Unachieving players top 5?

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For the record I thought Peter Hetherston looked class in his brief stay with us! However he did hit the posat and bar an extraordinary amount of times!
 

Woodward, Currie, Salmons?

I've often heard that for a year long period that team was the best in the country. Unfortunately that year spanned two seasons and that team won nothing but promotion, not even the Division 2 title!

So underachieving in terms of trophies, if not performances.
 
Traianos Dellas has to be in with a shout. Quite how he went from being a bit part player for us to playing for Roma under Capello and being influentual in Greece winning Euro 2004 is one of life's great mysterys.
 
Flawed said:
Traianos Dellas has to be in with a shout. Quite how he went from being a bit part player for us to playing for Roma under Capello and being influentual in Greece winning Euro 2004 is one of life's great mysterys.
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After finally establishing himself as a starter following the move of coach Fabio Capello to Juventus, Dellas's play was outstanding.
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Capello didn't like Big Tri much. He only managed 24 matches under the Italian manager in two seasons. In total at Roma he only managed 44 appearances in three seasons. Hardly an improvement from his 26 in two years with us. He's pretty much underachieved for most of his career. The Greek side that won the Euros were mainly fringe players for their clubs and hadn't played anywhere near as much first team football the preceding season as most of the "big" players from the "major" nations. One theory was that as they hadn't had much first team football that season they weren't as tired as the players from other countries.
 
Whilst Ched has disappointed me so far, we have to give him some settling time. I know it's frustrating but everybody needs time to settle and gel whoever they are. Cristiano Ronaldo hasn't particularly been a world beater at Real Madrid yet but they're not slating the fella are they? There are some positives: his finish against Watford was first class, his first touch when to feet is good and on Monday there were signs of a partnership between him and Henderson, particularly first half.
 
On the evidence so far, Evans is one of the worst VFM signings we've made in my 35 plus years of watching United.
He is a very, very poor player and it's frightening we've spent £3m on him.
 
lenners said:
On the evidence so far, Evans is one of the worst VFM signings we've made in my 35 plus years of watching United.
He is a very, very poor player and it's frightening we've spent £3m on him.
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Hate to be all Seth Bennett on you but we haven't spent 3m on him. It's frightening that people cannot grasp that concept ... :thumbdown:
 
Fiery Blade said:
Probably the pro Blackwell brigade looking to defend anything that has dared to be criticised :rolleyes:
My five Ian Rush, Jimmy Johnstone, Billy Sharp, Steve Bruce and Phil Thompson
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Is that the case Fiery, like Ched therefore you must be pro Blackwell?
 
Wombwell_Blade said:
Hate to be all Seth Bennett on you but we haven't spent 3m on him. It's frightening that people cannot grasp that concept ... :thumbdown:
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Our chairman says "we spent £3M and made him one of the highest paid players outside the premiership". Seth Bennet says it's nearer £750K.

Which concept are you frightened that people can't grasp?

UTB
 
That the £3 Million quoted by McCabe is the maximum we will pay.

I heard it was closer to £750K before RS said anything, I'm sure I posted it on here I thought it was common knowledge.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
That the £3 Million quoted by McCabe is the maximum we will pay.

I heard it was closer to £750K before RS said anything, I'm sure I posted it on here I thought it was common knowledge.
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people keep saying this but to me it seems like a bit of wishfull thinking. Can anyone point to any sources? McCabe clearly stated that we'd spent £3M on Evans. Rumours say it's otherwise, yet people who quote the £3M figure "frighteningly can't grasp the obvious". I don't get it.
 
alcoblade said:
people keep saying this but to me it seems like a bit of wishfull thinking. Can anyone point to any sources? McCabe clearly stated that we'd spent £3M on Evans. Rumours say it's otherwise, yet people who quote the £3M figure "frighteningly can't grasp the obvious". I don't get it.
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the only thing I could show you online is the various news reports that the deal is for a total of £3 Million.
For the £750K figure it's just the figure I heard from within the club (medical staff to be more exact) and then when the same figure was mentioned on RS I thought it must have some merit.
 
I prefer to believe our chairman who said it was £3m.
The notion that it was anything less only surfaced when he turned out to be absolutely shyte.
 

lenners said:
I prefer to believe our chairman who said it was £3m.
The notion that it was anything less only surfaced when he turned out to be absolutely shyte.
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Well that's not true, the press reported it as a potential £3 Million deal but yes our Chairman (under pressure for not spending enough money on the first team) has been quote reporting the full figure.

But don't let the fact spoil your opinion.

Also how anyone can be classed as absolutely shyte after a dozen starts, 3 goals and more assists shows your level. Why not make a decision when the kid is 21 or has made 50 or so starts? Then again you wrote off Ward before he had even signed so maybe using your criteria Ched has had more than enough chances to earn your approval.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Well that's not true, the press reported it as a potential £3 Million deal but yes our Chairman (under pressure for not spending enough money on the first team) has been quote reporting the full figure.

But don't let the fact spoil your opinion.

