VAR VAR

[benn5712]

I remember John Carver, also after a match at Norwich where decisions went against us, saying controversially that us Blades ain't popular within the corridors of
football's officialdom.
Feck 'em and up the Mighty Blades.

 

[shrubbery]

I watch a lot of Spanish games.

You clearly don't.

I watch a lot of international games.

You clearly don’t.

 

[originaltrueblade]

Ref wasn’t going to give us anything either

 

[Budgie]

The VAR debate has already been done to death but my opinion remains the same - if it ain't broke don't try and fix it. Football is massively popular and this new system simply plays to the computer game generation and armchair fan, not the real supporters who are in the ground. Most refs get most decisions right and when they're wrong it just adds to the experience. Football is a game played in the moment where decisions should be instant by players and officials alike. Sadly, I think it may be here to stay but has it improved the game? For me it's a definite NO!

 

[YES Blade]

It doesn't prove the positive of the system. I could've rescinded the card based on a coin flip and it wouldn't prove that my coin was making good decisions. VAR is controversial in almost every game you watch. It doesn't seem like there's anything to indicate it's better than referees making decisions freely. And it's not supposed to be just better, it needs to be significantly better to make up for the delays in play and the utter detachment fans are feeling from the game.

TV replays from multiple angles and different speeds are significantly better than a single view in real time from one angle. The Bash red card proved that, it looked a red from the main tv camera angle, but the second angle it was clearly a rash challenge that made little contact.

I honestly don’t get the time issue, football has always had stoppages and time wasting, why is this a big problem? Say the match went on for an extra 15 minutes, why is that a massive problem? Most of us don’t need to desperately get somewhere so soon after a match that 15 minutes will cause a problem.

I think the detachment thing is going OTT, if attendances start to drop over the next few years then I’ll hold my hands up and admit to being wrong. But I can only see the Premier League going from strength to strength with attendances continuing to be very high.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I watch a lot of international games.

You clearly don’t.

I watch a lot of interstellar games.

You clearly don't.

 

[blade67]

It doesn't prove the positive of the system. I could've rescinded the card based on a coin flip and it wouldn't prove that my coin was making good decisions. VAR is controversial in almost every game you watch. It doesn't seem like there's anything to indicate it's better than referees making decisions freely. And it's not supposed to be just better, it needs to be significantly better to make up for the delays in play and the utter detachment fans are feeling from the game.

This unfortunately is true.

The decision on our third goal was bizarre stuff.

Why is the lino flagging?
It seemed the ref had blown his whistle, meaning the Norwich players including the goalie stopped. How can you then give the goal.

But it's also a blatant penalty before lunny even gets the ball

 

[PokerBlade]

TV replays from multiple angles and different speeds are significantly better than a single view in real time from one angle. The Bash red card proved that, it looked a red from the main tv camera angle, but the second angle it was clearly a rash challenge that made little contact.

I honestly don’t get the time issue, football has always had stoppages and time wasting, why is this a big problem? Say the match went on for an extra 15 minutes, why is that a massive problem? Most of us don’t need to desperately get somewhere so soon after a match that 15 minutes will cause a problem.

I think the detachment thing is going OTT, if attendances start to drop over the next few years then I’ll hold my hands up and admit to being wrong. But I can only see the Premier League going from strength to strength with attendances continuing to be very high.

Replays from multiple angles should be better, but we're still seeing howler after howler from the VAR.

And the issue with stoppages and time wasting is that I, like many others, want to REDUCE it not greatly increase it.

As for the detachment, I don't even know whether to celebrate a goal or not any more.

 

[blade too long]

Breaking new ground with this thing every week. Has any other side in the league had such an interesting/ridiculous time of it? We must be the most VAR affected club in the league, for bad and good after the Bash decision just now.
Tottenham ridiculous offside.
Jota penalty check when he's miles offside.
Shelvey goal.
Lundstram/Basham goal/pen/offside threeway
Basham red rescinded.

What next?

Don't forget mcburnie goal written off v saints
Think Chelsea scored one at Everton with a player in keepers eyeliner... Was given
Can't make it up

 

[Toronto Blade]

Better left at ball over the goal line or not.
Going to VAR just kills the club that has the momentum and kills any celebration by players and fans.

 

[Budgie]

But I can only see the Premier League going from strength to strength with attendances continuing to be very high.

