Tyler Smith

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EddieColquhoun said:
I love your reports Phil, but considering that Brooks only left 8 weeks ago, that's some statement.
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I thought that too . I can think of 2 possibly 3 who'll get a run out at first team level in the current crop .
 

Ball_Sup (Phil) said:
Who are you thinking of?
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I think Norrintgon-Davies will feature at some point this season, maybe make his full debut at the turn of the year ( F.A Cup early round ??? )

I'm also very much looking forward to Callum Semple coming back from Queen of the South in January . I know the level he's playing at isn't exactly eye catching but I believe it's exactly the kind of experience he needs now . He's now playing in a competitive environment and one in which if there were any doubts about him physically or mentally following his long lay off they've had to be answered . He's played every game for them up to now and even chipped in with a goal ! I see the same sort of thing for him right now that I see for Norrington-davies.

Admittedly they face a huge challenge to usurp any of the senior pros in their respective positions but i have a good feeling about both of them .
 
I have watched Tyler for a good few years and I have no doubt he will keep scoring at the level he currently plays. All the current crop have to play competitively as part of their development but unfortunately most are warming the bench and getting 15 mins playing time. As it is important to play then it is great to see Tyler and Callum Semple playing every week and getting top marks. It may be that they could be pushed out to supposedly higher sides but if they don't get game time then it is pointless. If that is the case then players like Gilmour, Slater , Hallam and Graham may need to drop down if that's what it takes to get them game time in a competitive environment. It will be interesting to see what United decide to do with this group as they need to be let go or offered new contracts that they can accept or refuse.
Interestingly the league Callum plays in is very physical and he has already added considerable bite into his game, something he would never have done at 23 level and Tyler is responding, with goals, to the aggressive defending of his opposition.
Big fan of Phil and i agree with comments on progression from 23 to the first team I hope it will change soon but its more likely most of this group will make their way else where and leave a few £s to go against the Academy business model
 
Baw Heid said:
Big fan of Phil and i agree with comments on progression from 23 to the first team I hope it will change soon but its more likely most of this group will make their way else where and leave a few £s to go against the Academy business model
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But that's exactly how an Academy should work .

Ben Whiteman is a great case in point . Good player that he was/is he was clearly not good enough to break into our midfield . We knew that, he knew that and consequently he was sold to Donny for a nominal fee and he's now free to make a living in the game .

For me there simply shouldn't be any Academy players here at the age of 21 who are not involved in the first team set up . That means there's going to be an awful lot of movement out of the Club AND its almost certain that there'll be ' the one that got away ' to contend with too . I think we all need to prepare ourselves for the fact that there's simply going to be no one coming through to trouble the first team for a couple of years every now and again . The Kyle Walkers, Harry Maguires and David Brooks of this world are few and far between afterall ( and yes, untill we are in the PL ourselves we need to realise that we'll be selling them too )

We've been blessed with a ittle bit of luck in our Academy coupled with the fact that theres some top notch coaching staff up there too . But whilst I'd never say never, we all need to understand that there will be some barren years to come when no one breaks through into the first team . And the higher we climb in the football leagues the harder its going to get too . Should we do a ' Brentford ' ? Get rid of the Academy in its entirety ? Not for me, no .
 
snootyfenooty said:
This is an interesting thread with both informed and informative comments. That is until you came along trolling with your moronic soundbites.

goanwreckanotherthread
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Actually it was your moronic soundbite. Surely you remember that truly embarrassing tantrum?
 

coolhandluke said:
But that's exactly how an Academy should work .

Ben Whiteman is a great case in point . Good player that he was/is he was clearly not good enough to break into our midfield . We knew that, he knew that and consequently he was sold to Donny for a nominal fee and he's now free to make a living in the game .

For me there simply shouldn't be any Academy players here at the age of 21 who are not involved in the first team set up . That means there's going to be an awful lot of movement out of the Club AND its almost certain that there'll be ' the one that got away ' to contend with too . I think we all need to prepare ourselves for the fact that there's simply going to be no one coming through to trouble the first team for a couple of years every now and again . The Kyle Walkers, Harry Maguires and David Brooks of this world are few and far between afterall ( and yes, untill we are in the PL ourselves we need to realise that we'll be selling them too )

We've been blessed with a ittle bit of luck in our Academy coupled with the fact that theres some top notch coaching staff up there too . But whilst I'd never say never, we all need to understand that there will be some barren years to come when no one breaks through into the first team . And the higher we climb in the football leagues the harder its going to get too . Should we do a ' Brentford ' ? Get rid of the Academy in its entirety ? Not for me, no .
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Just to be clear I agree with what you say although our coaches are good enough to make their own luck. We have one of the best Academy and no way should we get rid. I am an optimist and I would be delighted if one of the players I mentioned was able to play for United but it is more likely they will progress else where. I also think it is a credit to all involved that the Academy is able to generate some money. My main point continues to be the development of young players in a competitive environment and it may be that to achieve this some of the lads will need to get game time at varying levels that suit.
 
