Those who are hopeful of a takeover... careful what you wish for

[Sean Thornton]

Correct we must have saved a few quid paying way under the going rate . We were paying average championship wages playing in the prem .

Spend spend spend eh Viv?

 

[bertieblade]

Correct we must have saved a few quid paying way under the going rate . We were paying average championship wages playing in the prem .

We were paying higher than average championship wages when in the premiership, if that were not the case why did the players have relegation clauses written into their contracts.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I agree with you, unfortunately the vast majority of clubs we were competing against had either been in the premier league for years or bounced up and down and subsequently could afford higher wages.
But the point being addressed is why we have no money to spend now and in the immediate future?
In addition to paying what for us were high wages, the majority of other clubs had purchased players (lump sum) who increased or at the very least retained their value. Unfortunately ours bombed out and we continue to pay their wages even though they were not in the team or no one else wants them. we therefore have to write off the transfer cost whilst continuing to pay the inflated salaries for players of reduced value.
Would you pay mcburnie £20k net / week.?
moose, burke, freeman? And nil return.
I would guesstimate that we have had to write off approaching £100m in transfer fees and wages, let alone pay ongoing overheads.

Looking at the lack of success from the signings, there’s no guarantee we wouldn’t have gone down anyway. Higher wages and transfer fees would just increase the size of the millstone.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

You appeared to be querying whether we had any high value contracts. For us, clearly we have. Compare us to anyone else if you like but even being factually correct it’s nonsensical for the financial position we are in.

God forbid you can be positive now and again.

Most people would call me a clapper. I thought bladespod boys writing us off as mid table for much of the season was ultra negative and apparently they get some mild criticism for being clappers themselves


If pointing out we were the lowest wage payers amongst peers is being overly negative then I guess I am. We were basically buying from the Tesco value in a league full of Waitrose. We might be back in the asda league now but we have no idea what or wages look like now Wilder claims we had a 50% wage cut on relegation so if that is actually true doubt we are biggest spenders in the championship either

 

[Sean Thornton]

Most people would call me a clapper. I thought bladespod boys writing us off as mid table for much of the season was ultra negative and apparently they get some mild criticism for being clappers themselves


If pointing out we were the lowest wage payers amongst peers is being overly negative then I guess I am. We were basically buying from the Tesco value in a league full of Waitrose. We might be back in the asda league now but we have no idea what or wages look like now Wilder claims we had a 50% wage cut on relegation so if that is actually true doubt we are biggest spenders in the championship either

The lowest wages paid isn’t in doubt so banging that drum doesn’t change any point. Nor is the wage cut issue.

“High value contracts claim some”

That was the first part of your comment. I asked if you doubted that. All you’ve done is compare us to the rest of the PL, presumably including the champions, whilst ignoring the financial restraints we operate under.

If l’ve got your overall negativity wrong. Apologies.

 

[petcharlie]

We were paying higher than average championship wages when in the premiership, if that were not the case why did the players have relegation clauses written into their contracts.

I think it's common knowledge we were well adrift of every single club in the top flight when it came to wages .

 

[petcharlie]

Spend spend spend eh Viv?

NO NO NO Just a bit now and again would be a change we have spent nowt in the last two windows apart from temporary loans to strengthen the squad. Hardly a forward thinking club ,are we destining to be small fry for ever ? Can not believe I am saying this but them at Sheff 6 seem to have more ambition than us .I shall wait for the flack now ha ha . But we are going nowhere . Three managers in a short time have commented on the lack of commitment . A s for spend spend spend as you put it just spend something for Christ sake would be a change to get us going forward . We are just treading water going nowhere . To many clubs in the princes portfolio all going nowhere his butter is spread to thinly . Even the lack of investment in the infrastructure is in my opinion is starting to have an effect at the club where there's been lots of talk on what is required but no bloody action . We already have a rust bucket in our town hope we don't end up with another one. Time to go Prince got nowt .

 

[Keen Blade]

NO NO NO Just a bit now and again would be a change we have spent nowt in the last two windows apart from temporary loans to strengthen the squad. Hardly a forward thinking club ,are we destining to be small fry for ever ? Can not believe I am saying this but them at Sheff 6 seem to have more ambition than us .I shall wait for the flack now ha ha . But we are going nowhere . Three managers in a short time have commented on the lack of commitment . A s for spend spend spend as you put it just spend something for Christ sake would be a change to get us going forward . We are just treading water going nowhere . To many clubs in the princes portfolio all going nowhere his butter is spread to thinly . Even the lack of investment in the infrastructure is in my opinion is starting to have an effect at the club where there's been lots of talk on what is required but no bloody action . We already have a rust bucket in our town hope we don't end up with another one. Time to go Prince got nowt .

