Time for the Poll: Wilder Out or In

[We're back!]

It just comes down to if someone isn't performing in their job you have to move on, why do you need a replacement in mind before you can sack someone? In no other business would you need a replacement lined up before you sacked an employee, why is football any different?

I just can't take another 22 matches of this dross, a fresh face always will give a glimmer of hope, granted that might be short lived and unlikely to change much, but it's still a bit of hope. At the moment it's just wait until August when we're in the Championship and things might get better, that's just such a depressing thought to me right now.

By that logic, sack the entire squad, they're all not performing. We'll just turf out the ball boys, tea lady and box office staff to make do until alternative solutions come along. If we're gonna sack him, a better solution must be in place.

 

[Latters]

If you’re constantly serving up dog turds, should you stop?

Ooh, ooh, here’s another. What if you keep complaining that you only have dog turds to serve, but it was you that bought all the dog turds when you were given loads of money for ingredients?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Ooh, ooh, here’s another. What if you keep complaining that you only have dog turds to serve, but it was you that bought all the dog turds when you were given loads of money for ingredients?

That’s a good point but you’ve missed mine by a country mile. Hasn’t he FMBlade1 ?

 

[Latters]

That’s a good point but you’ve missed mine by a country mile. Hasn’t he FMBlade1 ?

I’m not sure if I have or not now, but please elaborate

 

[Ernest]

I honestly don’t know where we go from here. We’re stagnating and it’s painful to watch. We’re shoehorning poor players into a faltering system and there seems no light at the end of the tunnel.

I said it on a previous thread, but the opportunity for us to really have a crack at staying up was on Boxing Day and we completely cocked up. Everton, on the day, were there for the taking. We pissed about, trying to hold on for the draw with negative substitutions again and look what happened.

Tonight didn’t piss me off like the Southampton, West Brom and Fulham results, but it made me feel quite sad and detached from the Club.

I don’t know where we go from here, but this can’t carry on as it is. I fear we’ll really struggle next season at this rate...

 

[BladeInIreland]

There is still nobody I can think of who would be better than him and take the job. So for that reason, I'm in.

 

[mattbianco1]

Time for THE poll.

Just wake me up when its all over.

 

[Houston_Blade]

In, because I like him and I don’t want another manager who isn’t Wilder.

 

[bladebloke]

Wilder looks psychologically broken, devoid of self-confidence and seems to have run out of ideas.

Stating the obvious, something has gone wrong, no idea what, but it’s evident him and the team have lost something, that ‘something’ is what made the difference for three years, however, the last nine months have been poor on the whole.

There’s nothing to suggest he can or can’t turn things around, although the constant ‘who else’ would replace him argument has no basis either. We aren’t a mid-table 3rd tier team anymore, there will options available, we will just never have heard of them.

There are 66 points still available, parachute payments and a squad with some, if not top drawer, talent. Add a great fanbase to that, some bright young manager will be interested.

Howe is waiting for Brighton, Palace or Fulham, so that’s the number one ‘people’s choice’ gone. The other ‘names’ like Hughes would only offer expensive stability and the Prince seems more forward thinking.

I’ve gone out, nothing personal, it just seems the rollercoaster ride has come to an end. I think he will resign in the next few weeks.

Everything considered, the sooner it comes to a head, the quicker we recover.

 

[Chabuddy G]

The longer this goes on, the harder getting out of it gets.

Getting out of it isn’t even in the question anymore

 

[Chabuddy G]

At risk of being called a pig for no real reason whatsoever by some middle aged divorced blokes who should no better, out. For reasons well publicised.

 

[SilkyBlade]

There is still nobody I can think of who would be better than him and take the job. So for that reason, I'm in.

This isn’t the general election....Wilder himself would be embarrassed by that answer! Pearson is the man if people can get over his history. A proper man manager, from the Wilder mould, with genuine tactical nouse. So many forget it was his recruitment that paved the way for Leicesters success and so nearly saved Watford.

 

[Booker4]

It's all well and good saying lets get a reaction, just something to hope for. But realistically, with the budget we have, the points total we have and the quality or lack of we have, there is no point in changing manager unless there is a better option. Looking at Wilder's record, both for us and before, there is no better manager we could get. Only big Sam was a feasible option, and he's already gone and look how they did today I mught add, albeit it's early doors.

So if we have to endure another 4 months of this then I'd rather do that with Wilder than with someone else who no doubt hasn't as good a record as Wilder. The only question remains is will Wilder walk. I really hope not, but I'm sure it will have crossed his mind. I just hope he stays strong and doesn't go, one win may not start a run that keeps us up, I think that's very unlikely. But one win could give us a better run of form where we're at least get to some form of respectability. I'm sure we can get that win, it's bound to change sooner or later.

 

[Taylor Blade]

This your annual post, is it? Thanks for coming

First ever I think Georgie boy, but thank you for the the heartfelt welcome!!

