Vaping in the ground

[Grey Blade]

Not a chance. They die, on average, 10 years earlier - saving the country an absolute fortune. The numbers aren't even close.

When I read this, I thought 'this can't be right' so I looked for evidence, I found this article which backs it up:

Death and Taxes: Why longer lives cost money

Summary: The British population is getting older. In 1948, life expectancy was 68. Thanks to healthier lifestyles and medical advances, … Continue reading "Death and Taxes: Why longer lives cost money"

iea.org.uk

I haven't looked at anything beyond this summary but on a purely financial level it's possibly true.
Having said that, having seen an uncle die of lung cancer (in his 50s), looking like he'd spent several months in a concentration camp, I wouldn't wish it on anyone - whether it saved the state money or not.
I suppose in the end it's all down to quality of life and in many ways I would let people do what they choose - with the proviso it has no detrimental effect on anyone else. Personally I don't like second hand tobacco smoke or vape and diesel/petrol fumes but if people can produce these with no effect on anyone else, so be it - but they can't

 

[Nick Jansky]

It’s suppose it’s fair enough if you’re not ‘personally’ bothered. You can always say there’s more things to be worried about so virtually ‘nothing’ but the inevitable death of the universe matters .

However, air pollution is very important in almost any thoughtful discussion of health (and this is not a direct pop at vapers btw). I could say I’m not bothered about wars, or kids carrying knives, or pig fans saying horrible things, because it doesn’t seem to impact directly on me, and there are more important things. Here is an extract from the intro of one of very many links about air pollution:

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Source:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/health-matters-air-pollution/health-matters-air-pollution

Globally:

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The obvious place to start is banning petrol & diesel vehicles, then.

 

[Bartleby]

The obvious place to start is banning petrol & diesel vehicles, then.

While the US continues to "drill baby drill".

 

[Loco Blade]

Makes a refreshing change from Columbian marching powder being snorted on SS

 

[Nickydblade]

The obvious place to start is banning petrol & diesel vehicles, then.

I assume you say that as a throwaway ‘well no point bringing it up then’ comment. Apologies if I have misinterpreted that, and ignore everything below.

If that is what you do mean, then I don’t think anyone has seriously advocated just ‘banning’ these things. However you may have come across a global movement led primarily by scientific evidence that trying to shift away from certain sorts of human behaviour towards others could have many benefits for the planet and the vast majority of the people, primarily the poorest in both UK and global populations.

Reducing a reliance on fossil fuels, encouraging people not to smoke, and on a much smaller scale ideally not to vape (as far as we know this is much less dangerous than smoking, especially to those passively taking it in, so if it helps people quit smoking then that seems a positive). I don’t see the debate tbh.

Reminder that my reply was to a post about ‘not caring’ about any if this. That is a perfectly valid opinion to have, but others may disagree.

 

[The Crab]

Few people around me in the John Street stand that vape during the ge and it pisses me off too.
Stewards are useless and prefer to stand in the way of the stairs instead.
3 blokes easily in their 40s/50s smoking a cigarette in the toilets at the Portsmouth game last weekend too.

Can people really not go 2 hours without?

They could, but they won’t because they’re fucking selfish

 

[VLYDONIMIR]

Personally I try to take a puff every 30 seconds.

That was ''Lydon's'' Saturday night in Dempseys.

 

[The Crab]

Just dummy's for adults really aren't they.

Pathetic.

 

[VLYDONIMIR]

That was ''Lydon's'' Saturday night in Dempseys.

People just look gormless sucking on big lumps of plastic before blowing their sweet sickly.....

That was ''Lydon's'' Friday night in Le Chambre.

 

[VLYDONIMIR]

I'm delighted that the OP hit the 'V' key and not the 'R'....

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I'm delighted that the OP hit the 'V' key and not the 'R'....

So am I.

I'm all for it.

Should have a vaping section in every stand.

