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His overall performance has put some doubts in my mind but I have far more reasons not to sack him.

Whatever the club does it's a risk and it looks highly likely we'll be having a clear out. His signings so far have been mostly unsuccessful but he has been restricted in terms of how many he could bring in. I think a couple of those signings were brought in to plug gaps as well rather than being part of any long term cultivation.

If we sack him who do we then bring in and how long until everyone is on his back? Changing the whole philosophy yet again doesn't sit well with me. Seems the worse of two unappealing options. Let's give him the summer to overhaul the squad and see if he can get it right. If that doesn't work then I'm sure he won't get any more time.

I think he has months left rather than days. I really don't think the board are considering sacking him.
 

Which begs the question why they didn't perform for Clough then ? If they did Clough would still be here.
I personally can't see the difference between Clough and Adkins, it's slow, boring, methodical and laboured performances win lose or draw, they make every single aspect of the game seem difficult because they aren't willing to work hard enough.

We've had so many sub standard players, the club specialises in it, and that's why the only bit of very very very limited success we've had has been as a result of some kick and rush merchant bollocking them every two seconds for lack of effort and concentration. They couldn't get bollocked for lack of ability because they had none to start with, but Bassett and Warnock bollocked them constantly for lack of professionalism and effort.

That's as good as it has ever got for us for 40+ years, a team of shit players who will give everything as long as their driven on by a seething madman, or a team of slightly better ability who just don't give a shit and being allowed to do whatever they like.

Not since John Harris have we had a team of good players who were motivated to play for this club, every team since has either been honest pro's doing their best with limited ability or complete and utter wankers like we have now

PS - Not having a go at you

yep, can't disagree with most of that. Was just making a point based on what someone on here who reckons to be ITK said, ie that there was currently a specific issue behind the scenes now with some of the ones signed by Clough. But you're right thinking about it they weren't any better then, other than the cup runs, so not sure if it stacks up really.
 
I dont like the thought of sacking someone for no reason

Adkins though has provided enough reasons to go

Not lured any new faces, dont count Sharp as he knew him
any manager hits a high within a season where the team looks capable , hes failed to reach any high
The mantra he gave was attack attack attack and we failed to score before half time in three quarters of our games and failed to score at all in games far too often
There isnt a fan who could predict a first choice eleven any given week
The lack of passion is however the biggest reason, in too many games the performances have to quote Pete blade shit
I would say give him a chance if wed improved in any area, but we havent

this isnt the droid we are looking for
 
He has failed. He should not be leading the club into another season.
 
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I dont like the thought of sacking someone for no reason

Adkins though has provided enough reasons to go

Not lured any new faces, dont count Sharp as he knew him
any manager hits a high within a season where the team looks capable , hes failed to reach any high
The mantra he gave was attack attack attack and we failed to score before half time in three quarters of our games and failed to score at all in games far too often
There isnt a fan who could predict a first choice eleven any given week
The lack of passion is however the biggest reason, in too many games the performances have to quote Pete blade shit
I would say give him a chance if wed improved in any area, but we havent

this isnt the droid we are looking for

"Don't count Sharp as he knew him"
:D:D:D:D
 
Back him

He needs a full season when he's not hamstrung by the players he's inherited.

They can't play the way he wants to play and we're lacking in key positions.

His signings aren't great but it depends on the resources he's had to play with (which have been minimal at best).

There's clearly issues behind the scenes which are affecting the performances. If, this time next season we're in a similar position with poor performances and results, then he should go.

It's all about building a team to take us up and keep us up.
Not sure he knows how he wants to play.
 
Adkins fixation with signing the legendary Dan Burn pissed me right off. He lost me there.
 
Adkins fixation with signing the legendary Dan Burn pissed me right off. He lost me there.
To be fair to Adkins, he has never mentioned Burn once.

Its the media that linked Burn to us, and the subsequent 89 threads on here about him, have kept the story alive :confused:
 
Sticking with a manager only works if the manager is the right man for the job. That sounds like catch 22, in that we can't predict the future, but sticking with a bad manager is far worse than sacking a good manager (a bad manager is guaranteed to do progressively worse, there is always a chance a replacement will work out).

So how do we know if *this* manager is the right man? There is guesswork involved, and some of it is gut feeling and of course that is going to differ from person to person. The rest is going to be based on past performance combined with expectation. I'm going to ignore expectation, simply because any manager coming in would have been expected to get us into the playoffs, regardless of who they were (although expectation was certainly higher since Adkins came in, but on the flip side, I think most of us would be reassured by a winning streak or some good performances at this stage!).

