Too much choice may be stopping Wilder signing more strikers - McCabe

[Sean Thornton]

Ive got a good idea lets convert Hanson to a CB that will shake things up and make room for another striker

Hasnt someone already said that?

 

[Pedro Verde]

Hasnt someone already said that?

Yes the OP I think

 

[Sean Thornton]

Yes the OP I think

He's radged as well then

 

[South Bucks]

Everybody keeps going on about we need defenders and also we seem to only be chasing midfielders. Obviously we do need at least one central defender, but I think we need at least 1 if not 2 strikers.
Taking my Blades glasses of.

Sharp. Will do well to get 10-15 goals this season.

Lavery. Potential is there but can't see him ever being prolific. Pigs also on average seemed to rate him, but thought him not really good enough for championship. Still relatively young so could have improved.

Clarke. Never done it at Championship level in his long career.

Evans. Been out of the game so long, does anybody honestly think he is going to get into double figures. Personally can only see him playing a bit part this season Cup/Bench. This is the one I really hope I'm wrong on.

Hanson. Sorry simply not good enough, struggled to pass to team mates in 1st division. Shouldn't be anywhere near the first eleven. Can see him going on loan in January.

Done. Runs around a lot but wasn't prolific in the First division. Simply not good enough, hope we can move him on.

Add to the fact that Lavery, Clarke, and Evans had big injury problems last season.

My assessment could be wrong but if its right than that spells only one thing for me relegation.

Yep, spot on mate, for too long we have this habit of lets have half a dozen half good strikers that might make it into the team one day and give a good show occasionally. I'd swap 3 of the fringe strikers now for someone who'd be a definite starting eleven player and use the youngsters and loans if we hit a problem. We can only have eleven on the pitch so big squads over a certain number make no sense to me. 20 to 22 maybe of quality then loans and youngsters?

 

[robbiez666]

Too much choice?

This explains why I'm not getting any..

 

[stringer]

If wilder said it then I'd agree, he should know that. But McCabe like you and I is a know nowt supporter. However, McCabe happens to own 50% of the club and the media ask him football questions, which they shouldn't as it's not his job

Media shouldn't ask chairman about club? Righto

 

[SwissBlade]

Media shouldn't ask chairman about club? Righto

I didn't say that. They should ask about the club. But footballing wise, he doesn't have a clue so his footballing responses are pretty much pointless

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

If wilder said it then I'd agree, he should know that. But McCabe like you and I is a know nowt supporter. However, McCabe happens to own 50% of the club and the media ask him football questions, which they shouldn't as it's not his job

Agree , Is McCabe as bad as Steve Parish , Simon Jordan or even Mr Barry Fry or the other bloke as Peterbrogh. Suppose they all say it's my money I can say want I want . McCabe should perhaps be more canny or less user friendly . Suppose the blokes heart is in the right place but just cannot win , and sometimes talk to the press as chairman not as fan . We would all be the same I guess .

All adds to the fun or frustration of BDTBL

 

[SwissBlade]

Agree , Is McCabe as bad as Steve Parish , Simon Jordan or even Mr Barry Fry or the other bloke as Peterbrogh. Suppose they all say it's my money I can say want I want . McCabe should perhaps be more canny or less user friendly . Suppose the blokes heart is in the right place but just cannot win , and sometimes talk to the press as chairman not as fan . We would all be the same I guess .

All adds to the fun or frustration of BDTBL

What i loved during last season was that Wilder was the one voice we heard talking football. I think it gives a much clearer message this way.

Yes there were pre and post match comments from Knill and the players, but these were on individual games and performances. Wilder was the only person which talked progress, transfers and the like.

McCabe, as much as I like him, and i do, really needs to keep his opinions to that of the running of the club. I don't even want to hear of funds being available, just that he's supporting Wilders vision and that of the club.

As we can all see, the season ticket sales are so high because of the way we play and get results, not because we might get a big name signing or because the co owner likes the strikers we have or not

 

[Pinchy]

Its a start, but only a start

That's two more than 'Matt' will get...

 

[Pinchy]

What i loved during last season was that Wilder was the one voice we heard talking football. I think it gives a much clearer message this way.

Yes there were pre and post match comments from Knill and the players, but these were on individual games and performances. Wilder was the only person which talked progress, transfers and the like.

McCabe, as much as I like him, and i do, really needs to keep his opinions to that of the running of the club. I don't even want to hear of funds being available, just that he's supporting Wilders vision and that of the club.

As we can all see, the season ticket sales are so high because of the way we play and get results, not because we might get a big name signing or because the co owner likes the strikers we have or not

He can't win though, Swiss. When he doesn't give interviews people say he's lost interest and gone into hiding. People are ringing Radio Local and demanding a phone-in. Then they demand a club statement every five minutes.