 

[VLYDONIMIR]

I once told a supporter in front of me to stop vaping, it was playing havoc with my sense of smell.
Thankfully, I no longer have to deal with him vaping in front of me anymore, as he beat my face to a pulp, broke my nose in eighteen places and now I can barely see the match through the haze akin to a Sisters Of Mercy gig.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Read this thread. Don't vape at my seat, vaping made quitting smoking easy. Realised I probably vape too much. Decided to quit last Friday after reading. It is disgusting and whilst I started on bland e cigs, the past few months I moved onto the fruity, Chinese disposable ones. Don't enjoy it. Been pretty easy so far. Will keep going. I hate being a slave.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Read this thread. Don't vape at my seat, vaping made quitting smoking easy. Realised I probably vape too much. Decided to quit last Friday after reading. It is disgusting and whilst I started on bland e cigs, the past few months I moved onto the fruity, Chinese disposable ones. Don't enjoy it. Been pretty easy so far. Will keep going. I hate being a slave.

 

[dingledog]

Banned in Singapore before it even got off the ground.

Anything that involves forcing others to inhale against their will should be banned.

Reinforced by 6 lashes of the cane for non-compliance.

Or have I been here too long now?

Seems reasonable. I did some work in Oman and the standard contract for Omani workers said they could be beaten providing it didn't put them in Hospital for more than 7 days. There was no absenteeism and people didn't shirk at their jobs, I can't imagine why.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Seems reasonable. I did some work in Oman and the standard contract for Omani workers said they could be beaten providing it didn't put them in Hospital for more than 7 days. There was no absenteeism and people didn't shirk at their jobs, I can't imagine why.

All that darned paperwork if they're in hospital more than 7 days no doubt.

 

[dingledog]

All that darned paperwork if they're in hospital more than 7 days no doubt.

I never found out what happened if they died before the 7 days were up.....

 

[knowsnowt]

Disposable vapes are the work of the devil. Personally I vape 3mg. Disposables come mostly in 20mg and less rarely 10mg. These strong vapes are designed to keep people hooked on nicotine. Try buying a 3mg disposable vape, you can't, so people can't easily wean themselves off them.
Personally I make all my own liquids, and never vape above 3mg. Mostly I vape 1 - 2mg.
The market really isn't designed to help people quit inhaling nicotine. There's no profit in that.

 

[Zipwire]

I’m finding all this scare stories telling people the reasons and the health warnings about vaping most interesting.

I used to smoke 20 a day and couldn’t run, always had a bad chest, hacking cough, sore throat and smelt like a used ashtray and felt like a bit of a pariah as i always stank of fags.

I’ve vaped the last ten years. Now I can run long distances, train hard, I smell better, don’t have any of the associated problems that come with heavy smoking.

My Doctor isn’t that bothered about people vaping although said it hasn’t been through clinical trials. My dentist says the same, and I can usually vape quietly and discreetly without anyone really noticing or getting pissed off.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

I’m finding all this scare stories telling people the reasons and the health warnings about vaping most interesting.

I used to smoke 20 a day and couldn’t run, always had a bad chest, hacking cough, sore throat and smelt like a used ashtray and felt like a bit of a pariah as i always stank of fags.

I’ve vaped the last ten years. Now I can run long distances, train hard, I smell better, don’t have any of the associated problems that come with heavy smoking.

My Doctor isn’t that bothered about people vaping although said it hasn’t been through clinical trials. My dentist says the same, and I can usually vape quietly and discreetly without anyone really noticing or getting pissed off.

It's got to be better than smoking, for a way out from that it seems a good idea.
I'm far from sure for all those who just started vaping, without it being a way to get off cigs.
Surely manmade flavouring chemicals going in your lungs for years will have some effect?

 

[HackeyBlade]

I like to have 4 or 5 different flavour vapes on rotation just so I cover the whole spectrum of smells

 

[robbiez666]

As a former smoker who has never vaped but tried e-cigs, I'd much rather smell cigarettes than be engulfed by a perfume of aniseed. Using an e-cigs was more like smoking a joint (so I'm told) than a cigarette, in terms of how hard you had to breathe in. Knackered your throat. Seemed like a throat cancer accident waiting to happen.