I'm curious to find out what people are putting into the positive/negative columns? I'm guessing what you list here dictates whether you're in the plus/negative camp (to start with, feel free to add):

Positive (or at least; not negative):

Record with other clubs in this league
Record of bringing youth through (at other clubs)
Positivity (?)
Is happy to try different tactics
Isn't entirely responsible for the mess we're in; has had to work with other managers' players (although all managers have this!), and an AWOL board.
Was welcomed to Bramall Lane in traditional SUFC style: by having his best player sold from under him, money not reinvested despite promises
Brought Billy back
Quickly recognised Howard wasn't good enough
Finished above Wednesday with Scunthorpe, relegating them :D
The number of managers sacked previously has meant the board are reluctant to sack another (this is a positive for him. He's been lucky in some ways, I think in another season he'd be out on his ear already!).


Negative:

No getting around this.. performances.
League form/not meeting minimum expectations
Motivation: the players are called all sorts on here, but we know many are capable of producing more than they are doing under Adkins
Adkins came in singing "Everything is Awesome!", yet the sense of unhappiness/unease around the club is getting as high as it's ever been
Signings have been, for the most part, pretty rotten (this for me is the biggest issue, as we'll be having a clear out in a couple of months!!!).
Never seemed to get a handle on squad strengths and weaknesses/hasn't identified the type of personalities we need to sign/failed to identify our positional needs (until too late)
Substitutions often seem very strange, and more worryingly, rarely work in his favour
Tactical changes haven't (thus far) changed our fortune
Continuing to play players out of position when it hasn't worked out for them previously
Hero to zero (in the eye's of many) in half a season... quite remarkable really!
Doesn't seem to have any answer to pull us out of this malaise
Thought McEveley was capable of leading (nothing against the lad, I think some of the abuse he's got has been out of order, but he's not the right personality for captain)
He's not as media savvy as he likes to think he is (there are ways of dropping hints about what is happening behind the scenes without playing your hand)
His record isn't as tidy as some make out, he's been relegated a couple of times, and sacked twice (not revered by his last club, Reading)
Has arguably found success elsewhere with players who were already at the club (Law's players at Scunthorpe, an almost unparalleled number of talented youth at Southampton alongside a number of other players who were later sold to Man U/Liverpool/Arsenal) - certainly not a bad thing, although something he's been unable to replicate here.
We require a full rebuild, is he the man for this?? (this is in negative, because I think not)
General lack of desire in the team is a worrying trend. We get outplayed, outrun, out-muscled and outmaneuvered by clubs and players bought with 1/10th the budget/salary

Unanswered questions:

McNulty - the messiah, or a very naughty boy? (i.e. was shipping him out good or bad)
Has he lost the dressing room?
Has money been available and he's unwisely chosen to not spend it? (as indicated by both Phipps and McCabe)
The soundbites in interviews - they sounded shallow the first 50 times. Are his team talks like this?
Suggestions of a split in the dressing room, is he the sort of manager who can slap them into shape?
 
It will all come down to a financial call of whether they think sacking him will cost more in compo than what they will lose in Season ticket renewal revenue by keeping him.
 
Adkins hands are tied until the summer with transfers.
Theres a whole lot of players going out the door in the summer and they know who they are.
Its hard to motivate those players if it was me i would drip feed the youngsters in and see who can perform.
The Rotherham game a few seasons back showed what can happen when you throw a few youngsters in together.
 
It's very easy to blame Adkins for everything that's gone wrong with this season but it's not his squad. The weaknesses he inherited from Clough (no centre halves good enough for L1, an abundance of diminutive central midfielders, no centre forwards, more injury prone players than the rest of the league put together) weren't ever going to go away overnight.

Yes, he should probably be doing better but his management style is very different to Clough's and it's clear that a group of the squad just doesn't respond to Adkins' methods.

He's done well in the past when he's been allowed to recruit players to fit his plans. That's not happened here: it's been stopgaps and cast-offs all the way as we've built up a massive squad completely devoid of the coherence you need to create a decent team.

Signings under Adkins:
Sammon: lined up by Branigan and Clough, I very much doubt Adkins had an choice in this one
Edgar: an average centre half - but has any other club in this division managed to sign anyone better?
Hammond: probably not worth the money but he's the type of player we needed - organised and not afraid to put a foot in.
Sharp: filled the hole up front
Baptiste: I suspect he's here to replace Collins (whose departure cannot come soon enough)
Woolford: emergency replacement for Murphy

Of those who haven't worked out, only really Woolford was Adkins' choice. I know the usual suspects will decry this but Woolford's pedigree suggested he'd be a decent bet: a better choice would probably be to have tried to sign a younger, quicker player on loan (Kent from Liverpool maybe).

