Unrealistic ambitions

[Danny_Blade]

Which scuppers the FFP argument. As I said ways around it.

There probably are ways around it as some clubs appear to have done so, but even if McCabe and the Prince are willing to take that sort of gamble the club doesn't even have the finances to go beyond the FFP boundaries anyway, hilarious isn't it!

Unfortunately for us it looks like we'll just have to try and gain promotion through sheer hard graft and maybe a bit of luck.

 

[Fraggle Blade]

I have no idea who paid the £200 mill.......it was arranged via Neymars lawyers and his dad.

I think Barca's arguement was how on earth could PSG comply with the rules when they have bought a player for that much...

 

[mancunianblade]

Presumably PSG paid Neymar. How would that enable them to skirt FFP rules?

A foundation in Qatar paid him to be an ambassador for the World Cup, the foundation head just so happens to own PSG. Every single element of it is bent and wrong and disgusting.. PSG only supposed involvement was signing an unattached player.

That's if this is how it ended up playing out but it seems it did


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....neymar-psg-fc-barcelona-buys-out-own-contract

 

[super_pig]

ffp is an attempt to prevent man city and psg from spoiling the party and status quo

 

[Bladesman]

A foundation in Qatar paid him to be an ambassador for the World Cup, the foundation head just so happens to own PSG. Every single element of it is bent and wrong and disgusting.. PSG only supposed involvement was signing an unattached player.

That's if this is how it ended up playing out but it seems it did


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....neymar-psg-fc-barcelona-buys-out-own-contract

Also a good way of PSG getting the player they want without actually having to have a bid accepted by Barcelona. I am sure it's still classed as tapping up though, somehow.

 

[mancunianblade]

Also a good way of PSG getting the player they want without actually having to have a bid accepted by Barcelona. I am sure it's still classed as tapping up though, somehow.

I am sure there will be some major issues. I mean tax for starters.

 

[Hartley Hare]

Whilst we're owned by a Sheffield builder

More like a tax exiled multi-millionaire property developer.

HH

 

[Sean Thornton]

A foundation in Qatar paid him to be an ambassador for the World Cup, the foundation head just so happens to own PSG. Every single element of it is bent and wrong and disgusting.. PSG only supposed involvement was signing an unattached player.

That's if this is how it ended up playing out but it seems it did


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....neymar-psg-fc-barcelona-buys-out-own-contract

Jesus. There's contrived and contrived.

 

[Sean Thornton]

More like a tax exiled multi-millionaire property developer.

HH

Not a tax exile anymore.

 

[Hartley Hare]

Must have run out of money then..........

HH

 

[Cerberus Blade]

There are many people on here, expecting to walk or do better then we currently are at this level, but unfortunately that's extremely unrealistic. Why? because it's not the same league as it was 6 years ago, it's not the same league where you can get James Beattie for £4 million. Its changed. It's now the league where it's an extension of the premier league, where teams (including us) have champions league winners (Jamal Blackman) where teams that get relegated from the Premier league aren't at risk of administration due to the TV rights and parachute payments from the Premier league, finally it's now a league where people would rather play for wolves, than Porto.

We have to get realistic, the owners can't invest money into the club for transfers due to the financial FairPlay rules, you can only spend want you gain through revenue, investment from the owners is a gift and not seen as revenue, while parachute payments are seen as revenue.

So what are we? Honestly, we are still of top league one standards, the step up is massive, with teams spending up to £80million on players, we can't expect to compete with them. There is a few on here who say the club isn't meeting Wilder's ambitions, that might be true, but realistically, even with the money through Walker's and Maguire's transfer, we can't expect to buy or attract enough or good enough players to make this team a challenging team for top half of the table. Also, it is very likely that revenue from the two transfers was absorbed straight into the club and has already been spent.

I'm not saying we're destined for relegation, but this league won't be easy, and we can't boss our way around it like we did in league one. Just stay hopefully.

UTB!!!
Have a good one.

They said the same about Huddersfield. It's human v human. 11 of them. Do you believe that putting a £10m price tag on one makes them a better player than another?

I think it's a bit like the price of wine. Above a certain price point it becomes less about quality and more about availability. Spotting the next best vintage now and holding onto it is key.

I'll have a Chateaux de Brooks please!

 

[Brian Blessed]

When Chelsea won in 2012, they had a tonne of injuries and suspension, and had to turn to the youth team and Jamal Blackman for the final, and therefore has a Champions league winning medal.

