Vaping in the ground

[Edgar Allan Poo]

I don’t disagree, but it’s just one of many harmful things that go into people’s bodies in various ways every day, quite a few of those being through personal choices. I drive a car with a petrol engine so undoubtedly have a detrimental effect on the health of others. That being the case, I would feel a bit of a wanker if I started whining about other people vaping. I detect some hypocrisy from a few posters on this thread.

Woo hoo, I'm a pedestrian who eats a high percentage of organic food - I get to whine!

Going in a plane later this year though - doh!!

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I don’t disagree, but it’s just one of many harmful things that go into people’s bodies in various ways every day, quite a few of those being through personal choices. I drive a car with a petrol engine so undoubtedly have a detrimental effect on the health of others. That being the case, I would feel a bit of a wanker if I started whining about other people vaping. I detect some hypocrisy from a few posters on this thread.

True. It's up to them ultimately, but as many things in life we do point out what other people are doing wrong. Luckily, I myself, don't do anything that could be criticised, being a universal role model for others.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Woo hoo, I'm a pedestrian who eats a high percentage of organic food - I get to whine!

Going in a plane later this year though - doh!!

Should really be travelling in a sailing boat, hand made by a non-profit collective, crafted from quinoa husks.

 

[gavtheblade]

WTF has happened to people? People old enough to remember darts, snooker balls, half Charlie's, bottles, etc being launched to and fro now mumping about a bit of a vape cloud. I don't smoke or vape but it doesn't bother me. We've turned into a bunch of fannies as a species.

This i like.
I like a toot on the old vape.
I try to do it when it's not going to infiltrate anyone else's private space.
I've not touched a fag in 12 years, and it's helped in that sense, but still struggle to enjoy my socialising without having something there. Once there's a beer in my hand that's it.
It's called habit, and I'm not embarrassed to say I still have the need for it.
If I fancy a drag, I go on the outdoor concourse, no harm there to others as long as it's not blown in someone's kipper.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Should really be travelling in a sailing boat, hand made by a non-profit collective, crafted from quinoa husks.

Actually I did contact the Just Stop Oil commune but they were at a yoghurt knitting seminar that they they all walked barefoot to apparently.

 

[Nick Jansky]

Actually I did contact the Just Stop Oil commune but they were at a yoghurt knitting seminar that they they all walked barefoot to apparently.

They weren’t. They were actually picketing a vape store.

 

[N20 Blade]

I don't mind
But I don't mind what anybody does around me

If they smoke, fine, doesn't bother me
If they vape, fine, doesn't bother me
If an aeroplane passes 35,000 ft above my head, fine, it doesn't bother me

If a car with a noisy exhaust and an oil leak passes me, fine, it doesn't bother me

There''s more things to worry about as far as I'm concerned

I'm more worried about beating Leeds for sure.

 

[Rob86]

I’m finding all this scare stories telling people the reasons and the health warnings about vaping most interesting.

I used to smoke 20 a day and couldn’t run, always had a bad chest, hacking cough, sore throat and smelt like a used ashtray and felt like a bit of a pariah as i always stank of fags.

I’ve vaped the last ten years. Now I can run long distances, train hard, I smell better, don’t have any of the associated problems that come with heavy smoking.

My Doctor isn’t that bothered about people vaping although said it hasn’t been through clinical trials. My dentist says the same, and I can usually vape quietly and discreetly without anyone really noticing or getting pissed off.

This is pretty much exactly what I was going to post !

I stopped 20 a day and switched to vaping during a 5-a-side season. I went from feeling like I needed oxygen after 5 minutes and very nearly passing out once to being able to get my breath back in line with my fitness level at the time.

I’m sure there could be some long term affects and I’m aware I’ve just shifted the problem, but it’s substantially less of a problem than smoking (at least for now)

 

[PokerBlade]

I’m finding all this scare stories telling people the reasons and the health warnings about vaping most interesting.

I used to smoke 20 a day and couldn’t run, always had a bad chest, hacking cough, sore throat and smelt like a used ashtray and felt like a bit of a pariah as i always stank of fags.

