Uefa Women's Euro 2022 at Bramall Lane

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Somewhere between the family-friendly,Mexican wave, need geeing up by the team atmosphere of Wembley this evening, and the poisonous atmosphere at many of the men’s matches in England over the last 40/50 years, is an ideal which is partisan, noisy, edgy, irreverent, but at the same time recognises that we are all football fans. To see England and German supporters together, each supporting their team, is a reminder that the idiots who believe you have to fight the opposition fans are missing out on one of the pleasures of a sport - enjoying a rivalry about what Klopp very eloquently described as the most important of the unimportant things in life. And those who make this impossible should think about what they are missing: the pleasure of standing (or sitting, nowadays) on the Kop at Hillsborough when Utd win a local derby there. Imagine enjoying Duffy’s goal there without fearing for your life. You just have to be able to also take the misery of being there when Utd lose.
 

HodgysBrokenThumb said:
Somewhere between the family-friendly,Mexican wave, need geeing up by the team atmosphere of Wembley this evening, and the poisonous atmosphere at many of the men’s matches in England over the last 40/50 years, is an ideal which is partisan, noisy, edgy, irreverent, but at the same time recognises that we are all football fans. To see England and German supporters together, each supporting their team, is a reminder that the idiots who believe you have to fight the opposition fans are missing out on one of the pleasures of a sport - enjoying a rivalry about what Klopp very eloquently described as the most important of the unimportant things in life. And those who make this impossible should think about what they are missing: the pleasure of standing (or sitting, nowadays) on the Kop at Hillsborough when Utd win a local derby there. Imagine enjoying Duffy’s goal there without fearing for your life. You just have to be able to also take the misery of being there when Utd lose.
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This is quite a new thing. Football hooliganism has gone on for decades but you could still mix inside the ground with little segregation.

In the 1979 Boxing Day match I was stood right at the back of Wednesdays Kop.
I didn't wear a scarf but remember seeing the odd red and white scarf (teenagers) on their Kop for that game.

Also in 1992 I was a season ticket holder in the seats at the back of the John Street stand.
I saw quite a lot wearing blue and white Wednesday scarves sat around me.
Also saw plenty of fans wearing blue and white scarfs sat on our South stand too.

In the Data Zenith Cup 1st round (think that was in 1993 too) I was sat in the middle of the North stand amongst Wednesday fans.
When United scored (think we won 3-2) I jumped up and cheered and there were loads of Blades fans on their North stand cheering our goals.
United and Wednesday fans mixing and no trouble at all. Think the rules were you can mix but behave, don't take liberties and goad opposition fans.

Fast forward to a game in 2003 ish, it was night match with the Michael Brown goal and there was a fight at the back of the Kop.
I asked a steward what has happened. He told me it was a gang of Blades fighting another gang of Blades
and both accusing each other of secretly being Owls and infiltrating our Kop.

Regards the women's tournament, enjoyed it, some really good football played in a good atmosphere,
Although I'm on the fence. Do I prefer a sanitised family style US style atmosphere or an intimidating 80's style bear pit atmosphere?
Probably the preferred atmosphere is somewhere in the middle.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
This is quite a new thing.

In the 1979 Boxing Day match I was stood right at the back of Wednesdays Kop.
I didn't wear a scarf but remember seeing the odd red and white scarf (teenagers) on their Kop for that game.

Also in 1992 I was a season ticket holder in the seats at the back of the John Street stand.
I saw quite a lot wearing blue and white Wednesday scarves sat around me.
Also saw plenty of fans wearing blue and white scarfs sat on our South stand too.

In the Data Zenith Cup 1st round (think that was in 1993 too) I was sat in the middle of the North stand amongst Wednesday fans.
When United scored (think we won 3-2) I jumped up and cheered and there were loads of Blades fans on their North stand cheering our goals.
United and Wednesday fans mixing and no trouble at all. Think the rules were you can mix but behave, don't take liberties and goad opposition fans.