We Statements.

When he does an interview he's criticised for answering questions and his answers then wilfully and maliciously manipulated to suit the agenda.

 

[Pinchy]

I didn't say that. They should ask about the club. But footballing wise, he doesn't have a clue so his footballing responses are pretty much pointless

Yeah, I thought much the same when they used to interview Blackwell or Adams.

 

[SwissBlade]

He can't win though, Swiss. When he doesn't give interviews people say he's lost interest and gone into hiding. People are ringing Radio Local and demanding a phone-in. Then they demand a club statement every five minutes.

We Statements.

When he does an interview he's criticised for answering questions and his answers then wilfully and maliciously manipulated to suit the agenda.

The problem is that he's a fan. So he says things which fans would say or to excite fans... which ultimately is intended to put bums on seats. You're right though, he can't win.

His media presence has improved though, he says less nowadays and his statements have generally been confined to the business side, but promotion has got him all giddy. On the contrary, I loved his post Northampton comments as he got back to the lane. Excited fans around him and he just said what he felt at that moment, so we take it with a pinch of salt, but it was still comments about the club and not the actual football side.

He should really restrict himself to two or three statements a season and when he gets quizzed about signings or the football, refer to Wilder.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Yeah, I thought much the same when they used to interview Blackwell or Adams.

And Adkins.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The strikers can't fail, we have so many players who can provide 'assists' and we are not frightened to play positive football.

Looking forward to watching Stevens, Thomas, Carruthers, Freeman, Duffy, Coutts, Brooks, Fleck plus Leonard or Holmes or both.

Strikers can fill their boots and if they don't there are 4 more waiting to fill theirs, including Hanson for 'Plan B' as and when.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

Hardly "clearly" saying anything is he really though?

1, He says "we don't need anymore strikers" & he will risk pissing off fans who want a big name & will interpret it as no more signings. Also giving away our transfer strategy.
2, He says "we need another striker" & he will risk pissing off the 5 or 6 we already have because someone will interpret it as him saying the ones we have aren't good enough.

Damned if he says anything damned if he doesn't. Yes we all know how shit he's done in the past but it doesn't mean we should use it as a stick to beat him with everytime he opens his mouth.

You're missing the point mate. I don't expect McCabe to make either of those statements above. It's not his job to say whether we need strikers or not. What I do expect is that McCabe is closely in touch with what the manager wants - and Mcabe is saying "I don't know". That's the issue. You don't run a business and "not know" what your employees are thinking of doing with your money. Simple as that really.

I am not anti-McCabe. I have consistently posted that he's a well-intentioned benefactor. However, I also think he's his own worst enemy when he starts spinning things and coming out with bullshit. And I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. McCabe fully understands what Wilder's recruitment plans are - surely to goodness?

I just find his comment very evasive. Similarly with his comments when asked if Sheff Utd will have a competitive budget in the Championship this coming season, he answers, "I don't know - I don't look at what other clubs are doing". Again, I find this very evasive and totally implausible actually. Because you absolutely MUST know what your competition is doing, or is capable of doing, in any business. These discussions must have been had at Board level and with the manager unless the place is being ran like Fred Carno's circus?

The Board of Directors would sit down and evaluate a lot of things ahead of the coming season. They would take stock of what they have got and look at the level of competition, the players, the budget, etc. That's an absolute minimum. McCabe will have a very good idea how we compete versus other clubs in terms of spending power and financials. And the facts are that we will be millions behind other clubs - understandably - because of where we've been for the last 6 years and where some of them have been, i.e. the Prem. That's nothing to be ashamed of actually - and I'd respect McCabe much more if he just came out and said something along those lines - i.e. that we won't be able to compete financially with some of the clubs who are in the division, but we will be able to compete with them in football terms through sound recruitment, good tactics and a team spirit and togetherness that few others will be able to match.

 

[Cerberus Blade]

If wilder said it then I'd agree, he should know that. But McCabe like you and I is a know nowt supporter. However, McCabe happens to own 50% of the club and the media ask him football questions, which they shouldn't as it's not his job

I know where you're coming from, but that's absolutely not the case. You have to know as Chairman/Owner of a business, everything that is going on in your business and the Law is upon you if you don't. I agree that questions about the signing of players are better directed at the manager, but McCabe should anticipate those questions and come up with some better answers in my opinion. He certainly shouldn't be casting doubt as to why his manager hasn't signed more strikers yet. That's just not necessary.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

Regardless of the topic of conversation, I'd generally be happier if McCabe didn't speak. Others may disagree but I genuinely believe that our return to the championship is largely in spite of him, rather than thanks to him.