Pinchy said:
Yes it was Lol and unless and until Tufty matches Adkins’ achievements it’s absolutely correct.
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Nonsense. For a start, it would have to be one hell of a giant book for either of them to be in it at all, but their achievements are comparable today by most standards. Adkins has a promotion to the prem on his record, I'll give you that, but also has multiple failures, sackings and a relegation on his CV which Wilder does not.

In addition, as things stand, one of these guys looks to have been found out, whereas the other younger man is on the rise. As ever, time will tell, but neither man yet has the right to be anywhere near Bassett and Warnock in your mythical "history"

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blade67 said:
Nonsense. For a start, it would have to be one hell of a giant book for either of them to be in it at all, but their achievements are comparable today by most standards. Adkins has a promotion to the prem on his record, I'll give you that, but also has multiple failures, sackings and a relegation on his CV which Wilder does not.

In addition, as things stand, one of these guys looks to have been found out, whereas the other younger man is on the rise. As ever, time will tell, but neither man yet has the right to be anywhere near Bassett and Warnock in your mythical "history"
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I'm afraid your ‘history’ is grossly (and deliberately) distorted. Adkins has three other promotions on his CV that you fail to mention. Bassett and Warnock both have multiple relegations and sackings. Bassett is celebrated only in S2. At his many other clubs he is either an irrelevance or someone they’d prefer to forget.

The uncomfortable truth.
 
Pinchy said:
I'm afraid your ‘history’ is grossly (and deliberately) distorted. Adkins has three other promotions on his CV that you fail to mention. Bassett and Warnock both have multiple relegations and sackings. Bassett is celebrated only in S2. At his many other clubs he is either an irrelevance or someone they’d prefer to forget.

The uncomfortable truth.
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Message from SW19; ‘leave it out guv’.
 
Apparently Chris got all the scouts and coaches together at start of season and made clear he wants to play academy players in the first team..sent them out to scout and coach the best they can...
 
Ferenc Blade said:
Apparently Chris got all the scouts and coaches together at start of season and made clear he wants to play academy players in the first team..sent them out to scout and coach the best they can...
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I don’t see that meeting happening at all

Brookes was a fluke. He would have been at Chessy last season and even with the form he showed you could count one hand the number of starts he got last season.

Slater makes his debut due to lack of numbers. Does very well and then within two weeks we sign two more centre midfielders. Who have now left the club.

Semple was flying two summers ago. Then his pathway is blocked by Wilson. Who has now left the club.

Ty Smith could have been involved. Only for Lavery to arrive. Who has now left the club.

My point is please don’t claim to give youth an opportunity when obviously it is not on the agenda.

Putting Parkhouse on the bench in the league cup was nothing more than a token jesture. The lad is not pulling any trees up at U23 level so I am not sure where that selection came from.
 
Redhead said:
I don’t see that meeting happening at all

Brookes was a fluke. He would have been at Chessy last season and even with the form he showed you could count one hand the number of starts he got last season.

Slater makes his debut due to lack of numbers. Does very well and then within two weeks we sign two more centre midfielders. Who have now left the club.

Semple was flying two summers ago. Then his pathway is blocked by Wilson. Who has now left the club.

Ty Smith could have been involved. Only for Lavery to arrive. Who has now left the club.

My point is please don’t claim to give youth an opportunity when obviously it is not on the agenda.

Putting Parkhouse on the bench in the league cup was nothing more than a token jesture. The lad is not pulling any trees up at U23 level so I am not sure where that selection came from.
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Didn't Semple have a bad injury that kept him out a while?

And Wilson's goal against Oxford was a turning point.

If Semple keeps developing like he is then he'll surely have a future in the game- either with the Blades or elsewhere. In either instance that will be an academy success.
 
Kenilworth said:
Didn't Semple have a bad injury that kept him out a while?

And Wilson's goal against Oxford was a turning point.

