - plenty of promises, more money than he's ever had access to before, but still only enough to shop in the bargain basement. In that, I think NW can be classed as a bit unlucky. I'm sure most of us, at some time in our lives, have thought 'If only I had a bit more dosh, I could get a better car/house/bird.' Once in the PL, you've got to spend enough to give the manager a fighting chance to keep you up. He didn't get that either here or at QPR.
Perhaps he wasn't to be trusted with big money? Well, apart from, say King Kenny who has spunked away £35m on Carroll and a host of other expensive flops by so-called 'great' managers, where is the sense in keeping a manager until the PL season is half over until you realise he wasn't up to the job?
I see perfect sense in employing a manager to do a specific job - i.e. get promotion - and then being replaced by somebody with more proven pedigree, and it being made plain from the outset. It happens in most businesses. NW should havbe been seen by QPR as a 'Red Adair' figure.
As NW said last week upon being sacked 'I take full responsibility for where we are. We're in the Premier League.'
The PL swallows up and spits out the so-called 'lesser' teams in a short space of time. NW is no different to Phil Brown, Ian Holloway, Brendan Rogers, Steve Kean, Owen Coyle etc. etc. and not deserving of all this abuse.
And how people can support Barton in any shape or form is incredible.
Anyway there's an interview with NW on Football Focus today at 12.15.
Final thought? The sooner fucking Twitter falls out of favour the better.
Bladesway
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By the way, Barton is by far a bigger arsehole than Warnock. At least Warnock has actually proven himself in his career. To those who say he is a great Championship Manager I totally agree but the Premiership is beyond him, which is my point in its entirety. Finally, yes I loathe the man, but if we didn't have a good manager in charge, or he walked and we needed out of League One/The Championship guess who would be top of my list? But the minute we got there he would be gone.
I don't like him but I recognise his abilities. My sticking point is its always someone elses fault when it goes wrong. Ambitious, passionate etc etc, but he lacks the professionalism to recognise his failings.
I don't like him but I recognise his abilities. My sticking point is its always someone elses fault when it goes wrong. Ambitious, passionate etc etc, but he lacks the professionalism to recognise his failings.
i suppose he will never get the chance to prove himself in the prem again ,i hope he retires and does media work
for me there arent enough people talking about the game with even an opinion (never mind a controversial one )
i hope he gets a job on tv and radio and is able to wind people up just as much as he is doing in this thread ,because otherwise its all down to the twitterings of absoloute twats like barton and cardboard cut outs like hughes using their old man united connections to get them through the game
people can say warnock is not premiership standard and its debatable if he is or not but at the end of his career he has had 3 teams promoted to the prem so what standard is he then ? somewhere inbetween ? some 3rd dimension of football i havent heard about ?he told qpr months ago they needed 5 or 6 new signings so they sack him and give someone else the money ,what has happenend to the integrity in brittish society ? is it gone forever never to return
for me there arent enough people talking about the game with even an opinion (never mind a controversial one )
i hope he gets a job on tv and radio and is able to wind people up just as much as he is doing in this thread ,because otherwise its all down to the twitterings of absoloute twats like barton and cardboard cut outs like hughes using their old man united connections to get them through the game
people can say warnock is not premiership standard and its debatable if he is or not but at the end of his career he has had 3 teams promoted to the prem so what standard is he then ? somewhere inbetween ? some 3rd dimension of football i havent heard about ?he told qpr months ago they needed 5 or 6 new signings so they sack him and give someone else the money ,what has happenend to the integrity in brittish society ? is it gone forever never to return
shorehamview
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That would be QPR owned by the Malaysian Tony Fernandes then? It looks like integrity has gone the same way as spelling and punctuation.
im sorry about the spelling and punctuation i should know betterThat would be QPR owned by the Malaysian Tony Fernandes then? It looks like integrity has gone the same way as spelling and punctuation.
just want to point out one thing to bladesway who if im correct holds keith edwards in very high regard as a player
but he never made in the top flight and he did leave us when a better offer came along
so why is he a legend and warnock is a guy whos demise seemingly is more important to you than the results of the club you support
shorehamview
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If only you'd bought one of those modern computers that come with free spell checking software. Still, next time eh?