Did Blackman change his name from Ross Turnbull then? Because that was their sub keeper in that final. Also, you say they turned to the youth team but the only young player they had in their entire squad was Romeu and he cost them €5m. They didn't have any youth team players in the squad whatsoever, if you want to labour the point they played Ryan Bertrand for his Champs League debut but he was nearly 23.

 

[JayGreen17]

There are many people on here, expecting to walk or do better then we currently are at this level, but unfortunately that's extremely unrealistic. Why? because it's not the same league as it was 6 years ago, it's not the same league where you can get James Beattie for £4 million. Its changed. It's now the league where it's an extension of the premier league, where teams (including us) have champions league winners (Jamal Blackman) where teams that get relegated from the Premier league aren't at risk of administration due to the TV rights and parachute payments from the Premier league, finally it's now a league where people would rather play for wolves, than Porto.

We have to get realistic, the owners can't invest money into the club for transfers due to the financial FairPlay rules, you can only spend want you gain through revenue, investment from the owners is a gift and not seen as revenue, while parachute payments are seen as revenue.

So what are we? Honestly, we are still of top league one standards, the step up is massive, with teams spending up to £80million on players, we can't expect to compete with them. There is a few on here who say the club isn't meeting Wilder's ambitions, that might be true, but realistically, even with the money through Walker's and Maguire's transfer, we can't expect to buy or attract enough or good enough players to make this team a challenging team for top half of the table. Also, it is very likely that revenue from the two transfers was absorbed straight into the club and has already been spent.

I'm not saying we're destined for relegation, but this league won't be easy, and we can't boss our way around it like we did in league one. Just stay hopefully.

UTB!!!
Have a good one.

I don't think anyone is suggesting we spend anything like the clubs you mentioned, however a club this size with a relatively good revenue stream should be spending 8-10m.... the facts are we are currently showing no intention of any sort of major investment in the team of that size, and I have to say it, but Wilders comments are sounding increasingly leaning towards suggesting that he has the ambition and he"just doesn't want to do ok" to me this is a message to the board to say pull your finger out and back me.

If they don't then we will lose the best manager we have had in a decade, with it the best chance of being a top 6 side in this division.

If these chairman cant back him they need to find someone who will.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we spend anything like the clubs you mentioned, however a club this size with a relatively good revenue stream should be spending 8-10m.... the facts are we are currently showing no intention of any sort of major investment in the team of that size, and I have to say it, but Wilders comments are sounding increasingly leaning towards suggesting that he has the ambition and he"just doesn't want to do ok" to me this is a message to the board to say pull your finger out and back me.

If they don't then we will lose the best manager we have had in a decade, with it the best chance of being a top 6 side in this division.

If these chairman cant back him they need to find someone who will.

The revenue stream isn't going to provide anywhere near £8-£10m for transfers. Not a chance. That sort of money will only come from owners further investment.

 

[Liverpool blade]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we spend anything like the clubs you mentioned, however a club this size with a relatively good revenue stream should be spending 8-10m.... the facts are we are currently showing no intention of any sort of major investment in the team of that size, and I have to say it, but Wilders comments are sounding increasingly leaning towards suggesting that he has the ambition and he"just doesn't want to do ok" to me this is a message to the board to say pull your finger out and back me.

If they don't then we will lose the best manager we have had in a decade, with it the best chance of being a top 6 side in this division.

If these chairman cant back him they need to find someone who will.

I hate to say it but I've a feeling you're 100% spot on with that post. If wilder left us-- it would be totally devastating for us fans!!. I M H O.

 

[JayGreen17]

The revenue stream isn't going to provide anywhere near £8-£10m for transfers. Not a chance. That sort of money will only come from owners further investment.[/QUOTE

Or player sell on fees that we have received or like you say owner investment, if the owners can't put this sort of money in then 1. They should sell up, or 2. Be brutally honest with the fans and say we will be a lower end champ top end league 1 side for the foresable future....

It's ok Mcabe saying we have ambition, I have ambition to move to the south of France but without putting the money in it's never going to happen.

Don't get me wrong I'm nit saying we should be spending 10-15m every season, but the business we have done .......so far, isn't really acceptable, obviously this may change before the window closes, the signs don't suggest that however.

Thank god fir Wilder.....

 

[Pollingtonblade]

They said the same about Huddersfield. It's human v human. 11 of them. Do you believe that putting a £10m price tag on one makes them a better player than another?

I think it's a bit like the price of wine. Above a certain price point it becomes less about quality and more about availability. Spotting the next best vintage now and holding onto it is key.