The choice is simple. We either give Adkins the chance to build his own team and go again next season or we sack him and get someone else in (too late to do anything in the summer transfer window) and find ourselves in exactly the same position this time next year.

I'm as pissed off as anyone that we're 12th in League One but, frankly, sacking another manager is not going to solve that.
 
The choice is simple. We either give Adkins the chance to build his own team and go again next season or we sack him and get someone else in (too late to do anything in the summer transfer window) and find ourselves in exactly the same position this time next year..

why would it be too late to do anything in the summer transfer window if we sack him now?
 

he'd have 11 games to do that, easily enough time to see our deficiencies. Its only adkins who seems to need an entire season to see where were lacking

He could also use some of the other the 166.5 hours a week and watch a couple of videos, we might even have DVDs these days...

If fans in Norway can produce constructive intelligent analysis via bladesplayer, don't tell me its beyond 'professional' football managers, and that adkins needed all this season to assess that the players weren't good enough for what he wants to do.
 
why would it be too late to do anything in the summer transfer window if we sack him now?
At some point we have to trust someone to get it right I agree with Balham to change now is just continuing the same policy of change
for changers sake..
I watched a video of Adkins time at Southampton ,it's on there u tube..excited me watching it all unfold and Adkins showed the passion
we crave ,Reminded me very much of the Bassett time here.If you remember Bassett took us down before building a team full of the ingredients we are looking for.We accept Adkins inherited a squad not good enough to get us up and signings have not bridged the gap. Surely his previouse record affords him a bit of time to build his own team and if we don't do it this season (play offs ) have a real crack next season.. Can't say it will happen but Adkins like Bassett deserves the opportunity.Could be exciting times if soton are any thing to go by.Come on blades show a bit of bottle I do think Adkins will build a team to rival that Bassett one. That would be really exciting would it not fellow blades.
 
He could also use some of the other the 166.5 hours a week and watch a couple of videos, we might even have DVDs these days...

If fans in Norway can produce constructive intelligent analysis via bladesplayer, don't tell me its beyond 'professional' football managers, and that adkins needed all this season to assess that the players weren't good enough for what he wants to do.

You can't get to know the players personalities and foibles from Bladesplayer.

Something all managers have to handle.
 
You can't get to know the players personalities and foibles from Bladesplayer.

Something all managers have to handle.

I'm 60:40 in favour of not sacking him at the moment.

The arguments for him that I find difficult to accept are
- that he's needed all this time to assess the current players, and that anyone coming in would need 6 months + to assess them again. Come off it
- that the squad was too big. If it was too small, then yes, but surely a bigger squad is an advantage over a smaller one
- that he hasn't been able to bring anyone in. 5 first teamers. half a team.
 
1.At some point we have to trust someone to get it right I agree with Balham to change now is just continuing the same policy of change for changers sake..


2. I watched a video of Adkins time at Southampton ,it's on there u tube..excited me watching it all unfold and Adkins showed the passion
we crave ,Reminded me very much of the Bassett time here.


3. If you remember Bassett took us down before building a team full of the ingredients we are looking for.We accept Adkins inherited a squad not good enough to get us up and signings have not bridged the gap.

4. Surely his previouse record affords him a bit of time to build his own team and if we don't do it this season (play offs ) have a real crack next season..

5. Can't say it will happen but Adkins like Bassett deserves the opportunity.Could be exciting times if soton are any thing to go by.Come on blades show a bit of bottle I do think Adkins will build a team to rival that Bassett one. That would be really exciting would it not fellow blades.


1. Change now wouldnt be for changes sake, this guys wank theres good reason to sack him as he offers nothing

2. it was exicting because they had Puncheon, Shniderlin, Lallana, ricky Lambert, Oxlaid Chamberlin, Antonio and co. NOT because of nigel Adkins.

3. no WE dont accept that atall, our squad was good enough with 1 maybe 2 additions. With the 5 additions we had we should have pissed it.

4. Hes had a crack and failed, his CV means sod all as far as Im concerned.

5. Basset had character and man management skills, Adkins doesnt seem to have either. I think your living in cloud cookoo land thinking Adkins will build a team comparibel to Bassets.
 
1. Change now wouldnt be for changes sake, this guys wank theres good reason to sack him as he offers nothing

2. it was exicting because they had Puncheon, Shniderlin, Lallana, ricky Lambert, Oxlaid Chamberlin, Antonio and co. NOT because of nigel Adkins.