 

[siblade]

You're missing the point mate. I don't expect McCabe to make either of those statements above. It's not his job to say whether we need strikers or not. What I do expect is that McCabe is closely in touch with what the manager wants - and Mcabe is saying "I don't know". That's the issue. You don't run a business and "not know" what your employees are thinking of doing with your money. Simple as that really.

I am not anti-McCabe. I have consistently posted that he's a well-intentioned benefactor. However, I also think he's his own worst enemy when he starts spinning things and coming out with bullshit. And I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. McCabe fully understands what Wilder's recruitment plans are - surely to goodness?

I just find his comment very evasive. Similarly with his comments when asked if Sheff Utd will have a competitive budget in the Championship this coming season, he answers, "I don't know - I don't look at what other clubs are doing". Again, I find this very evasive and totally implausible actually. Because you absolutely MUST know what your competition is doing, or is capable of doing, in any business. These discussions must have been had at Board level and with the manager unless the place is being ran like Fred Carno's circus?

The Board of Directors would sit down and evaluate a lot of things ahead of the coming season. They would take stock of what they have got and look at the level of competition, the players, the budget, etc. That's an absolute minimum. McCabe will have a very good idea how we compete versus other clubs in terms of spending power and financials. And the facts are that we will be millions behind other clubs - understandably - because of where we've been for the last 6 years and where some of them have been, i.e. the Prem. That's nothing to be ashamed of actually - and I'd respect McCabe much more if he just came out and said something along those lines - i.e. that we won't be able to compete financially with some of the clubs who are in the division, but we will be able to compete with them in football terms through sound recruitment, good tactics and a team spirit and togetherness that few others will be able to match.

But he can't win can he, he says we've got a low budget and then the money tree brigade are out with the game changing investment bollocks. I think CW has a budget and it's up to CW what he does with it, I don't think McCabe is that close to the small details.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You're missing the point mate. I don't expect McCabe to make either of those statements above. It's not his job to say whether we need strikers or not. What I do expect is that McCabe is closely in touch with what the manager wants - and Mcabe is saying "I don't know". That's the issue. You don't run a business and "not know" what your employees are thinking of doing with your money. Simple as that really.

I am not anti-McCabe. I have consistently posted that he's a well-intentioned benefactor. However, I also think he's his own worst enemy when he starts spinning things and coming out with bullshit. And I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. McCabe fully understands what Wilder's recruitment plans are - surely to goodness?

I just find his comment very evasive. Similarly with his comments when asked if Sheff Utd will have a competitive budget in the Championship this coming season, he answers, "I don't know - I don't look at what other clubs are doing". Again, I find this very evasive and totally implausible actually. Because you absolutely MUST know what your competition is doing, or is capable of doing, in any business. These discussions must have been had at Board level and with the manager unless the place is being ran like Fred Carno's circus?

The Board of Directors would sit down and evaluate a lot of things ahead of the coming season. They would take stock of what they have got and look at the level of competition, the players, the budget, etc. That's an absolute minimum. McCabe will have a very good idea how we compete versus other clubs in terms of spending power and financials. And the facts are that we will be millions behind other clubs - understandably - because of where we've been for the last 6 years and where some of them have been, i.e. the Prem. That's nothing to be ashamed of actually - and I'd respect McCabe much more if he just came out and said something along those lines - i.e. that we won't be able to compete financially with some of the clubs who are in the division, but we will be able to compete with them in football terms through sound recruitment, good tactics and a team spirit and togetherness that few others will be able to match.

A couple of days ago you said the CEO was in charge of all this.

If it's been run like a circus surely it's his fault ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Regardless of the topic of conversation, I'd generally be happier if McCabe didn't speak. Others may disagree but I genuinely believe that our return to the championship is largely in spite of him, rather than thanks to him.

You mean he put obstacles in the way ? Or something like that?

 

[steve26272]

You're missing the point mate. I don't expect McCabe to make either of those statements above. It's not his job to say whether we need strikers or not. What I do expect is that McCabe is closely in touch with what the manager wants - and Mcabe is saying "I don't know". That's the issue. You don't run a business and "not know" what your employees are thinking of doing with your money. Simple as that really.

I am not anti-McCabe. I have consistently posted that he's a well-intentioned benefactor. However, I also think he's his own worst enemy when he starts spinning things and coming out with bullshit. And I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. McCabe fully understands what Wilder's recruitment plans are - surely to goodness?

I just find his comment very evasive. Similarly with his comments when asked if Sheff Utd will have a competitive budget in the Championship this coming season, he answers, "I don't know - I don't look at what other clubs are doing". Again, I find this very evasive and totally implausible actually. Because you absolutely MUST know what your competition is doing, or is capable of doing, in any business. These discussions must have been had at Board level and with the manager unless the place is being ran like Fred Carno's circus?