 

[BladeInIreland]

This isn’t the general election....Wilder himself would be embarrassed by that answer! Pearson is the man if people can get over his history. A proper man manager, from the Wilder mould, with genuine tactical nouse. So many forget it was his recruitment that paved the way for Leicesters success and so nearly saved Watford.

He's the best man available for the job is an embarrassing answer?

Pearson is on the very short list people have actually suggested to replace him. There is also no way he would take the job.

 

[Charlieblade]

The timing of this poll, so soon after yet another defeat by a single goal, smacks of a knee jerk reaction. That said our overall performance means such questions would be asked sooner or later anyway.Foe all his perceived flaws, Wilder should stay.
A number of fans questioned the money spent by Wilder, means he must answer for poor recruitment.
I disagree. We don’t have a minted owner, and the suggested total of 130m quid spent, would only get two decent premier players, if you want guaranteed performance.
Most fans understand this, and accepted that Wilders policy of buying young hungry players, with a point to prove, was the right choice under the circumstances.
Any club obliged to purchase its main assets, would be in the same boat. Shopping for ‘potential’ in a pool below the current level is a dangerous game to play, and it leaves Wilder open to criticism when the club slides as it has done now.
At the time, most of us were supportive, but calling for his head now, based on recruitment, makes no sense at all.
Serious injuries to key players happens at all clubs. Some shining examples of players who got us here, suddenly taking their previous form off a cliff, is very unpredictable, and very hard to manage.
To have all this happen at the same time gives the lie to our first season back, when management and players both over achieved.
Now, we expect the same high standard from a team, with important cogs missing, or broken.
This situation is not Wilders fault. It is simply a lack of cash available, to build a squad strong enough to compete at this level.
The weakness of a system we are obliged to operate under, has now exposed the weaknesses in our overall plan.
Wilder is not perfect and he can’t make a silk purse, out of a sows ear, otherwise, he’d be managing in S6. Yes, he’s stubborn, and there are any number of poorly explained choices in selection, contracts and tactics, but in these areas, we are not qualified to decide right or wrong, because we don’t have sufficient information to justify such decisions. Wilder has to justify all his decisions to a higher authority, but not necessarily to us, the supporters.
The club and management team have done better than we could have hoped in our first season back. The current situation is fraught with issues the owner and manager cannot control. Any incoming replacement would have to deal with the same issues.
Wilder stays for me.

 

[Le Cynique]

Getting out of it isn’t even in the question anymore

I don’t mean this season. I mean the downward spiral in general. We’re down, if that I have no doubt; we don’t have to continue in the same vein for ever.

 

[Kryten]

I remember not so long ago when people were sharpening sticks, dipping them in shit and making stabby motion towards anyone vaguely talking about poaching Wilder from us!

We live in a throw away society where there's no loyalty anymore, so is that it then? Thanks for the 4 years Chrissy boy now jog on you Peroni supping no nowt.

SMH!

 

[FMBlade1]

I remember not so long ago when people were sharpening sticks, dipping them in shit and making stabby motion towards anyone vaguely talking about poaching Wilder from us!

We live in a throw away society where there's no loyalty anymore, so is that it then? Thanks for the 4 years Chrissy boy now jog on you Peroni supping no nowt.

SMH!

Guess Leicester should have been loyal to Ranieri and not sack him despite him taking them towards the second division in his second season

Their ruthlessness is one of the reasons why they are where they are and we are where we are

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

In.

This is a journey, and we're all learning together. We have no divine right to be in this division, and as a club we're all learning.

If we're preparing for life in the Championship next season, I would trust noone more.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

The timing of this poll, so soon after yet another defeat by a single goal, smacks of a knee jerk reaction. That said our overall performance means such questions would be asked sooner or later anyway.Foe all his perceived flaws, Wilder should stay.
A number of fans questioned the money spent by Wilder, means he must answer for poor recruitment.
I disagree. We don’t have a minted owner, and the suggested total of 130m quid spent, would only get two decent premier players, if you want guaranteed performance.
Most fans understand this, and accepted that Wilders policy of buying young hungry players, with a point to prove, was the right choice under the circumstances.
Any club obliged to purchase its main assets, would be in the same boat. Shopping for ‘potential’ in a pool below the current level is a dangerous game to play, and it leaves Wilder open to criticism when the club slides as it has done now.
At the time, most of us were supportive, but calling for his head now, based on recruitment, makes no sense at all.
Serious injuries to key players happens at all clubs. Some shining examples of players who got us here, suddenly taking their previous form off a cliff, is very unpredictable, and very hard to manage.
To have all this happen at the same time gives the lie to our first season back, when management and players both over achieved.
Now, we expect the same high standard from a team, with important cogs missing, or broken.
This situation is not Wilders fault. It is simply a lack of cash available, to build a squad strong enough to compete at this level.
The weakness of a system we are obliged to operate under, has now exposed the weaknesses in our overall plan.
Wilder is not perfect and he can’t make a silk purse, out of a sows ear, otherwise, he’d be managing in S6. Yes, he’s stubborn, and there are any number of poorly explained choices in selection, contracts and tactics, but in these areas, we are not qualified to decide right or wrong, because we don’t have sufficient information to justify such decisions. Wilder has to justify all his decisions to a higher authority, but not necessarily to us, the supporters.
The club and management team have done better than we could have hoped in our first season back. The current situation is fraught with issues the owner and manager cannot control. Any incoming replacement would have to deal with the same issues.
Wilder stays for me.