3. no WE dont accept that atall, our squad was good enough with 1 maybe 2 additions. With the 5 additions we had we should have pissed it.

4. Hes had a crack and failed, his CV means sod all as far as Im concerned.

5. Basset had character and man management skills, Adkins doesnt seem to have either. I think your living in cloud cookoo land thinking Adkins will build a team comparibel to Bassets.

You would have hounded Bassett out when we went down as he'd "had a crack and failed".
 
1. Change now wouldnt be for changes sake, this guys wank theres good reason to sack him as he offers nothing

2. it was exicting because they had Puncheon, Shniderlin, Lallana, ricky Lambert, Oxlaid Chamberlin, Antonio and co. NOT because of nigel Adkins.

3. no WE dont accept that atall, our squad was good enough with 1 maybe 2 additions. With the 5 additions we had we should have pissed it.

4. Hes had a crack and failed, his CV means sod all as far as Im concerned.

5. Basset had character and man management skills, Adkins doesnt seem to have either. I think your living in cloud cookoo land thinking Adkins will build a team comparibel to Bassets.
You have a closed mind Ted I would hate to be employed by you as I would be redundant very quickly due to your narrow mindedness open your mind
 
You have a closed mind Ted I would hate to be employed by you as I would be redundant very quickly due to your narrow mindedness open your mind

you could say you have a closed mind as your not open to the idea of sacking him.

Also your not a football manager, they work in a different business entirely to the rest of us where 8 months is enough to prove your good enough, many managers are sacked by this point if they show no signs of progress or even having a clue how to do their job. Maybe Id be more open to keeping him if he had done even one thing worthy of note at this football club but he hasnt.

Even having said that, most jobs have a 6 month probation period to see if your up to the job so in the majority of careers this guy would have been sacked.
 
you could say you have a closed mind as your not open to the idea of sacking him.

Also your not a football manager, they work in a different business entirely to the rest of us where 8 months is enough to prove your good enough, many managers are sacked by this point if they show no signs of progress or even having a clue how to do their job. Maybe Id be more open to keeping him if he had done even one thing worthy of note at this football club but he hasnt.

Even having said that, most jobs have a 6 month probation period to see if your up to the job so in the majority of careers this guy would have been there

There's plenty of examples of managers who don't hit the ground running, Ferguson and Bassett are just two ,we have chopped and changed
LOOK where we are with that policy,maybe you should open your eyes rather than your mind Ted . Adkins CV merits the opportunity.
 
open my eyes?

your the one fascinated by a CV which Id imagine youve not seen with your own eyes. Having seen the majority of games this season with my eyes open Ive seen a bag of shite led by a manager with no charisma, no idea of tactics, no idea with substitutions.

Its all well and good saying stick with him because weve sacked too many managers but why should we if hes clearly not the right man for the job. Will you mary your second or third girlfriend even if she turns out to be a total nightmare just because youve binned off 2 before and that hasnt worked for you?
 
Its all well and good saying stick with him because weve sacked too many managers but why should we if hes clearly not the right man for the job.

No you are right.

Your well reasoned lucid arguments win the day.

Sack him.

Can I also be the first to say 'sack the next one'?

ISC
 
open my eyes?

your the one fascinated by a CV which Id imagine youve not seen with your own eyes. Having seen the majority of games this season with my eyes open Ive seen a bag of shite led by a manager with no charisma, no idea of tactics, no idea with substitutions.

Its all well and good saying stick with him because weve sacked too many managers but why should we if hes clearly not the right man for the job. Will you mary your second or third girlfriend even if she turns out to be a total nightmare just because youve binned off 2 before and that hasnt worked for you?
You and some others may want change but I think you will find he will be here next season whether promoted or not and be given the chance to put his team out with his style written on it.Short terms is not the way to go I think the board have finally realised that,reacting to
Minority supporter groups has put us in this position..Up the blades support Nigel.
 
No you are right.

Your well reasoned lucid arguments win the day.

Sack him.

Can I also be the first to say 'sack the next one'?

ISC
I was hoping for that privilege.

Everyone has an opinion and it's the height of delusion to think that one can change another's entrenched opinion by writing some stuff on a message board. If someone thinks Adkins is shit, the only thing that may change their opinion is if we have a significant improvement in form.

The arguments have been made, daily, since the start of the season and just repeating them is pointless.

In my opinion, it will make no difference whether we sack him or not, we will continue to fail for as long as the current regime is in place.

I hope we get someone like Evans so that when he fails and gets the sack, I don't feel sorry for him. I'd much prefer that than to see another decent bloke destroyed by the fuckwittery of the pricks in charge.
 

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