Fast forward to a game in 2010 ish, it was night match and there was a fight at the back of the Kop.
I asked a steward what has happened. He told me it was a gang of Blades fighting another gang of Blades
and both accusing each other of secretly being Owls and infiltrating our Kop.
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You’re right; in the 70’s/80’s/90’s there was no fighting at football whatsoever
 
Rodders said:
You’re right; in the 70’s/80’s/90’s there was no fighting at football whatsoever
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You have a talent for sarcasm.

My point was in the 70's and 80's fans used to mix with little "strict" segregation.
If I couldn't get in the away end...then you'd go into the side terracing.

When we played big clubs...you'd see a few away scarves in the South stand and John Street stand.
You'd just remain well behaved, show respect, not goad the home fans and you'd be fine.
I used to stand in the John Street terrace corner near the St Johns ambulance in the late 70's, early 80's and occasionally noticed away fans in there.

Strict segregation started about 2000 ish and it's made fans more polarised.
Unfortunately don't think we can ever go back to mixing like you see in the Womens game.
 
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Sheffsteel said:
You obviously wasn't there, if that's what you think.
Guess you must be a youngster.
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Sheffsteel said:
You have a talent for sarcasm.

My point was in the 70's and 80's fans used to mix with little "strict" segregation.
If I couldn't get in the away end...then you'd go into the side terracing.

When we played big clubs...you'd have plenty of away scarves in the South stand and John Street stand.
You'd just stay show respect, not goad the home fans and you'd be fine.
I used to stand in the John Street terrace and occasionally noticed away fans during the late 70's, early 80's.

Strict segregation started about 2000 ish and it's made fans more polarised.
Unfortunately don't think we can ever go back to mixing like you see in the Womens game.
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I went to Millwall in 1986 and witnessed darts been thrown at Blades I was at pompey in 87 and a rock just missed my head, and in 1990 on Easter Monday was pelted with coins at Elland Road but yes I loved the bear pits :-/
 
georgebernardshaw said:
Someone’s got a different agenda here, obvs a London or Manchester hack….

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Well, if Alex Scott is to be believed tonight (and I don't doubt her here), she said she more or less begged clubs to host games and loads turned their backs. Only a few (those chosen obviously) stepped forward and declared interest. She said some more about those specific clubs being part of this now as well. This all started in 2017 I think she said (or 2018). Maybe now more clubs will step forward with an interest but her manner was more of a "you don't deserve the bandwagon'.

Be interesting to know more details on it.
 
WhiteHawk said:
I've never been that bothered about the womens game but really got into this tournament and have really enjoyed it, I might even get a season ticket for the United Ladies now.

Super proud that we've been a big part of it too so well done to Sheffield United for wanting to get involved when a lot of other clubs weren't interested.

Congratulations England, ignore the dinosaurs, you've done us proud.
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Last year I often thought about going to games but couldn’t be arsed schlepping to Chezzie. The odd game at BDTBL was when I’d actually find myself going. It’s a huge deal for the team to be playing full time at their proper home.

As for England, if anyone watching that didn’t absolutely love what they saw, they must be made differently to most folk. Joyous. 🏆
 
WF10BLADE said:
I went to Millwall in 1986 and witnessed darts been thrown at Blades I was at pompey in 87 and a rock just missed my head, and in 1990 on Easter Monday was pelted with coins at Elland Road but yes I loved the bear pits :-/
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I was a semi- regular at away matches in the 80's too. Went to Leeds a few times but never Wall or Pompey.....too scared.
Went in Shreds coaches from the Greyhound at Attercliffe, so we tended to stop off at pubs on the outskirts, then arrive just before kick-off.

Watching this tournament highlights the difference between the mens and woman's games regards fan culture.
The mens game could definitely learn a few things from the women's game.
 
WF10BLADE said:
I went to Millwall in 1986 and witnessed darts been thrown at Blades I was at pompey in 87 and a rock just missed my head, and in 1990 on Easter Monday was pelted with coins at Elland Road but yes I loved the bear pits :-/
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I think that rock was a half empty beer can as I remember. The fans were all over the touchline ... one even went on the pitch and passed the ball back to one of our players. 2 minutes from the end they just invaded and the ref abandoned the match.

pommpey
 
Seven of the top Women's Euros attendances have been this summer - also at the home grounds of Southampton, Brighton, Sheffield United and MK Dons.

