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ShockingBadBuy said:
At last, someone from an influential body in the game goes on the record with something sensible about this clusterfuck. Now let’s see them issue these promised new guidelines on best practice, and take proper steps to encourage the PL to adopt them.

#endthispatheticcharade
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I don't get how the FA/premier league get away with it. Surely if they're not doing what they should be, they should be held accountable.
 

Scooter_mcgavin said:
The problem is theres still human interaction.

If seen them drawing lines proving onside, then resetting and getting an offside with fresh lines...and that one is taken as the result.

Why?
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Plus it's being used far too clinically!

The biggest issue, that know one here is seeing, is that if this was last season we would be in a much better league position without VAR and that's what's hurting!
 
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Gimli said:
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I’m mates with a Liverpool fan who peddles the ‘yeah but it’s the correct decision’ bullshit after every VAR incident.
He thinks I’m being a sore loser based on the fact that so many have gone against us (as above) - maybe he’s got a point, maybe I hate VAR because it’s (so far) disproportionately harmed my team.

But actually, it’s not that - When we scored against Spurs and also yesterday against City, their own fans were basically embarrassed to have benefitted from such a ridiculous call and this is what I believe we are bothered about - Its ruining the game and when even opponents who benefit from decisions are slating it, something has to be wrong.
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Hypothetical I know but I reckon those decisions have cost us at least 6 points. If VAR wasn't in play this season we would be sat in a Champions league spot.
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'll take that one. I'm more "neutral" on VAR than "in favour". If we're to persist with an offside law. We could scrap it all together of course. Then we have to have a way of judging offside. Lino doing their best to keep up with play. Looking two ways at once. To see the point the ball is kicked. And to see who is in line. And then using the ultra modern communication tool of whacking a flag up. That's one clearly imperfect way. No worries. I'm neutral on that. I won't lose my shit if they get it wrong. Video judgement, based on maths & trig. Judgement call on which frame to use for ball on foot. Bit of computer fiddling to find whether it's head or knee. And then a different communication tool, on the video screen. That's another somewhat imperfect way. No worries. I'm neutral on that. I won't lose my shit if they get it wrong. I'm capable of celebrating goals at different points. I can't be anything other than honest. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about celebrating, only to see it overturned.
A nagging feeling that Video Technology longer term is the way forward. Been to a lot of FIFA & UEFA Tournaments & seen it working "for years". I'm just OK with it. Not "get fucking" anyone who doesn't like it. And, if we have Lino Flag, I'll be OK with that as well. Just OK......
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I hate the system, hate how it's used and hate the fact that the best part of football (for me), the cathartic release of losing your shit for a goal after the build up of anticipation from an attack has now been taken away. I don't see the point in celebrating every goal (I'll forget myself sometimes 😂).

But I appreciate the response and your opinion. My opinion is that the delay will never be worth it 🤷‍♂️

Takes all sorts
 
Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
I'm sure, like me, you're happy to call LBWs from square leg.......
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When stood at Square Leg, the LBW decision is obviously difficult/impossible, but you get an idea with front foot, bounce (height).
Where is the 3D modelling on off-sides? Everything looks haphazard and out of focus.
The off-side rule really does need sorting, as people have said, level is now off-side. Inconsistencies will exist for however long it is left to someone to say off-side/on-site.
 
bromtom said:
The problem the amount of frames from which you choose. 1/50th of a second might seem a small amount of time, but a lot happens in that amount of time when it comes to motion.

I have a high speed camera on my phone so here's some examples, I dropped a penny sweet and freeze framed a screen from different frame rates.

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60 is higher than what the Prem have and it's a streaky blur.

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120 FPS is better, but there's still a clear issue with blurring.

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At 960 FPS you're at a point where there's very little blur disguising the objects position, but the Premier League is using footage almost a twentieth as clear.
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I've done a very rough overlay of the 960fps image on the 60 fps. Taking the width of the sweet as the focus for scaling.

It's not scientific by any stretch but given that horizontal movement seems to be minimal, resizing has a decent confidence level and does show a margin of error.

It's also worth noting that the sweet is high contrast against the grey background, additional blurring will be visible between green grass and yellow boots for instance.


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I think I can say with 95% certainty that in the words of GRUMPY BLADE - it's horseshit
 
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Who would have thought it that VAR is basically flawed by Blur, he can stick Parklife up his trumpet !

The above post shows why its flawed. I also think resolution has a lot to do with it. A HD 1080p picture being used (if it is that looks more like 576p) is also going to come into the account. A blurry boot with a precise pixelled line over it is not the way to go. Doesnt matter whether its done by a computer or done by a person if the source picture freeze frame isnt crystal clear it shouldnt be used. Its like trying to get a straight line on the ground with a load of bananas.
 
Here's an explanation of how offside is done with Hawk-Eye https://www.premierleague.com/news/1488423
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So the video ref manually clicks where he wants the spots to be it's not done by the computer.If he doesn't like it he can change where the lines are.
Seems like a pretty stupid system.
"The positioning of the crosshairs is manual with a line one-pixel wide. "
To begin with the two lines are coloured yellow and black.In this state ,the VAR can change position of each line.These lines are not the final confirmed position."
So they can just manipulate the lines until they get the desired result.

I do trust the Hawkeye cameras they are great technology. I don't trust the same crap rotating referees to be responsible for the decisions.
Different sport but he NHL uses 4 people specifically trained in the technology who make the decision in every incident overseen by a supervisor.
 

WalthamstowBlade said:
Probably already posted but can't be arsed to look, this does a good job of showing why it is a myth that VAR can be as accurate as its proponents claim it is...

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The VAR proponents on here and elsewhere will argue that black is white as long as they can enjoy soccer on their sofa. The daft twats.
 
Clearly one of the main issues is the framerate. Why the hell are they using 50 fps when they could easily increase to 1000 fps. Cheapskates!!!
 
Gimli said:
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I’m mates with a Liverpool fan who peddles the ‘yeah but it’s the correct decision’ bullshit after every VAR incident.
He thinks I’m being a sore loser based on the fact that so many have gone against us (as above) - maybe he’s got a point, maybe I hate VAR because it’s (so far) disproportionately harmed my team.

But actually, it’s not that - When we scored against Spurs and also yesterday against City, their own fans were basically embarrassed to have benefitted from such a ridiculous call and this is what I believe we are bothered about - Its ruining the game and when even opponents who benefit from decisions are slating it, something has to be wrong.
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Let's face it 2/3rds of this table will wonder what all the fuss is about and some will love it!

We are top of the stats table for offsides but Wolves are near the bottom. We are high for long balls but not through balls.

Can't find any real correlation of the stats.
 
Bladesman said:
www.skysports.com

Coady: VAR isn't working

Conor Coady wasnt happy following Wolves defeat to Liverpool, stating that VAR isnt working after a handball shout in the build up to the winner wasnt given.
www.skysports.com www.skysports.com
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Bumping this, for the link to Coady’s interview. As Beans and Roygbiv say in the latest pod, hearing an articulate player’s thoughts on VAR is interesting, and really does help cut through some of the crap.

Also bumping the thread, which offers a more rounded set of perspectives than some of the others.

EDIT: beaten to the bump by Carlts 👍
 
do away with VAR and do away with the offside rule lets see some open play and more goals
 

It’s not just the poor outcomes with the var tech that is an issue.

I’m still pissed off with that Newcastle goal where the flag goes up but is ignored by the ref, so they score while our players stop playing.
But time and again in matches before and after that farce, refs have blown up immediately when the Lino flag is raised. Why is there no consistency on that?

This is only happening because of var so is highly relevant to the whole var debate
 
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