The problem is that percentage football can be shown to deliver the results to get promotions but once you get to the PL it comes down to having something more than playing those percentages - by which time if you go down that route to success you then have a squad lacking with any true quality in depth to adjust. NW knows the formula to get the required percentage performances and that for me is where his quality ends. He has an eye for bringing out success in the mediocre but when the pool around his sides becomes more talent rich his focus is lost. A league where the majority are all capable of beating each other seems to be his bread and butter and he thrives on it, but when the team he manages moves into being a struggling 15% instead of the average 70% (never going to be the elite 15%) then his game plan is flawed. The PL is the wrong balance of teams for NW to do anything but fail, but he should still get his shot for getting a team there IMHO.
What's wrong with the PL is the gulf in money and the greed that surrounds that. Why should any team build itself into a position where it is unable to fail and be relegated? Any club getting promotion should not feel they have a devine right to stay in that higher league but the riches on offer cloud judgement at all levels.
If he feels harshly treated then I can see some reasons as to why. Fair treatment goes out of the window when staying in the PL has to be the goal rather than it being nice if it was possible.
What's wrong with the PL is the gulf in money and the greed that surrounds that. Why should any team build itself into a position where it is unable to fail and be relegated? Any club getting promotion should not feel they have a devine right to stay in that higher league but the riches on offer cloud judgement at all levels.
If he feels harshly treated then I can see some reasons as to why. Fair treatment goes out of the window when staying in the PL has to be the goal rather than it being nice if it was possible.
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he has reverted to type. Always someone else to blame.
tomtheblade
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Shocking lack of respect from Joey Barton. Warnock got the club promoted with background boardroom upheaval with the exchange of owners and so on. He's been at the club only half a season and is slagging off the previous manager who got them where they are. The captain at any club should be a model of integrity and respect, and Barton's a disgrace. I agree Warnock does blame others too much, and shouts his mouth off too much at times as well, but he really deserved better than the way he's been treated. Remember that in this spat with Barton he hasn't actually said anything against his former captain, and even refused to respond to the twitter comments in his column this weekend.
In the circumstances i'd say he's been fairly restrained, and i'm no massive warnock fan.
In the circumstances i'd say he's been fairly restrained, and i'm no massive warnock fan.
Predictable interview on FF. Said nothing really about Barton - how could he without looking like an idiot, he had to take the high ground. And of course had to mention yet again that QPR was his best ever promotion.
Loved the way he slipped in that they'd earmarked the next 7 games to take points from to push on.
Loved the way he slipped in that they'd earmarked the next 7 games to take points from to push on.
Worksop II
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Correct Sitters, and Barton is as thick as Pig Shit.
What does Barton imagine is going through Mark Hughes's head when he makes comments about a Previous Manager.
Though to be honest Neil, you did sign the Twat
grafikhaus
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To be fair, it must be an absolute nighmare trying to manage some of these cunts. If they're not out committing crime, brawling and shagging they're putting a running commentary of their dimwit lives on Twatter and WasteofSpaceBook.
Managers like Mancini don't help with his pathetic 'card' gesture.
Managers like Mancini don't help with his pathetic 'card' gesture.
William Large
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Probably 90 odd percent of managers blame everyone but themselves. I don't think that Warnock is Unique in that respect. I didn't mean that we should back him purely because he is a blade, but the positives he brought to the club far outweighed the negatives and it annoys me when he gets slagged off and condemned by united fans - most of whom see him as an easy target.
There is a scum element to most clubs and I don't feel any allegiance to those who choose to chant the sort of tripe you refer to.
Warnock has never done himself any favours with the way he conducts himself but his record speaks for itself and there are far more clubs that would welcome him than not. Barton wants to take a look at himself the nasty little twat.
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Good to see QPR doing so well with all those big name players Hughes managed to sign for them...
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If they were playing in the championship this season I think there's a good chance they would be several places below Leeds and staring division one in the face.
By this time last season QPR had at least won a few games and had significantly more points than they do now.
And season after season things have got sooooooooooo much better at Bramall Lane since he left' haven't they.
Bladesway
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So who took us down in tue first place? let me guess..........someone else. Getting Warnock out was unfortunately done a year too late however, its the cockfest we replaced him with that really made things worse.
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