"Back in 2018 we were begging people to host the Euros games in their stadiums," continued Scott. "So many people said no. I hope they're looking at themselves and thinking they weren't brave enough.

"I'm not standing up at corporate events begging for them to get involved in the women's game. If you're not involved, you've missed the boat. You've missed the train, it's finally left the station, it's gathering speed."

Well done United and well done the Lionesses!
 
Really enjoyed today. Had a great view. The only downside was the Neanderthals sat to my left, family of 4, dad, mum mid 40's, son late teens and daughter mid teens. The son (sweaty and smelly as fuck) was fuck the Germans, fuck the Nazis, fuck the foreign cunts, the daughter shouting that the ref was a useless fucker, the dad being as racist as his son and the mother just laughing it all off. It came to a head when son was shouting at some German fans to stop waving that fucking flag accompanied by his role model of a father giving Nazi salutes. A bloke behind told him to stop being a dickhead, bit of back and forth followed but it worked and he was less vocal 2nd half as was the son who just kept muttering something about fucking socialists. The final racist comment was made by the mother, as the Germans were collecting their medals the majority of the crowd clapped, to which the mother asks her son 'Why they clapping, it ain't us it's the Krauts ' 🙄
 

Really hope the wave of euphoria remains for a little longer. The girls deserve it. This is the year football shifted on it's axis. Not just for them, but for 'football' itself in this whole nation. The other home teams needn't despair - their time will come.

World Cup next. If we can keep this team moving forward there is no reason they can't come back with both trophies. The Yanks need to sit up and pay attention. We are after them.

pommpey
 
Linz said:
Brandi Chastain did it in the 1999 World Cup and completely sold the sport to US girls:

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Im sure I have a memory of another USWNT player doing it, maybe in 2015, but can’t find it

I’m really glad our women got to have their iconic moment, cherry on top
of the entire tournament
 
I bet Ricky and SBT on Vital are going mental this morning. Ricky hates wimmin and SBT hates anyone non straight, white, middle-aged+ and male.
 
pommpey said:
I fucking love it.

Well done the Lionesses. No fucking pressure, you overpaid shower of primadonnas going to Qatar. They might just show you cunts up.

pommpey
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Everyones thinking,Pommpey,at last an England team who entertained and played with enjoyment,not meant to patronise but i love every one of 'emmanager too.
 
derekacorah said:
I bet Ricky and SBT on Vital are going mental this morning. Ricky hates wimmin and SBT hates anyone non straight, white, middle-aged+ and male.
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Just had a look at Vital and that thread. Massive posturing. Huge amounts of thinly veiled blokey insecurity. Loads of 'Oh, I won't watch it' and 'Oh, BBC are SO woke' yet by the end, most have finally emptied their bladders into their incontinence pants and are begrudgingly admitting it was a significant, enjoyable experience set against 56 years of international disappointment, and that the women's game isn't there to eclipse the main game, just to fly in the same orbit. Maybe one day they may even understand that men have different physical characteristics and that United themselves put in 90 minute performances that do not meet their exacting standards

pommpey
 
Glad the city and the club could be part of such a great success of a tournament and a defining one at that. I admit I was not interested in women's football until the tournament and threw out the usual cliches, but it really has changed my opinion of it (as I suspect it has, many others) and I guess that's one of the many benefits of having held the tournament here.
 
I watched it yesterday, I watched quite a few of the matches too and went to the Holland v Switzerland game as I was given a free ticket. A fantastic achievement and fair play but I'll not be watching the WSL with anymore interest than before. I'm sorry but I just don't find it a good standard. Sorry if that offends some but that's my view.
 
Any idea if Millie Bright & Ellie Roebuck will be at the game on Saturday and introduced to the crowd?
 

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