Agree but the attendees will increasingly be camera phone wielding, half and half scarf wearing, two club supporting, selfie obsessed passionless pricks! VAR is designed to bring a sense of jeopardy to the game that only has a home on mind numbing TV shows like X factor and the like. Attendances in football will continue to be strong regardless of VAR but traditional fans WILL vote with their feet.

 

[CornwallBlade]

The VAR debate has already been done to death but my opinion remains the same - if it ain't broke don't try and fix it. Football is massively popular and this new system simply plays to the computer game generation and armchair fan, not the real supporters who are in the ground. Most refs get most decisions right and when they're wrong it just adds to the experience. Football is a game played in the moment where decisions should be instant by players and officials alike. Sadly, I think it may be here to stay but has it improved the game? For me it's a definite NO!

I sympathise absolutely with your view but PL football has bugger all to do with fans in the ground anymore. We are just props adding atmosphere to the tv show that generates the real cash.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Better left at ball over the goal line or not.
Going to VAR just kills the club that has the momentum and kills any celebration by players and fans.

Got to agree, away win today, 8th in the league but the win is tainted by the feelings VAR leave you with.

 

[Varkanoid]

Never mind the offside, never mind the penalty, it was a goal.

What they should have done this season with VAR is use it behind close doors. Run it in a live trial but dont have any contact with the match. That way at the end of the season they could have totted up how many VAR got right/wrong against the Referee's actual decision. Then next season they could have made the necessary changes to improve it then run it live with the match referee.

 

[Rusty view]

Take a look at the Villa goal. Kid sets it up is offside. Goal given. No way a different phase of play

 

[Rochdaleblade]

Surely Lundstram isn't active until the defender cleans out Basham, by which point he is back onside. Either a pen or a goal, or I don't understand the offside law (quite possible these days)

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

The red card being rescinded proved the positives of the system, but even the biggest VAR supporter acknowledges that it’s far from perfect.

There are many improvements which could be made and in time I’ve no doubt it will improve, hopefully some improvements will be made for next season.

It's as good as it's ever going to be because the ref's run it.

We'd all like to run with the ref's making poor calls like Bash today rather than the buggers doubling the number of poor calls by exposing TV replays to their inadequacies.

Scrap the shit system.

 

[gordoncharles]

Here's another angle of that penalty awarded against the Spurs goalkeeper that VAR just took 2 minutes to decide whether it should actually be a penalty

 

[BladesOnToast]

The most bonkers one of the season so far (and that's a fierce competition):



Pukki's second against Spurs, ruled out for the recently introduced offence of being NEARLY BUT NOT QUITE offside. Even when we're not playing VAR is conspiring against us by helping our Champions League rivals.

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

The most bonkers one of the season so far (and that's a fierce competition):

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Pukki's second against Spurs, ruled out for the recently introduced offence of being NEARLY BUT NOT QUITE offside. Even when we're not playing VAR is conspiring against us by helping our Champions League rivals.

I'm very happy to say I'm a fan of VAR for offsides. Offside is a yes/no call based on trigonometry. You can be four yards offside. You can be four mm offside. You are offside. The technology works it out for you. I know there's a dick swinging contest to prove who is the Biggest Celebrator & it's being ruined. But, I'm outside that game.....
Pukki ... Offside there ... I'd be appalled if he'd scored that against us & it was allowed.

 

[bartman]

I'm very happy to say I'm a fan of VAR for offsides. Offside is a yes/no call based on trigonometry. You can be four yards offside. You can be four mm offside. You are offside. The technology works it out for you. I know there's a dick swinging contest to prove who is the Biggest Celebrator & it's being ruined. But, I'm outside that game.....
Pukki ... Offside there ... I'd be appalled if he'd scored that against us & it was allowed.

