Time for a statement. Time for an apology.

[alcoblade]

Basically yeah. Like Rattly, i'd rather the club said nothing and just got on with it.

If you were running the club and it were in the same position, would your first thought be a) lets write (another) apology to the fans or b) get on with the job and put the wrongs right.

Seems from your logic that you'd prefer option a)

Yes, it would be. That's because most have lost faith that they have the ability to put it right. As a result of their decisions we're just about broke. The squad is threadbare and of low quality. Just about all that's left is the fan-base. And the majority of that is totally hacked off with those that run the club. So that's where I'd build from.

You're free to place your faith in the foundations of Simmo, Collins, Doyle and Cresswell. League 2 here we come....

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[SwissBlade]

Yes, it would be. That's because most have lost faith that they have the ability to put it right. As a result of their decisions we're just about broke. The squad is threadbare and of low quality. Just about all that's left is the fan-base. And the majority of that is totally hacked off with those that run the club. So that's where I'd build from.

You're free to place your faith in the foundations of Simmo, Collins, Doyle and Cresswell. League 2 here we come....

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Go and do something about it then instead of pissing around being all precious about an apology, if you're lucky you might even get a cuddle

 

[alcoblade]

Go and do something about it then instead of pissing around being all precious about an apology, if you're lucky you might even get a cuddle

Put your dummy back in. It's a message board for discussing opinions. I've expressed an opinion. The preciousness has been strung out by you wanting to make such a meal out of that request, yet flatly refusing to discuss the reasoning behind it.

None of us have £50M to spare. You'd better instruct Foxy to close this place down.

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[BaldeRunner]

Go and do something about it then instead of pissing around being all precious about an apology, if you're lucky you might even get a cuddle

Time for me to step out I think, I've clearly met my match now Swiss has resorted to this kind of deep and syllogistic type of arguing.

Been an interesting point to debate, always a pity when it degenerates like this. Thanks anyway

 

[SwissBlade]

Put your dummy back in. It's a message board for discussing opinions. I've expressed an opinion. The preciousness has been strung out by you wanting to make such a meal out of that request, yet flatly refusing to discuss the reasoning behind it.

None of us have £50M to spare. You'd better instruct Foxy to close this place down.

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Time for me to step out I think, I've clearly met my match now Swiss has resorted to this kind of deep and syllogistic type of arguing.

Been an interesting point to debate, always a pity when it degenerates like this. Thanks anyway

Christ! My sincerest apologies chaps, didn't mean to offend, but I underestimated your sensitivity by asking you to do something about it rather than just sit and demand an apology like a queen on her throne, pointing out the failings of the last 2, 3, 4 or 5 years.

This is actually one of the most amusing threads in a while.

I've only strung it out because you keep saying you fail to see the logic, when i also fail to see yours. I understand the reasoning behind wanting the apology, Balderunner made this clear, I'm a Blade and I might also highlight failings, but I fail to see what the point of demanding this apology is. Perhaps it gets "closure" for your loss, perhaps it was discussed with the doctor, I don't know

If you feel so strongly about getting your apology then the next obvious step is to write to the club.

I'm obviously different to you, I don't seek apologies from people when their intentions were good. I just demand that action is taken to rectify the situation. For the final time, I don't know if McCabes intentions were good, but i'll assume that they were. I therefore don't feel the need to then get embroiled in a micro analysis of each mistake, hence my refusal to discuss these mistakes on this thread

 

[alcoblade]

Again, you want to question why people want an apology, but can't engage in why they want an apology. Pretty pointless, but fun while it lasted.



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[Worksop II]

None of us have £50M to spare

The Euromillions is on a £60 Million Rollover this Friday, I think thats a safer bet than a Blades win this week .......

 

[SwissBlade]

Again, you want to question why people want an apology, but can't engage in why they want an apology. Pretty pointless, but fun while it lasted.



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I read the reasons for demanding an apology.

I don't agree that an apology is needed or indeed constructive.

Therefore no point in me engaging in a discussion of the reasons for the apology

If the thread was about the mistakes made over the last 1-10 years then perhaps i'd contribute, but its not its about an apology.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

Biggest apology McCabe could make is loosening the purse strings for a really special loan to get us out of this shit.

 

[JohnDenver]

Biggest apology McCabe could make is loosening the purse strings for a really special loan to get us out of this shit.

Too late for this season. But we still need significant money just to compete next year. Someone needs to provide it.

 

[alcoblade]

If the thread was about the mistakes made over the last 1-10 years then perhaps i'd contribute, but its not its about an apology.

You slippery bugger you...

It's exactly about the mistakes made over the last "10" (actually 5)years. They have been almost continual and have now cvulminated in huge debt, a poor squad and relegation to the 3rd tier. That is why I think an apology would be in the interests of the club.

I can't get my head around your effort to seperate the disastrous decisions that have occured and an apology for them. But I get the impression that I'm never going to understand.

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All I ask is for Kevin McCabe to stop skulking around and come forward with a statement. An apology. A recognition that his unbelievably imbecilic decision to appoint Robson and his subsequent managerial decisions

To bring it back to the OP on which you founded your stance. It's you who wants to seperate the mistakes from the apology.