I'll have a Chateaux de Brooks please!

Whereas Wilder is trying to buy a decent drop from Aldi?

 

[HVR]

If people are happy to not get relegated – finish fourth from bottom – as I am for this season. Then look back to last year's table at Notts Forest:

21] Nottingham Forest - 46 - 14 - 9 - 23 - 62 - 72 - 51

So we have to clap the Blades off in defeat only another 21 times! And only have 13 more chances left to cheer them in victory. Plus 68 conceded goals to put our head in our hands.

OK I'm not being negative, but that is the type of season we could have if we avoid relegation - and we have to cheer them to 17th place.

Obviously I would love us to finish higher (top 10 would be brilliant) but take note that even Brentford, who finished 10th in 2017 lost 18 games, and Huddersfield who got promoted lost 15.

 

[finlaytheblade]

There probably are ways around it as some clubs appear to have done so, but even if McCabe and the Prince are willing to take that sort of gamble the club doesn't even have the finances to go beyond the FFP boundaries anyway, hilarious isn't it!

Unfortunately for us it looks like we'll just have to try and gain promotion through sheer hard graft and maybe a bit of luck.

Isn't that the best way to build a team like Burnley& Huddersfield do it the right way.
We'd have a problem now ! weaknesses they are finding hard to cover as fish .man can't put a ny more money in .They would get an embargo stopping them buying players.We are doing it right staying within the rules with clever transfer deals.
Wilder and the owners are on the same page. Patience !!

 

[Houston_Blade]

If Neymar was a free agent how come Barcelona banked £200m ?

Each sponsorship deal is now investigated to see if it's commercially realistic. Which is where the Pigs could come a cropper.

I think Forest could end up in the proverbial for this as well. I seem to remember the "Fawaz" sponsorship being announced as a £0.5bn deal at the time but no one was sure over which time period. For a proper arms length sponsorship deal of a Championship club it would have to be a considerable number of years and Fawaz has been replaced by 888 Bet this year so surely someone at the EFL needs to look into this?!

 

[Liverpool blade]

I think Forest could end up in the proverbial for this as well. I seem to remember the "Fawaz" sponsorship being announced as a £0.5bn deal at the time but no one was sure over which time period. For a proper arms length sponsorship deal of a Championship club it would have to be a considerable number of years and Fawaz has been replaced by 888 Bet this year so surely someone at the EFL needs to look into this?!

They probably already have!. As we all know it's different rules for different clubs!!. If that had been us? They would have hit us hard with fines ect. I M O.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Boom and bust is not the way to go obviously we have a plan and building on what we have is the way we are going to go .We have a decent squad and Wilder knows what's needed to get us to the next level.Why don't we leave him. to get on with it ,he obviously has the backing of the owners ,they don't want to lose him anymore than us as fans.We are not going to get in the situation Wednesday are in ,take a step back and smell the coffee players will come in before the window closed but not for mega bucks

 

[Sean Thornton]

I'm quite sure McCabe has ambition, and not just to get his money back. Who knows how much they have available for investment?

Bear in mind if little or nothing happens by the deadline, we're going to be revisiting this at length. Let's wait and see before making a judgement, even taking into account past disappointments.

 

[raimond]

It's hard to argue against it when they're dangling a winners medal in front of you. He's listed amongst the winners and has the medal to prove it.


But I agree. At one time you had to play a minimum of 10 games to get a League Champions medal. I think Chelsea gave medals to half a dozen players who couldn't manage 10 games between them.

Nah pal, it's dead easy.

He didn't play.

There you go

 

[Balham]

The FFP bit.

What's Brentford revenue stream?

Aston Villa: they paid £15m for Scott Hogan in January

Bristol City's?

Aston Villa again; another £15m but this time for Jonathan Kodija

Wednesdays?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Parachute payments and rich owners? Pah. Consider these for a moment:

If Villa don't go up this season they are royally fucked. They will then be on their last season of parachute payments and shitting themselves with a premier league budget and no more premier league payments. They'll be offloading their high earners quicker than you can say John Terry.

Ditto the pigs. Chancer didn't make his money by being a fool. He's played his cards already and isn't going to be piling any more money in just to boost their idiot fans' egos. Look out for him cutting his losses soon, and the pigs offloading the likes of Rhodes in their end of season firesale.

The Brentford wannabes are splashing the cash and building a new ground. Saw nowt in them at the Lane and the way they have played since makes relegation more likely than promotion. They could well be taking a £30m+ debt into League 1 with the proceeds of gates of 6k to pay it back.