There is a margin of error in the technology so it isnt exact ( I think they said 20 cm when the report was on 5Live but I stand to be corrected on that). It would be interesting to know if this is taken into consideration when the decision is being made

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

There is a margin of error in the technology so it isnt exact ( I think they said 20 cm when the report was on 5Live but I stand to be corrected on that). It would be interesting to know if this is taken into consideration when the decision is being made

Nope. The scientists who invented the technology have always refused to give "margin of error". (Incidentally, I don't agree with that). So any one saying "20cm" is guessing. The VAR refs just let the technology take over - it is not taken into consideration as you query

 

[jt64]

There is a margin of error in the technology so it isnt exact ( I think they said 20 cm when the report was on 5Live but I stand to be corrected on that). It would be interesting to know if this is taken into consideration when the decision is being made

20cm is an obvious misquote if you think about it

People who are whining about the Pukki offside - this is nothing to do with "clear and obvious", as Phil says, it's matter of fact. If you want that allowed, do you also want that "goal" that Liverpool had disallowed against City last season that cost them the title to have counted? That's as close, if not closer, as the Pukki offside, but because it's not given by VAR you're fine with it?

 

[SwitchBLADE Smiles]

The most bonkers one of the season so far (and that's a fierce competition):

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Pukki's second against Spurs, ruled out for the recently introduced offence of being NEARLY BUT NOT QUITE offside. Even when we're not playing VAR is conspiring against us by helping our Champions League rivals.

Piss take. This one is as bad as Lundstrams against the same side. This is not what VAR was brought in for, and I don't care what anyone says, Pukki was very clearly onside here. Norwich have been absolutely robbed.

 

[Mumbo]

The

Nope. The scientists who invented the technology have always refused to give "margin of error". (Incidentally, I don't agree with that). So any one saying "20cm" is guessing. The VAR refs just let the technology take over - it is not taken into consideration as you query

I think the margin for error thing comes with the inadequate 50fps that the cameras run at.
Pukkis goal was an incredible piece of skill exquisitely timed and executed, VAR could well end up costing Norwich a cool £100m.

 

[SB_90]

VAR checking offside must be abolished. i said at newcastle & then Watford. the shelvey goal has set a dangerous precedent of now ignoring the officials. if fleck goal had been given if basham arm was by his side it wouldve been. its would have been a goal i wouldnt have been comfortable with. today zaha & pukki offside are a joke. offside has always been judged by the body not the armpit or toenail. that var decision has cost Norwich a vital 2 pts

we are seemingly playing by a different set of rules to the rest of world & what we played for 150yrs & they said VAR will not be re refereeing games. but thats exactly what they are. the referee is no longer in charge, if premier league had any sense they would scrap var for offside while they still a product people want

 

[Ball_Sup (Phil)]

VAR checking offside must be abolished. i said at newcastle & then Watford. the shelvey goal has set a dangerous precedent of now ignoring the officials. if fleck goal had been given if basham arm was by his side it wouldve been. its would have been a goal i wouldnt have been comfortable with. today zaha & pukki offside are a joke. offside has always been judged by the body not the armpit or toenail. that var decision has cost Norwich a vital 2 pts

we are seemingly playing by a different set of rules to the rest of world & what we played for 150yrs & they said VAR will not be re refereeing games. but thats exactly what they are. the referee is no longer in charge, if premier league had any sense they would scrap var for offside while they still a product people want

Obvs, I understand that people may disagree with the law/rule. But, the VAR technology is implementing the law/rule. The so called Armpit is the law/rule in Sunday League Pub Football & the FIFA World Cup Final. Sheffield United have one of twenty votes at the Premier League table. And the outcome of that vote is the Premier League agreeing to use VAR. There is no external, it's them over there, Bogeyman. The Premier League is the Clubs. It's "us".

Video decisions are here to stay. You can't turn back time. The referee's whistle didn't used to have a pea in it......

 

[Blade in Cordoba]

The problem with VAR, in my opinion, is that it has negated an idea we have all become accustomed to (since 1990) that a player is not offside if they are level with the second last defending player. The technology allows for pixel-thin lines to be drawn to prove that players (or a part of their body) are judged to be millimetres ahead of a defender.
It is now almost impossible to be 'level'. Is that what we want?
To me this level of accuracy is appropriate for goal line calls or whether an offence takes place inside the penalty area, but in order to preserve the spirit of the offside law a degree of 'tolerance' ( as opposed to a margin of error) needs to be introduced.

 

[VictoryBlade]

Ok when I can be bothered I'll get a petition going...cant be bothered tonight!!!

 

[Cheesebored]

The

I think the margin for error thing comes with the inadequate 50fps that the cameras run at.
Pukkis goal was an incredible piece of skill exquisitely timed and executed, VAR could well end up costing Norwich a cool £100m.

Get the sentiment but their performances over 38 games is what could cost them ultimately.