Why don't you go and find us some billionaire sugar daddy ?
McCabe tried for over a decade + failed.
Prince never promised to sink massive free money into us , coz he didn't have any ,so it's wrong to complain at him when he spent all the PL income backing the fees & wages of Wilder's horrendous recruitment from 2019.
Big bucks deals with no value at the end of them , just off the top of my head ...
Luke Freeman , never used , worthless in the end.
Calum Robinson , swapped for worthless Burke.
Moussefat , worthless.
McBurnie , worthless.
Brewster , not ready for adult football + now injured for months.
All the above represent dead money.
Berge , be lucky to get half back.
Plus all the daft contracts given out to fading players as rewards.
Cheapest ticket prices for miles around , the only way to get the ground anywhere near full.
Look at the accounts.
We were a newbie in the PL so couldn't possibly chuck money around that we didn't actually have.
We couldn't recoup any fees from selling players to the top 6 coz we had none to sell.
All we could do was buy , in the hope of staying up.
Then JoC , probably our biggest player asset , got broken in training. Potential £50m down the drain.
The Prince gave the whole PL income to Wilder & the fans , despite Covid.
Not his fault that Wilder's signings have failed to produce any financial return other than Ramsdale.
Any investor looking carefully at us as a Championship club would know from our history that if he put ticket prices up by any significant amount our gates would fall off a cliff.
We aren't a Sunderland or Burnley , where half the town goes to the footy every week.
Anyway , you keep dreaming of some billionaire who wants to buy us + pour in his own money.
But it'll never happen.

 

[Dkc]

Why don't you go and find us some billionaire sugar daddy ?
McCabe tried for over a decade + failed.
Prince never promised to sink massive free money into us , coz he didn't have any ,so it's wrong to complain at him when he spent all the PL income backing the fees & wages of Wilder's horrendous recruitment from 2019.
Big bucks deals with no value at the end of them , just off the top of my head ...
Luke Freeman , never used , worthless in the end.
Calum Robinson , swapped for worthless Burke.
Moussefat , worthless.
McBurnie , worthless.
Brewster , not ready for adult football + now injured for months.
All the above represent dead money.
Berge , be lucky to get half back.
Plus all the daft contracts given out to fading players as rewards.
Cheapest ticket prices for miles around , the only way to get the ground anywhere near full.
Look at the accounts.
We were a newbie in the PL so couldn't possibly chuck money around that we didn't actually have.
We couldn't recoup any fees from selling players to the top 6 coz we had none to sell.
All we could do was buy , in the hope of staying up.
Then JoC , probably our biggest player asset , got broken in training. Potential £50m down the drain.
The Prince gave the whole PL income to Wilder & the fans , despite Covid.
Not his fault that Wilder's signings have failed to produce any financial return other than Ramsdale.
Any investor looking carefully at us as a Championship club would know from our history that if he put ticket prices up by any significant amount our gates would fall off a cliff.
We aren't a Sunderland or Burnley , where half the town goes to the footy every week.
Anyway , you keep dreaming of some billionaire who wants to buy us + pour in his own money.
But it'll never happen.

Brewster and McBurnie were both highly-rated players when we signed them, and many more clubs were interested. I don't think it's anyone's 'fault' that they performed poorly for the Blades. Football history is full of high profile transfers that were a disappointment. Moose was a gamble that didn't pay off, but you can't blame Wilder or anyone else for the poor form of the other signings. No one can anticipate whether a player (or manager) will continue to perform well at a new club, and no one can anticipate injuries. Who's to say Brewster and McB won't start banging them in next season? Berge has come good, and it sounds like we're still hopeful of getting most of our money back if he's sold.

Our terrible form in 20/21 was down to many things. No fans in the stadium for one. Losing arguably the best goalkeeper in the country was another. The injury setbacks for JOC, and injuries to others. Questionable refereeing and VAR decisions, and the deterioration of the relationship between the manager and owner were all factors.

 

[petcharlie]

Why don't you go and find us some billionaire sugar daddy ?
McCabe tried for over a decade + failed.
Prince never promised to sink massive free money into us , coz he didn't have any ,so it's wrong to complain at him when he spent all the PL income backing the fees & wages of Wilder's horrendous recruitment from 2019.
Big bucks deals with no value at the end of them , just off the top of my head ...
Luke Freeman , never used , worthless in the end.
Calum Robinson , swapped for worthless Burke.
Moussefat , worthless.
McBurnie , worthless.
Brewster , not ready for adult football + now injured for months.
All the above represent dead money.
Berge , be lucky to get half back.
Plus all the daft contracts given out to fading players as rewards.
Cheapest ticket prices for miles around , the only way to get the ground anywhere near full.
Look at the accounts.
We were a newbie in the PL so couldn't possibly chuck money around that we didn't actually have.
We couldn't recoup any fees from selling players to the top 6 coz we had none to sell.
All we could do was buy , in the hope of staying up.
Then JoC , probably our biggest player asset , got broken in training. Potential £50m down the drain.
The Prince gave the whole PL income to Wilder & the fans , despite Covid.
Not his fault that Wilder's signings have failed to produce any financial return other than Ramsdale.
Any investor looking carefully at us as a Championship club would know from our history that if he put ticket prices up by any significant amount our gates would fall off a cliff.
We aren't a Sunderland or Burnley , where half the town goes to the footy every week.
Anyway , you keep dreaming of some billionaire who wants to buy us + pour in his own money.
But it'll never happen.