I’ve vaped the last ten years. Now I can run long distances, train hard, I smell better, don’t have any of the associated problems that come with heavy smoking.

My Doctor isn’t that bothered about people vaping although said it hasn’t been through clinical trials. My dentist says the same, and I can usually vape quietly and discreetly without anyone really noticing or getting pissed off.

We can't know what the long term effects of vaping are for definite yet. That said, we obviously can extrapolate from the around twenty years of it being fairly common place. And the one conclusion that can be drawn is that it's a huge harm reduction compared to tobacco in the short to medium term, and extremely likely over any longer term.

One of the big limitations here, or at least a big skew to be aware of, is that most of the data we have on the health of vapers is data on ex-smokers. For instance, COPD is much higher in vapers than the general population, but that's to be expected if almost all your vapers with COPD are of an age where they previously smoked for twenty years or more.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of the elements that have been shown to be likely harmful in vaping have been removed (EU legislation that came into force prior to Brexit). The horror that occurred in the US with a horrible lung condition spreading traced back to cannabis use and the acetates being used to make the liquid - that's not something that's ever been allowed here.

I try to be discreet about vaping but the other thing, for this thread generally, is that there doesn't appear to be passive vaping in the way there's passive smoking. I get it if people don't like the smell or whatever, but at a football ground you're outdoors. There's an awful lot of people in football grounds I hate to have to smell, look at, or especially listen to, but I'm not sure the extent to which my dislike of that warrants a blanket ban. A big part of me wants to say if you're worried about someone vaping nearby then wait till you find out about cars. There are many parts of the world where the cleanliness of the air is a legitimate concern and none of it is because somebody's got a menthol vape.

 

[fifty shades of blade]

Like many things, moderation. Vaping every other fckin minute like some people I see will lead to more problems than having a tug on it much less often. People need to have more self control.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Less dangerous than smoking still isn't a great selling point though. As adults whether we vape or not we should ask ourselves would we recommend it for our children and grandchildren?

Got on a train this week and a young lad got some hasty sucks on one of these things before he boarded. The train had arrived early though and the guard was hanging about on the platform so the lad nipped to the doorway to grab a couple more snorts to keep him going. That's just sad in my book.

It is sad, but that's addiction.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

We can't know what the long term effects of vaping are for definite yet. That said, we obviously can extrapolate from the around twenty years of it being fairly common place. And the one conclusion that can be drawn is that it's a huge harm reduction compared to tobacco in the short to medium term, and extremely likely over any longer term.

One of the big limitations here, or at least a big skew to be aware of, is that most of the data we have on the health of vapers is data on ex-smokers. For instance, COPD is much higher in vapers than the general population, but that's to be expected if almost all your vapers with COPD are of an age where they previously smoked for twenty years or more.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of the elements that have been shown to be likely harmful in vaping have been removed (EU legislation that came into force prior to Brexit). The horror that occurred in the US with a horrible lung condition spreading traced back to cannabis use and the acetates being used to make the liquid - that's not something that's ever been allowed here.

I try to be discreet about vaping but the other thing, for this thread generally, is that there doesn't appear to be passive vaping in the way there's passive smoking. I get it if people don't like the smell or whatever, but at a football ground you're outdoors. There's an awful lot of people in football grounds I hate to have to smell, look at, or especially listen to, but I'm not sure the extent to which my dislike of that warrants a blanket ban. A big part of me wants to say if you're worried about someone vaping nearby then wait till you find out about cars. There are many parts of the world where the cleanliness of the air is a legitimate concern and none of it is because somebody's got a menthol vape.

It's quite common for people to defend a bad habit by saying there are other or worse habits.

I know of someone who defended their smoking by saying crossing the road was dangerous. This person now has lung cancer.

 

[JJBlade]

We can't know what the long term effects of vaping are for definite yet. That said, we obviously can extrapolate from the around twenty years of it being fairly common place. And the one conclusion that can be drawn is that it's a huge harm reduction compared to tobacco in the short to medium term, and extremely likely over any longer term.