 

[Russ]

Someone in front of me did it. Steward spotted him and had a word with him. He stopped for a minute. Then he carried on again. Perhaps vapes also cause issues with your short term memory as well.

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

It's got to be better than smoking, for a way out from that it seems a good idea.
I'm far from sure for all those who just started vaping, without it being a way to get off cigs.
Surely manmade flavouring chemicals going in your lungs for years will have some effect?

Less dangerous than smoking still isn't a great selling point though. As adults whether we vape or not we should ask ourselves would we recommend it for our children and grandchildren?

Got on a train this week and a young lad got some hasty sucks on one of these things before he boarded. The train had arrived early though and the guard was hanging about on the platform so the lad nipped to the doorway to grab a couple more snorts to keep him going. That's just sad in my book.

 

[LudlamBlade]

Lot of people on here very preoccupied with what other people are doing.

If it's blown in your face, then yes, ask the person to stop.

If it's not, then maybe hold off with the judgments?

So far we've had "stupid", "sad", "pathetic" and even "gay" - would love to see how much everyone spends on beer, fatty foods, takeaways in general, gambling, porn etc.

Those without sin etc...

 

[BladeByChoice]

Disposable vapes are the work of the devil. Personally I vape 3mg. Disposables come mostly in 20mg and less rarely 10mg. These strong vapes are designed to keep people hooked on nicotine. Try buying a 3mg disposable vape, you can't, so people can't easily wean themselves off them.
Personally I make all my own liquids, and never vape above 3mg. Mostly I vape 1 - 2mg.
The market really isn't designed to help people quit inhaling nicotine. There's no profit in that.

Absolutely correct,

I smoked for over 30 years and tried the usual gum/patches nothing worked until vaping.

I vaped tobacco flavour at the strength of my cigarette brand and cut this down to 0% nicotine over 6 months then quit vaping, I also only vaped where I was allowed to smoke.

Non-smoker for 5 years now because vaping works as a quit tool, but as knowsnowt says no profit in that.

Selling nicotine free fluids in sweet flavours to a target audience of kids for profit is just plain evil.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Lot of people on here very preoccupied with what other people are doing.

If it's blown in your face, then yes, ask the person to stop.

If it's not, then maybe hold off with the judgments?

So far we've had "stupid", "sad", "pathetic" and even "gay" - would love to see how much everyone spends on beer, fatty foods, takeaways in general, gambling, porn etc.

Those without sin etc...

Indeed

That's nothing, the woman in front of me had 8 packets of crisps!

EIGHT!

McCoys as well, proper hefty crisps.

Impressive feat, but I couldn't get the smell of beef & onion out of my nose for hours afterwards

 

[Nick Jansky]

Surely manmade flavouring chemicals going in your lungs for years will have some effect?

Anyone who doesn’t exist exclusively on organic food is taking a shitload of chemicals into their bodies every time they eat. Processed food is unhealthy shite. I assume anyone complaining about the possible effects of 2nd hand vape is meticulous about everything they eat & drink. If they’re not, I don’t really have any sympathy with them.

I’m not a vaper, by the way.

 

[Greasy Chap Butty]

Anyone who doesn’t exist exclusively on organic food is taking a shitload of chemicals into their bodies every time they eat. Processed food is unhealthy shite. I assume anyone complaining about the possible effects of 2nd hand vape is meticulous about everything they eat & drink. If they’re not, I don’t really have any sympathy with them.

I’m not a vaper, by the way.

I mean the person doing it, not second hand. I'm not sure these vaporised chemicals going into the vapers lungs is good long-term.

 

[Nick Jansky]

I mean the person doing it, not second hand. I'm not sure these vaporised chemicals going into the vapers lungs is good long-term.

I don’t disagree, but it’s just one of many harmful things that go into people’s bodies in various ways every day, quite a few of those being through personal choices. I drive a car with a petrol engine so undoubtedly have a detrimental effect on the health of others. That being the case, I would feel a bit of a wanker if I started whining about other people vaping. I detect some hypocrisy from a few posters on this thread.