Also how anyone can be classed as absolutely shyte after a dozen starts, 3 goals and more assists shows your level. Why not make a decision when the kid is 21 or has made 50 or so starts? Then again you wrote off Ward before he had even signed so maybe using your criteria Ched has had more than enough chances to earn your approval.
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I said Ward was a good, sensible signing and, as usual, was proved right.
And Sheffield United don't spend £3m on players in the hope they'll turn out ok in a year or so.
The money was spent on the basis he would be our key signing, not as some pie in the sky, let's hope he turns out to be worth £3m signing. We are not Tottenham Hotspur.
The only level that's relevant is the one that Evans is playing at - and it's plainly too high for him on the evidence.
Giving someone time will not mean he develops speed or the ability to control a football, pass it or shoot straight.
If it did, we would be better off spending £30 on recruiting someone from Graves Park and training them up instead.
 
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, as it usually is.

It's too early to say that Evans is shyte. He hasn't had long enough in a different set-up, he's young, etc etc.

None the less, we've clearly paid enough to expect something now, if not the complete package. The evidence so far suggests, to me, that he's far from good enough. In fact, it points to him being shyte. But let's give him more time. If only because we can't afford not to and we've nothing else in place anyway.

What isn't debatable is that we bought him as a key figure for one of the championship's favourites for promotion. He's far from lived up to that. We don't know exactly what we've paid for him. We do know that talk of giving him time is really an excuse for poor performance right now. He might come good in time, we paid enough to expect more (more being a step up from next to nothing) right now. And that will impact this season, another sad addition to the wilderness years of SUFC.

UTB
 
alcoblade said:
What isn't debatable is that we bought him as a key figure for one of the championship's favourites for promotion. He's far from lived up to that. We don't know exactly what we've paid for him.
UTB
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I'd agree with that bit, not so much the rest.

But, and this is key for me, the player never set these expectations it was the management.
 
John Ebbrell
Lee Hendrie
Willie Falconer
Gary Flitcroft
Patrick Suffo
Jostein Flo
... the last 2 played in World Cup finals!
 
lenners said:
I said Ward was a good, sensible signing and, as usual, was proved right.
And Sheffield United don't spend £3m on players in the hope they'll turn out ok in a year or so.
The money was spent on the basis he would be our key signing, not as some pie in the sky, let's hope he turns out to be worth £3m signing. We are not Tottenham Hotspur.
The only level that's relevant is the one that Evans is playing at - and it's plainly too high for him on the evidence.
Giving someone time will not mean he develops speed or the ability to control a football, pass it or shoot straight.
If it did, we would be better off spending £30 on recruiting someone from Graves Park and training them up instead.
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You didn't say that about Ward at all, I can remember you moaning about signing unproven players from the lower league. Although now you've changed your tune it's interested how you are saying Ward is a good signing (he's only played 23 games and hasn't played really well until recently)while writing off Ched who has started about half as many games.
Ched has already shown the ability to control a football (his touch is actually quite good, as is his general passing and I would also argue most of his shots aren't usually too far away. I'd argue that certainly his passing and shooting on target are superior to Hendo, who you seem to think is playing well.
 
Flatulent, I said Ward was a good, sensible signing - a player with potential, young, who would cost little.
You maybe getting confused because I disagreed with the sale of Beattie at the same time.
Ward displayed appetite, running, adventure, confidence, speed, ability from day one.
Evans has displayed none of the above.
Anyone who thinks that anything he's done is superior to Henderson frankly hasn't got the first idea about the game of football.
 
I think you are now changing your tune, however he said she said isn't going to get us any further forward. I know what you said and so do other on here if they remember it.

As for Ched I think his passing is better than Hendo and therefore under your strict remit I don't have the first idea about the game so maybe you are best just putting me to ignore.
 
I went to see Reading V Ipswich yesterday & had a thought on these lines as there were 3 ex Blades playing - A Quinn, Stead & Howard. Stead started well & was gifted a goal but all 3 were average at best & also all were subbed..... Underachieving top 5 though - too many to choose from!
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
I think you are now changing your tune, however he said she said isn't going to get us any further forward. I know what you said and so do other on here if they remember it.

As for Ched I think his passing is better than Hendo and therefore under your strict remit I don't have the first idea about the game so maybe you are best just putting me to ignore.
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You evidently don't know what I said my friend.
And yes, I'm afraid anyone who thinks Evans' passing or anything else has been better than the bloke who's done all his work for him this season really doesn't have the first idea about the game.
 
Whilst this is probably the wrong thread to assess the Evans credentials £3m or
£750k is too much compared to date to Ward at £330k .
On current performances he has not shown the potential expected perhaps its the way he's told to play by the manager may be the issue ?
 
Are we allowed to mention 45 minute ex Everton player's who cost 1 £MILLION?
 
Are we allowed to mention ex Everton player's who cost 1m, and played 45 minutes?
 

TEN said:
Are we allowed to mention ex Everton player's who cost 1m, and played 45 minutes?
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I dunno but going to on the fact that he has already been mentioned by numerous posters I'm guessing it's ok.
 
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