One of the big limitations here, or at least a big skew to be aware of, is that most of the data we have on the health of vapers is data on ex-smokers. For instance, COPD is much higher in vapers than the general population, but that's to be expected if almost all your vapers with COPD are of an age where they previously smoked for twenty years or more.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of the elements that have been shown to be likely harmful in vaping have been removed (EU legislation that came into force prior to Brexit). The horror that occurred in the US with a horrible lung condition spreading traced back to cannabis use and the acetates being used to make the liquid - that's not something that's ever been allowed here.

I try to be discreet about vaping but the other thing, for this thread generally, is that there doesn't appear to be passive vaping in the way there's passive smoking. I get it if people don't like the smell or whatever, but at a football ground you're outdoors. There's an awful lot of people in football grounds I hate to have to smell, look at, or especially listen to, but I'm not sure the extent to which my dislike of that warrants a blanket ban. A big part of me wants to say if you're worried about someone vaping nearby then wait till you find out about cars. There are many parts of the world where the cleanliness of the air is a legitimate concern and none of it is because somebody's got a menthol vape.

That's got to be counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of vapers are ex smokers, some even do both which I'll never understand

I personally don't know why anybody who was never a smoker would vape
But then again, I don't know why anybody who was once a non smoker would become one, it was the daftest thing I've ever done

These vices will always be there, it produces billions for the economy and anyone that blames vapers for the strain on the NHS is living in cloud cuckoo land
The biggest strain on the NHS is alcohol, and nothing else comes even close

 

[PokerBlade]

It's quite common for people to defend a bad habit by saying there are other or worse habits.

I know of someone who defended their smoking by saying crossing the road was dangerous. This person now has lung cancer.

It's true that something isn't justified merely because something else is worse. But that doesn't mean that effective harm reduction isn't an important thing to talk about. E-cigs have been effective at getting people off tobacco in a way that other methods haven't been. As I said, there's something of an open question about how harmful they might be but it's almost inconceivable that they could be on a par with cigarettes

That's got to be counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of vapers are ex smokers, some even do both which I'll never understand

I personally don't know why anybody who was never a smoker would vape
But then again, I don't know why anybody who was once a non smoker would become one, it was the daftest thing I've ever done

These vices will always be there, it produces billions for the economy and anyone that blames vapers for the strain on the NHS is living in cloud cuckoo land
The biggest strain on the NHS is alcohol, and nothing else comes even close

Ironically, if vapers are a drain on the NHS it'll be because they generate far less tax revenue than smokers. I'd wonder where obesity comes on the list of biggest drains too but it's none of my business if people eat a kebab too many.

Starting smoking was probably one of the thickest moves I've made in my life, and vaping has had me away from tobacco for probably ten years or so now. I doubt I'd have stopped without that alternative.

 

[FatPaul]

Wait, so vaping makes you Gay? What exactly are they putting in those things...?

V-haaaaaaaaaaype juice

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

It's true that something isn't justified merely because something else is worse. But that doesn't mean that effective harm reduction isn't an important thing to talk about. E-cigs have been effective at getting people off tobacco in a way that other methods haven't been. As I said, there's something of an open question about how harmful they might be but it's almost inconceivable that they could be on a par with cigarettes

Ironically, if vapers are a drain on the NHS it'll be because they generate far less tax revenue than smokers. I'd wonder where obesity comes on the list of biggest drains too but it's none of my business if people eat a kebab too many.

Starting smoking was probably one of the thickest moves I've made in my life, and vaping has had me away from tobacco for probably ten years or so now. I doubt I'd have stopped without that alternative.

I don't dispute the lesser of 2 evils theory and if it was just smokers wanting to quit that's progress. My concern is the sheer number of people (particularly the very young) filling their lungs with potentially dangerous chemicals.

I also agree about the perils of over eating and over eating the wrong things. Fortunately, to date, people aren't spitting their kebab juices or chicken biryani over me.