As eloquently put as you're going to see.

 

[dc_blade]

I didn’t vote in the poll. I’m not sure how I feel, really.

I do think we have to sack him now, and give someone else the JTW to start a rebuild, or stick with Wilder and give him a shot at rebuilding the team and getting us back up. There’s no point sticking with him now only to fire him in March.

The issue for me is not relegation, which is acceptable as part of a longer-term plan to establish ourselves in the top flight. And it’s not the signings he’s made, because I think some of these younger players can still come good for us (although we’ve made some big mistakes in terms of recruitment, for sure).

The issue is the absolutely dreadful football we have played for most of 2020. It is so fucking boring to watch. My heart sinks at the idea of us keeping Wilder, him refusing to adapt, and us having to watch this rubbish week in and week out. Maybe he would go back to exciting front-foot football in the Championship.

 

[GEARYstolemyBEER]

I think this is an unprecedented season so little points after so many games. Looks a team with no confidence, without a change this could continue very easily into next season

Spill over could/ will probably be players playing with fear, loosing mentality, with wilder still here a club mentality of... it doesn’t matter how bad it is you will still have our backing, this leaving players the option to slack it off and point their finger and say you was backed when we weren’t getting results, surely this should happen to us?

for me a fresh slate needs to be. However I can see why people would still want wilder, he just seems like a break would do him the world of good and could help the club

 

[100% part time blade]

In our situation (almost certainly going to be relegated), the timing of replacing the manager should be focussed on whoever is coming in, not going out. We shouldn’t be sacking the manager, then looking round and thinking ‘OK, now what?’.
When’s the right moment to get the man we want?
When’s the right moment to ensure we build a well-balanced squad for next season?
When’s the right moment to ensure a smooth transition for all the players and staff who will be here for next season?

I’m not convinced, even now, that starting next season with a new manager is a better option than starting it with Wilder still in charge.
But if he is being replaced, it should be timed with a view to the future and to give the new manager the best possible start.

 

[Kryten]

Guess Leicester should have been loyal to Ranieri and not sack him despite him taking them towards the second division in his second season

Their ruthlessness is one of the reasons why they are where they are and we are where we are

I prefer loyalty over being ruthless any day of the week but that's just me.

 

[Rochdaleblade]

I voted out because I can't see him turning it round in the championship next year with the current crop of players. There are only about half a dozen that I would actually want to keep, and some of those may want to stay in the Prem. The attitude of the manager worries me, together with the sight of players who would run their blood to water last year looking as uninterested as Kevin the teenager. It needs a huge clearout in the window, but unfortunately, I doubt the boerd will fund the replacement of half the team.

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

I've voted out. I love the man and I'm a big fan of the 'job for life' cliche. However, the football being served up is polar opposite of what he has built up. Why is this? Has he become complacent? Doubt it. Has he lost the dressing room? Possibly.

The transfer window this summer was absolutely woeful. He strengthened the squad as opposed to the team. Brewster for £24m is ridiculous. The keeper I'll say no more on. For the money he has had at his disposal, it has been wasted, largely.

What's pissing me off a lot, though, isn't Wilder at all, so I'll cut him slack for this part. It's the basics from the players. Or lack of. Last week at Brighton I saw Enda fail to trap a 5 yard pass and concede a throw in. Last night I saw Brewster on his own about 30 yards from goal leap for a header from a Burnley clearance and cometely misjudge the bounce for the ball to go over him. He was literally on his own. "Watch the bounce" was something drilled into us as kids. Yet he didn't. He did have a good effort on goal and a mazy run which won us a free kick so I can forgive it a bit. Bit clearances up the line almost always fall to the opposition. We lose possession far too easily and far too often. We do not press. We have no temp or rhythm to our game any more.

It's not easy to pin point it squarely at the manager of the players are failing him, but ultimately its his head that gets chopped.

Can he get this squad up next season? On paper he should. But how many will stay?

 

[Pedro Verde]

I don't care if a new manager lost every match until the end of the season

What is the fucking point in changing the manager then ?

 

[Swannyblade]

I voted in on the basis that he'll see sense and change our approach. I can't believe that he'll continue to be as stubborn as he has so far this season.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

I voted in on the basis that he'll see sense and change our approach. I can't believe that he'll continue to be as stubborn as he has so far this season.

I thought that after 5 games on the basis that nobody could be stupid enough to continue doing something that clearly doesn’t work. 11 games later nothing has changed and we are the worst team in PL history and an absolute laughing stock.