The Board of Directors would sit down and evaluate a lot of things ahead of the coming season. They would take stock of what they have got and look at the level of competition, the players, the budget, etc. That's an absolute minimum. McCabe will have a very good idea how we compete versus other clubs in terms of spending power and financials. And the facts are that we will be millions behind other clubs - understandably - because of where we've been for the last 6 years and where some of them have been, i.e. the Prem. That's nothing to be ashamed of actually - and I'd respect McCabe much more if he just came out and said something along those lines - i.e. that we won't be able to compete financially with some of the clubs who are in the division, but we will be able to compete with them in football terms through sound recruitment, good tactics and a team spirit and togetherness that few others will be able to match.

think you've got the old anti McCabe glasses on here matey. You say he's spinning and talking bullshit, surely answering question by saying "I don't know" is the epitome of honesty? If he was bullshitting he would have tried to blag his way out? Total respect to him. How many times do you see interviews when they are clearly bullshitting, and I just think "mate, say you don't know, no one knows everything, and we would at least respect your honesty"
maybe he's aware that if he said "er want a CB, and mid x2" selling clubs would add £££'s to the selling price, clever bloke Kev!!

 

[BanbridgeBlade]

You're missing the point mate. I don't expect McCabe to make either of those statements above. It's not his job to say whether we need strikers or not. What I do expect is that McCabe is closely in touch with what the manager wants - and Mcabe is saying "I don't know". That's the issue. You don't run a business and "not know" what your employees are thinking of doing with your money. Simple as that really.

I am not anti-McCabe. I have consistently posted that he's a well-intentioned benefactor. However, I also think he's his own worst enemy when he starts spinning things and coming out with bullshit. And I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. McCabe fully understands what Wilder's recruitment plans are - surely to goodness?

I just find his comment very evasive. Similarly with his comments when asked if Sheff Utd will have a competitive budget in the Championship this coming season, he answers, "I don't know - I don't look at what other clubs are doing". Again, I find this very evasive and totally implausible actually. Because you absolutely MUST know what your competition is doing, or is capable of doing, in any business. These discussions must have been had at Board level and with the manager unless the place is being ran like Fred Carno's circus?

The Board of Directors would sit down and evaluate a lot of things ahead of the coming season. They would take stock of what they have got and look at the level of competition, the players, the budget, etc. That's an absolute minimum. McCabe will have a very good idea how we compete versus other clubs in terms of spending power and financials. And the facts are that we will be millions behind other clubs - understandably - because of where we've been for the last 6 years and where some of them have been, i.e. the Prem. That's nothing to be ashamed of actually - and I'd respect McCabe much more if he just came out and said something along those lines - i.e. that we won't be able to compete financially with some of the clubs who are in the division, but we will be able to compete with them in football terms through sound recruitment, good tactics and a team spirit and togetherness that few others will be able to match.

Personally, I believe it's more a case of not letting others know our transfer strategy.

If a team know we have 5 million to spend they will hold out for as much as possible. If they think we only have 300k then they are more likely to accept if that's all they think they'll get. I agree that there is no way he doesn't know what other teams have planned, but it makes no sense to let this be public knowledge.

I've also seen a lot of nonsense on twatter about how we should instantly up our offers if the other team say it isn't enough. It would be bad business to offer 300k, they say no & instantly offer 500k. I would hazard a guess that a lot of the time, the initial offer is more to test the water than a genuine valuation.

With the greatest of respect, none of what you are asking for makes any sense for a business to do.

 

[Woodwardfan]

The thing about United this past year is the unity. A Blade as half-owner singing from the same songsheet as the manager. A united manager and coaching staff with a total respect for the club as a whole and a fantastic rapport and sense of togetherness. A fanbase absolutely delighted to be part of a tremendous season.

For that momentum, that 'bubble' of togetherness to burst, you might have expected a bad run of results but no, that's SUFC for you.

All McCabe was saying was that the manager knows his budget, is working to the budget and is making his own decisions. To demonstrate that latter fact and at the same time speculating on the striker situation, he suggested possible reasons and priorities the manager probably has. The whole point is that the manager is running the show and how many Blades have questioned that basic fact over the years i.e. said the managers have their hands tied by KM and decisions are made above their heads.

Some folk on here are dependant on the Forum for their entertainment. If things are quiet they have to 'create entertainment' in a number of ways, even when it's nonsense or just arguing with fellow Blades for the sake of it.

 

[blade too long]

Or even, "Chris has a completely free hand to get whoever he wants - the only question is whether he can find anyone better than who we already have" ?

how dare you come up with a reasonable explanation try and find some double meaning that throws the club in a bad light immediately

 

[blade too long]

mccabe in knows little about how football works shock
hadnt anyone fathomed that out after hed employed robson , morgan , weir adkins

just leave him to sort out the finances asking him questions on football is like asking owls fans to have a reasoned argument