 

[Nick Jansky]

The biggest strain on the NHS is alcohol, and nothing else comes even close

Obesity is also a massive drain on the NHS. All those selfish fuckers exercising their personal choice to overeat so the rest of us can pay for the treatment of the many illnesses that result.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

That's got to be counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of vapers are ex smokers, some even do both which I'll never understand

Is that really a fact? It seems to be a thing done by more young people than middle aged, which just as a glance, wouldn't support that idea. Be into see some actual figures.

 

[Chimpan-A]

Thought this was announcing a modern day remix of “Smokin’ in the Boys Room” by Motley Crue.

 

[knowsnowt]

Uncle Susan tried vaping, but she's much happier with a fag in her gob.

 

[JJBlade]

Is that really a fact? It seems to be a thing done by more young people than middle aged, which just as a glance, wouldn't support that idea. Be into see some actual figures.

I don't know if it is true or not, but most people I have met that vape are doing it to stop smoking
You'd be surprised how young people are when they start smoking, if someone gets to age 18 without ever smoking there is a massive chance that they never will.

I'd suggest that most young people who vape have smoked before, why take the substitute when you can have the real thing. It's only when their conscience kicks in that they might switch to vaping

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I don't know if it is true or not, but most people I have met that vape are doing it to stop smoking
You'd be surprised how young people are when they start smoking, if someone gets to age 18 without ever smoking there is a massive chance that they never will.

I'd suggest that most young people who vape have smoked before, why take the substitute when you can have the real thing. It's only when their conscience kicks in that they might switch to vaping

I don't think they'll start on £8 a pack or whatever it is.
Is it that you meet older people who are ex smokers??
I feel sure majority started on vape. But, I'll hold my hands up and say it's nothing more than a guess based on looking around.
I have been wrong before, but very, very rarely.

 

[100% part time blade]

Apparently close to 10% of secondary school kids vape - more have tried it, that’s the number doing it regularly.

NHS Report

Schools are taking an increasingly hard line on it, as research found that out of 600 confiscated vapes that were tested, 100 of them contained Spice.

Hansard Record

 

[knowsnowt]

Apparently close to 10% of secondary school kids vape - more have tried it, that’s the number doing it regularly.

NHS Report

Schools are taking an increasingly hard line on it, as research found that out of 600 confiscated vapes that were tested, 100 of them contained Spice.

Hansard Record

Do you actually believe that?

 

[100% part time blade]

Do you actually believe that?

Which bit - how many kids vape, or how many confiscated vapes contained Spice in the research?

 

[jt64]

Anyone who vapes in a public place is a selfish cunt who couldn’t give two shits about the world around them. Same with smokers. A drain on resources of the NHS and yes they pay tax but we they cost the NHS far more in smoking related illnesses than they fund. Smoking of any kind should have been banned decades ago.

They probably save the country more in unpaid pensions than they cost the NHS

 

[knowsnowt]

Which bit - how many kids vape, or how many confiscated vapes contained Spice in the research?

The bollocks about spice.

 

[100% part time blade]

The bollocks about spice.

I don’t think it means the vapes were full of Spice, or that it means 1 in 6 of the kids with a vape are Spice heads

But yes I believe the researchers took 600 confiscated vapes from 38 schools and found traces of Spice in 100 of those they had in front of them. The alternative is that they just made it up or their methods were terrible with lots of cross-contamination or something. I don’t think either of those are likely, although they’re not impossible.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Been about 8 days vape free. Its easier than you think. Just do it. Fuck those Chinese, fog inducing dildos.

ARGOS.

 

[knowsnowt]

I don’t think it means the vapes were full of Spice, or that it means 1 in 6 of the kids with a vape are Spice heads

But yes I believe the researchers took 600 confiscated vapes from 38 schools and found traces of Spice in 100 of those they had in front of them. The alternative is that they just made it up or their methods were terrible with lots of cross-contamination or something. I don’t think either of those are likely, although they’re not impossible.

There's zero reason anyone would spike a vape with spice. Even in small doses.
The only possibility is that these were home filled vapes. And as far as profititibility goes, and actually even bothering at all it makes no sense.
It's scaremongering of the worst kind.
Personally I'd call it utter bullshit.