United World

[SheepdipBlade]

Does anyone know whether parachute payments that in other circumstances would stay in Bramall Lane are being diverted elsewhere - specifically to Beerschott?

Just hearing stuff on the grapevine. Dunno if there's anything behind it.

 

[Bladesman]

It is all being diverted to my bank account.

pulls off mask to reveal Kevin McCabe's face

 

[Sean Thornton]

Does anyone know whether parachute payments that in other circumstances would stay in Bramall Lane are being diverted elsewhere - specifically to Beerschott?

Just hearing stuff on the grapevine. Dunno if there's anything behind it.

When the accounts come out, they should tell you. The claim was made last year and was shown to be false.

 

[Bladeinleeds]

I don’t think they are being ‘diverted’ anywhere.

We probably still owe over 40/50m in instalments for the likes of berge, mcburnie and Brewster (and whatever we still owed on ramsdale)

We are in the league below, seems sensible to cut our cloth accordingly rather than being forced too in a year or so.

 

[Scarebus]

Prince is lining his pockets with it.

 

[Rodley]

Heard it’s going into the back pocket of some geezer in Belgium called Cool E. Barry. Though I might of misheard it.

 

[stringer]

Does anyone know whether parachute payments that in other circumstances would stay in Bramall Lane are being diverted elsewhere

More likely to Macquarie.

 

[Silent Blade]

When the accounts come out

The accounts usually come out in early December so is there a reason for the delay?

 

[Sean Thornton]

The accounts usually come out in early December so is there a reason for the delay?

No filing requirement until March. No other shareholders to worry about., All up to HRH.

 

[Snowflake]

Prince is lining his pockets with it.

Be very careful : that may be libellous

 

[Scarebus]

Be very careful : that may be libellous

Got a long list of people before me who actually believe it. I've looked at Uniteds accounts, I know it's a desperate statement from the anti prince mob.

 

[Yogi]

Does anyone know whether parachute payments that in other circumstances would stay in Bramall Lane are being diverted elsewhere - specifically to Beerschott?

Just hearing stuff on the grapevine. Dunno if there's anything behind it.

As deadbat has said there’s no way of hiding it if it was happening. Only way to do it would be if assets most likely players changed hands in exchange for that money but as all transfers between the two clubs have gone from united to beerschot I’d say the chances are pretty slim any money from united is going to beerschot. The princes own private money well he can do what he pleases with that.

 

[Westran]

I'm sure I remember seeing the terms of a loan United had taken out, the terms are in the public domain and they basically set out that all the money we receive from parachute payments, as part of the loan agreement, would be paid directly to the loan company to repay the debt.

Not sure what the loan was for, got a vague recollection of it being to repay the outstanding payments owed on player fees.

 

[Sean Thornton]

As deadbat has said there’s no way of hiding it if it was happening. Only way to do it would be if assets most likely players changed hands in exchange for that money but as all transfers between the two clubs have gone from united to beerschot I’d say the chances are pretty slim any money from united is going to beerschot. The princes own private money well he can do what he pleases with that.

Still transactions between linked companies. The accounting rules are a bit more stringent than that.

 

[Yogi]

Still transactions between linked companies. The accounting rules are a bit more stringent than that.

Yeah I didn’t mean it as in anything underhand going on just that to do it legitimately or even at all united would have to pay going rate for enough players to account for the parachute payments money. In reality there’s no way for owners to take money out of football clubs asset stripping isn’t a thing anymore.

 

[PurpleRain]

If money was or is diverted to Beerschot I can certainly testify they wasted it on a bunch of crap and cripple. We are also wondering to who they are diverting our money. We have bar 1 the lowest wage budget in the league yet we are in top 8 for ticket income and last season we were third for pay per view watchers on televised games. Where’s our munneh gone? Certainly not used to strengthen the team. Probably some expensive people in Switzerland working for the group…

 

[PurpleRain]

On our fan forum someone made the comparison with the Pacific group who own Barnsley, Oostende, Nancy and some other small clubs. All of them are bottom or near bottom of the league. Fans at Nancy are organizing protests. They sign crap players. All players (and manager) who show quality (mainly in Oostende) are sold and funds are diverted to the owners. Apart from realizing successful outgoing transfers, the story does look very similar to our story. Basically they don’t care about sportive ambitions and are only there to gamble with cheap foreign players and hope to make huge quick profits on transfers.