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[oldblade]

I don't want an appology. I have no doubt at all that those who run the club did what they thought was best for the club. I'm not saying that some of them didn't hope to gain personally as well. They might have done. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure Mr McCabe got involved in Hungary, China and building the hotel because he thought it could and would benefit the club.
Unfortunately, as it has turned out, none of those things has been a benefit. Rather than providing additional income streams (remember, that was the plan - to provide constant income streams when on field fortunes weren't so good!), they seem to have been an additional financial burden.

I find the accounts very difficult to understand and am never really sure what they say. But I suspect that money from the football club has been used to support these other activities, and also suspect that some of our player sales may well have been forced to take place because of this.

Ironic really. We get involved in these other areas in order to generate income to assist the football club, but in the end it is the football club that has to try and support these other activities.

However, back to the original point. I don't feel the McCabe, board, or anyone needs to appologise. They did what they thought was right at the time. It turned out not to be. That's life.

All I would say is that I want honesty. I don't want to be told we are going to make quality signings when we are not. I don't want to be told we're not going to rely on loans when in fact we are. I don't want to be told that we are going to establish ourselves as a top half premier league side if it's not matched by the financial support necessary to get us there, and I don't want to be told that we're aiming for Europe in 5 years if it's not backed by action. In short, I don't want my expectations raised by words that say one thing and then have my hopes dashed by actions that don't match the words. This is a football club, not a political party.

However, as for an appology. I don't want one. And I don't see the need for one. I would guess that McCabe has put into the club a lot more financially than he has taken out.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't want an appology. I have no doubt at all that those who run the club did what they thought was best for the club. I'm not saying that some of them didn't hope to gain personally as well. They might have done. I don't know. But I'm pretty sure Mr McCabe got involved in Hungary, China and building the hotel because he thought it could and would benefit the club.
Unfortunately, as it has turned out, none of those things has been a benefit. Rather than providing additional income streams (remember, that was the plan - to provide constant income streams when on field fortunes weren't so good!), they seem to have been an additional financial burden.

I find the accounts very difficult to understand and am never really sure what they say. But I suspect that money from the football club has been used to support these other activities, and also suspect that some of our player sales may well have been forced to take place because of this.

Ironic really. We get involved in these other areas in order to generate income to assist the football club, but in the end it is the football club that has to try and support these other activities.

However, back to the original point. I don't feel the McCabe, board, or anyone needs to appologise. They did what they thought was right at the time. It turned out not to be. That's life.

All I would say is that I want honesty. I don't want to be told we are going to make quality signings when we are not. I don't want to be told we're not going to rely on loans when in fact we are. I don't want to be told that we are going to establish ourselves as a top half premier league side if it's not matched by the financial support necessary to get us there, and I don't want to be told that we're aiming for Europe in 5 years if it's not backed by action. In short, I don't want my expectations raised by words that say one thing and then have my hopes dashed by actions that don't match the words. This is a football club, not a political party.

However, as for an appology. I don't want one. And I don't see the need for one. I would guess that McCabe has put into the club a lot more financially than he has taken out.

Excellent post OB. I actually agree with just about all of it. I differ in that I think it would be in McCabe's and the clubs' interest to make public statement outlining where he went wrong, what he plans to do to rectify it, and apologising for the outcomes. He needs t separate the past from the future if he is to re engage thousands of Blades who have lost interest and see him as the root cause for our problems.

It could be argued that that stance is hindsight. I'd argue that these outcomes were telegraphed up front. Either way, this statement may go some way to draw a line under and patch up the damage that has been done.

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[lenners]

Basically yeah. Like Rattly, i'd rather the club said nothing and just got on with it.

If you were running the club and it were in the same position, would your first thought be a) lets write (another) apology to the fans or b) get on with the job and put the wrongs right.

Seems from your logic that you'd prefer option a)

Since McCabe's said nothing after the AGM we've appointed a manager who's made the worst managerial start in our history, signed Collins and Doyle, brought in more dreadful loanings and served up some of the worst, dispirited shyte in years.
Is that what you meant by b)?

 

[beightonblade]

I don't understand ......................... one minute McCabes the best we've had ..... now most folk want him out !

Whats going on ?

 

[SouthEssexBlade]

I don't understand ......................... one minute McCabes the best we've had ..... now most folk want him out !

Whats going on ?

I think more to the point BB is that McCabe wants out!

 

[Rattly Noise]

brought in more dreadful loanings ....

I agree some of the signings haven't turned out as anyone hoped, but you've got to admit that Riise is pretty good though. Don't all clubs make good and bad signings? The difference is that more of ours have turned out bad than good. Likewise don't all clubs make good and bad decisions? It's football.

 

[oldblade]

Some signings can appear worse than they really are because they are playing in a team that is poor in every department, or because the team isn't functioning as a team. I'm not saying Collins and Doyle are world beaters, but if the rest of the side was a bit better, they might also appear a bit better.

Remember Bob Booker. I'm sure he would be the first to agree that he wasn't exactly the most gifted individual, but he did well for us. Probably because he was playing in a team that played as a team, didn't have a brittle mental attitude, and had a few useful individuals. But was he more talented than Doyle or Collins? Probably not, but he became a cult figure at Bramall Lane.