Forest, perennial failures, splashing the cash again blah blah blah I could go on and on. Only 3 clubs are going up and assuming there's going to be a Huddersfield type amongst them, that means only 2 teams are going to get a return on their investment. This means a lot are going to be up shit street and serves 'em fucking right.

Careful what you wish for guys.

 

[BushBlade]

Parachute payments and rich owners? Pah. Consider these for a moment:

If Villa don't go up this season they are royally fucked. They will then be on their last season of parachute payments and shitting themselves with a premier league budget and no more premier league payments. They'll be offloading their high earners quicker than you can say John Terry.

Ditto the pigs. Chancer didn't make his money by being a fool. He's played his cards already and isn't going to be piling any more money in just to boost their idiot fans' egos. Look out for him cutting his losses soon, and the pigs offloading the likes of Rhodes in their end of season firesale.

The Brentford wannabes are splashing the cash and building a new ground. Saw nowt in them at the Lane and the way they have played since makes relegation more likely than promotion. They could well be taking a £30m+ debt into League 1 with the proceeds of gates of 6k to pay it back.

Forest, perennial failures, splashing the cash again blah blah blah I could go on and on. Only 3 clubs are going up and assuming there's going to be a Huddersfield type amongst them, that means only 2 teams are going to get a return on their investment. This means a lot are going to be up shit street and serves 'em fucking right.

Careful what you wish for guys.

I think Villa will have two more years on reduced parachute payments and Forest have just been taken over but essentially, I agree. Just like the PL has seven clubs fighting for the four CL places, the championship has eight or nine clubs investing heavily to get promoted and nine into three doesn't fit.

Look at Derby, years of spending since Clough was sacked and, like others, they came close once and missed out. I remember posting about Brentford when we were both in L1 and they were smashing it under Rosler and then Warburton, saying I wonder if Benham will still be as eager to throw his money at them when they're stuck in the championship for a few years, losing millions every season.

It's only a matter of time before there's another Portsmouth, a club sold to genuinely dodgy people. What people can forget is that even if McCabe sold out to a decent owner, that owner may get tired of losing money and sell us to a SISU, just to get the loss making club off his books.

 

[YES Blade]

Did Blackman change his name from Ross Turnbull then? Because that was their sub keeper in that final. Also, you say they turned to the youth team but the only young player they had in their entire squad was Romeu and he cost them €5m. They didn't have any youth team players in the squad whatsoever, if you want to labour the point they played Ryan Bertrand for his Champs League debut but he was nearly 23.

It amazed me when people go on an internet forum and make claims like "Blackman was on the bench for Chelsea in the Champions League Final", it took me literally less than a minute to check that it was bollocks!

 

[BushBlade]

It amazed me when people go on an internet forum and make claims like "Blackman was on the bench for Chelsea in the Champions League Final", it took me literally less than a minute to check that it was bollocks!

It amazes me that people argue over a bit of inaccurate hyperbole when its inaccuracy doesn't really detract from the overall point the poster is making.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

I think Villa will have two more years on reduced parachute payments and Forest have just been taken over but essentially, I agree. Just like the PL has seven clubs fighting for the four CL places, the championship has eight or nine clubs investing heavily to get promoted and nine into three doesn't fit.

Look at Derby, years of spending since Clough was sacked and, like others, they came close once and missed out. I remember posting about Brentford when we were both in L1 and they were smashing it under Rosler and then Warburton, saying I wonder if Benham will still be as eager to throw his money at them when they're stuck in the championship for a few years, losing millions every season.

It's only a matter of time before there's another Portsmouth, a club sold to genuinely dodgy people. What people can forget is that even if McCabe sold out to a decent owner, that owner may get tired of losing money and sell us to a SISU, just to get the loss making club off his books.

Totally agree!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - for all his colossal fuck ups, McCabe is damn sight better than a large proportion of the owners out there. I have a good mate who's a Blackburn fan and those guys really do have some horror stories. I also work with a Portsmouth fan (who are actually as deluded as them over in S6) and he claims all the turmoil was worth it for the FA Cup win as if the two are mutually exclusive and two sides of the same coin...

Hopefully McCabe takes a look at Bill Kenwright at Everton and has a similar view in that although he's keen on foreign investment, he'll make sure its structured in such a way it doesn't leave the club totally at the mercy of some rich Johnny Foreigner's whims and mood swings.