 

[Yogi]

On our fan forum someone made the comparison with the Pacific group who own Barnsley, Oostende, Nancy and some other small clubs. All of them are bottom or near bottom of the league. Fans at Nancy are organizing protests. They sign crap players. All players (and manager) who show quality (mainly in Oostende) are sold and funds are diverted to the owners. Apart from realizing successful outgoing transfers, the story does look very similar to our story. Basically they don’t care about sportive ambitions and are only there to gamble with cheap foreign players and hope to make huge quick profits on transfers.

The Pacific group on the surface is a decent comparison and certainly like you say the clubs are performing equally badly. I think the difference is their ownership group is rumoured to be worth Billions and if they wanted to they could bankroll success ours isn’t in that ball park. I think for us the money genuinely isn’t there for the Pacific group it is but they just don’t want to spend it

 

[Champagneblade]

On our fan forum someone made the comparison with the Pacific group who own Barnsley, Oostende, Nancy and some other small clubs. All of them are bottom or near bottom of the league. Fans at Nancy are organizing protests. They sign crap players. All players (and manager) who show quality (mainly in Oostende) are sold and funds are diverted to the owners. Apart from realizing successful outgoing transfers, the story does look very similar to our story. Basically they don’t care about sportive ambitions and are only there to gamble with cheap foreign players and hope to make huge quick profits on transfers.

Where is your fan forum PurpleRain ?

I can kind of see some logic applied to certain signings but these are players that you introduce to a well established group that has been strengthened not as the guys to strengthen it. The sort of players you drip feed in:

66 Apostolos Konstantopoulos - 6'3" centre half. 19 years old. Played 29 matches in Greek top flight. Greek U-21 international. I suppose they hope Radic develops and this guy eventually partners him or replaces him. Radic signed the year before, similar profile, this time swap out the Greek youth stats for Croatia.

77 Leon Krekovic- 6'0" winger. 21 years old. Played a few matches in Croatia top flight but mainly for the reserve of Hajuk Split. Asking a lot for him to step up anytime soon.

11 Ramiro Vaca - 5'9" attacking midfield / left midfield. 22 years old. Plays for Bolivian national team.

Then you have Soumare, another left winger, from Senegal (so potentially 3 left winger arrivals now), aged 20, Okyere a central midfielder aged 18, from Ghana. All players who seem young to be supplanting the core of the team.

The issue seems to be that the marquee signings has been a flop:

17 Lawrence Shankland - 6:1" striker. 26 years old. Killed it in the Scottish Championship notching 24 in 26 matched but struggled in the SPL scoring 1 in 4. Given the first three I'd expect to be Development players/Squad players, at 26, you'd need Shankland straight in the team and performing. His previous year in Scotland didn't suggest he would do that.

Even in the case of the loanees, Caicedo is only 19 though of what I have seen, he's been 'ok' but is far from proven and De Smet and Lemos of what I have seen look like liabilities.


I see in January Rigo was signed and so was Avenatti. I suppose had these been summer signings, one being Belgium, the other having played in Belgium for some time they'd make a bit more sense but they are potentially too little, too late.

It just seems to me that whilst adding promising youth is a reasonable strategy, the players brought in as seniors to the group have not been high enough standard. I wouldn't even say it is poor level of spending as almost 4m had been spent on Eleke, Sazuki and Shankland in the past 2 seasons. It just happens that they're all crap.

With both Frans and Sanisi injured you would have expected to cherry pick the teams that went down at the very least to strengthen the main group. Seems more poor strategy than finances to be honest.