If Semple keeps developing like he is then he'll surely have a future in the game- either with the Blades or elsewhere. In either instance that will be an academy success.
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I am not saying it’s about Semple in particular.

I am saying that in terms of youth players playing first team games over the last few seasons it has not happened.

In my opinion Semple, Ty Smith, Slater, RND would have been better or a par for Wilson, Lavery, Leonard and Lafferty.

If youth is not going to play then it is fair enough as they are deemed not good enough, but why keep churning the same line that we are giving youth a chance. We don’t.......
 
Redhead said:
In my opinion Semple, Ty Smith, Slater, RND would have been better or a par for Wilson, Lavery, Leonard and Lafferty.

If youth is not going to play then it is fair enough as they are deemed not good enough, but why keep churning the same line that we are giving youth a chance. We don’t.......
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Lavery was way ahead of Smith 2 seasons ago, we've just sold Leonard for over a million and Lafferty has 13 international caps and Championship experience.
At present we're third in the Championship. Of the 4 youngsters you mention, Slater is arguably highest up the ladder and he's on the bench for a mid-table League 2 side.
 
Pinchy said:
I'm afraid your ‘history’ is grossly (and deliberately) distorted. Adkins has three other promotions on his CV that you fail to mention. Bassett and Warnock both have multiple relegations and sackings. Bassett is celebrated only in S2. At his many other clubs he is either an irrelevance or someone they’d prefer to forget.

The uncomfortable truth.
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So shit Alex Ferguson asked him to scout for him.
 
Redhead said:
I don’t see that meeting happening at all

Brookes was a fluke. He would have been at Chessy last season and even with the form he showed you could count one hand the number of starts he got last season.

Slater makes his debut due to lack of numbers. Does very well and then within two weeks we sign two more centre midfielders. Who have now left the club.

Semple was flying two summers ago. Then his pathway is blocked by Wilson. Who has now left the club.

Ty Smith could have been involved. Only for Lavery to arrive. Who has now left the club.

My point is please don’t claim to give youth an opportunity when obviously it is not on the agenda.

Putting Parkhouse on the bench in the league cup was nothing more than a token jesture. The lad is not pulling any trees up at U23 level so I am not sure where that selection came from.
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Wilder doesn’t have to see me on the hallowed turf to know I’m shite. The same is true for many of the players coming through.

We get very little wrong in terms of the abilities of these players. I hear the same criticisms time and time again, about countless different players, who to a man are at worst now stacking shelves at Tesco, and at best plying their trade well beneath us.

If they are good enough they will get a chance.
 
Redhead said:
I don’t see that meeting happening at all

Brookes was a fluke. He would have been at Chessy last season and even with the form he showed you could count one hand the number of starts he got last season.

Slater makes his debut due to lack of numbers. Does very well and then within two weeks we sign two more centre midfielders. Who have now left the club.

Semple was flying two summers ago. Then his pathway is blocked by Wilson. Who has now left the club.

Ty Smith could have been involved. Only for Lavery to arrive. Who has now left the club.

My point is please don’t claim to give youth an opportunity when obviously it is not on the agenda.

Putting Parkhouse on the bench in the league cup was nothing more than a token jesture. The lad is not pulling any trees up at U23 level so I am not sure where that selection came from.
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To be honest, all we really need are 20,000 or so very patient fans who don't mind losing a few games while the youngsters find their feet and get the hang of playing grown man football.
It might happen one day.:rolleyes:
 
I seem to remember there was a certain amount of luck in the two Kyle's coming into the first team too. And wasn't KW originally a centre-half? I tipped Brooks as a great player the first time I saw him. I did the same with Lewis Reed. Of those young players mentioned I thought Sam Graham had the best chance of succeeding when I saw him alongside Semple on pure size. And Slater - who it seems has gone backwards.

And as for judgements - Brighton let Ollie go for £2.5 million and Man City let Brooks go. IT is nothing like as scientific as we think. (But generally I like to see the youngsters come through).
 

If all the academy does is cover it's costs it's more than done it's job. Every academy has sides from u9 to u18, that's 10 age groups all with 15-20 players. Kids come in on trial through the year at the younger age groups but as they get older it's hard to get in. To fulfil fixtures you need a core of players so even from a youngish age there are kids at academies who the coaches know have no chance of making it and will be eventually released.

Hopefully every now and again nuggets like the 2 Kyles, Harry, Lowton etc are uncovered who either help the first team or are sold to cover the costs. That's the reality for most academies and ours seems to be more successful than most.
 
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