Big fortnight for you.

 

[PurpleRain]

Very good analysis of our transfers you made there. 1 game changer would have meant a big difference, a player with pace and technical ability that links midfield and attack.

Yesterday, we saw a decent performance, 3-1 win with Holzhauser benched and the return of Sanusi who was superb. Should have had a penalty as well. Hopefully they can build on this now. Still no sign of Coulibaly.

Our fan forum is called kielserat-forum. All in Flemish so will be difficult for you

 

[adamawdhali]

A lot of people like to hate on United world but read the whole thread and I think you’d agree that this is actually quite exciting

 

[tyke1889]

United World CEO explains investor search amid Sheffield United takeover bid

United World CEO explains investor search amid Sheffield United takeover bid

Abdullah Alghamdi says the umbrella company that houses Prince Abdullah's clubs is continuing to look for investors and explains what they will get in return

www.examinerlive.co.uk

 

[Blade58]

"By investor we mean someone who can come and be a partner, a strategy partner who can come and grow the group, grow the football club, to take it where we want to take it in the next five years.

"Those investors will be rewarded with a return on their investment when they exit. Financials. It will be equity and sometimes it will be guaranteed return, but we would prefer to have people invest with us and have equity with us in the future and getting a return.

"If they are coming for anything other than commercial or investment purpose then they are not the right investor."


I don't actually get this statement? Why are they looking to sell to lock. stock and barrel the club to Mauriss then?

 

[Champagneblade]

"By investor we mean someone who can come and be a partner, a strategy partner who can come and grow the group, grow the football club, to take it where we want to take it in the next five years.

"Those investors will be rewarded with a return on their investment when they exit. Financials. It will be equity and sometimes it will be guaranteed return, but we would prefer to have people invest with us and have equity with us in the future and getting a return.

"If they are coming for anything other than commercial or investment purpose then they are not the right investor."


I don't actually get this statement? Why are they looking to sell to lock. stock and barrel the club to Mauriss then?

I'm not on a downer with United World there are some obvious advantages at strategic pooling of information and resources and setting up global pipelines but a lot of the benefits are a bit Dean Hammond (not that visible!) whilst some initiatives will take time to bare fruit.

I'm just not sure what the queue of investors is going to be like who are prepared to invest money and have no say.

This was what McCabe wanted too; to retain control but for someone else to go halves on the bills!

But at least there is a strategy. I'm far more fearful of this Mauriss thing with so little known of him. It just seems bogus or used to flush out further interest.

I trust the Prince to not jeopardize the future of the club even if he isn't going to come in and throw buckets of money at it.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Something something something... United World partnership with a US Minor League baseball team in Detroit... something something

Wait. What? What the fuck is going on

 

[Nagima]

The concept of United World is fine. The problems with it are manifold. The gaps between the different clubs being so large that very few players have or will move to a bigger sister club. Expertise, United World have not demonstrated any expertise in player development . The clubs are culturally different which makes it harder to cross pollinate players so they settle in well to the country they are now in. Baseball is a part of UW. Why?.
If I remember correctly Sheffield United pay consultancy fees to UW for what exactly?

 

[Berkshire Blade]

"By investor we mean someone who can come and be a partner, a strategy partner who can come and grow the group, grow the football club, to take it where we want to take it in the next five years.

"Those investors will be rewarded with a return on their investment when they exit. Financials. It will be equity and sometimes it will be guaranteed return, but we would prefer to have people invest with us and have equity with us in the future and getting a return.

"If they are coming for anything other than commercial or investment purpose then they are not the right investor."


I don't actually get this statement? Why are they looking to sell to lock. stock and barrel the club to Mauriss then?

Why come out with new plan that sees them sack Slav for Hecky in November when willing to listen to offers for the club two months later. They are flip floppers.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It comes across as pie in the sky. The numbers needed to compete are vast and we don't seem to have pockets that deep - diverting money here seems pretentious. These type of structures should be the cherry on the cake.