You just stating the obvious that every blades fan already knows but how long and how many seasons do we go without investment in the team or the training facilities before we recover from as you say some horrendous signings . The prince got the Blades for next to nothing but even having paid peanuts for the club he was not in a position to sustain a club of our size . We have a aging squad that wants new blood injecting into it no matter which way you look at it what I want to know where are these new players coming from? This squad peaked two years ago . With our present owner the only way is backwards .It cost us dear having substanded training facilities according to the manager which added to long term injuries which in turn could have cost us promotion along with dropping a bollock hiring the wrong man to manage the club .Who by the way along with Wilder and our present manager slagged off our training ground at Shirecliffe . Still nothing as come of it .Are they all wrong? Even when we were in the prem we were not prepared to offer our targets what the other clubs were offering so we had to make do with 2nd and 3rd choice signings thats why we ended up with sub standed recruits and we are still lumbered with them now. Wilder will no doubt get the blame but was it Wilders fault that he had to make do with players who were not his real targets? Or is it we were along with a wage structure that was not realistic in the prem doing things on the cheap?

 

[JJBlade]

We were paying higher than average championship wages when in the premiership, if that were not the case why did the players have relegation clauses written into their contracts.

So that we can pay less than average championship wages when we went down.

That's the one thing we will always do, pay less.

We have a club packed to the rafters on lower earners who struggle to get a game even when we have an injury crisis, and that has always been the way, instead of having 30% less players and better wages.

 

[Bladeloyal]

You can pay a turd 20k a week ,you can pay it 50k a week it's still a turd

 

[TJ blade]

Why don't you go and find us some billionaire sugar daddy ?
McCabe tried for over a decade + failed.
Prince never promised to sink massive free money into us , coz he didn't have any ,so it's wrong to complain at him when he spent all the PL income backing the fees & wages of Wilder's horrendous recruitment from 2019.
Big bucks deals with no value at the end of them , just off the top of my head ...
Luke Freeman , never used , worthless in the end.
Calum Robinson , swapped for worthless Burke.
Moussefat , worthless.
McBurnie , worthless.
Brewster , not ready for adult football + now injured for months.
All the above represent dead money.
Berge , be lucky to get half back.
Plus all the daft contracts given out to fading players as rewards.
Cheapest ticket prices for miles around , the only way to get the ground anywhere near full.
Look at the accounts.
We were a newbie in the PL so couldn't possibly chuck money around that we didn't actually have.
We couldn't recoup any fees from selling players to the top 6 coz we had none to sell.
All we could do was buy , in the hope of staying up.
Then JoC , probably our biggest player asset , got broken in training. Potential £50m down the drain.
The Prince gave the whole PL income to Wilder & the fans , despite Covid.
Not his fault that Wilder's signings have failed to produce any financial return other than Ramsdale.
Any investor looking carefully at us as a Championship club would know from our history that if he put ticket prices up by any significant amount our gates would fall off a cliff.
We aren't a Sunderland or Burnley , where half the town goes to the footy every week.
Anyway , you keep dreaming of some billionaire who wants to buy us + pour in his own money.
But it'll never happen.

Fucking hell, if your not depressed now you will be after reading this

 

[ATL Recs]

Well that was nearly two years ago . Do we not have to spend anything for the next 3 or 4 years

Brewster and McBurnie were both highly-rated players when we signed them, and many more clubs were interested. I don't think it's anyone's 'fault' that they performed poorly for the Blades. Football history is full of high profile transfers that were a disappointment. Moose was a gamble that didn't pay off, but you can't blame Wilder or anyone else for the poor form of the other signings. No one can anticipate whether a player (or manager) will continue to perform well at a new club, and no one can anticipate injuries. Who's to say Brewster and McB won't start banging them in next season? Berge has come good, and it sounds like we're still hopeful of getting most of our money back if he's sold.

Our terrible form in 20/21 was down to many things. No fans in the stadium for one. Losing arguably the best goalkeeper in the country was another. The injury setbacks for JOC, and injuries to others. Questionable refereeing and VAR decisions, and the deterioration of the relationship between the manager and owner were all factors.

Please don’t use the no fans In the ground crap as part of your reasoning that was a level playing field for every club

 

[Dkc]

Please don’t use the no fans In the ground crap as part of your reasoning that was a level playing field for every club

I doubt it made as much a difference to, say, Arsenal as it did to us.

 

[Espania blade]

Please don’t use the no fans In the ground crap as part of your reasoning that was a level playing field for every club

Except at Shirecliffe apparently

 

[Sean Thornton]

You just stating the obvious that every blades fan already knows but how long and how many seasons do we go without investment in the team or the training facilities before we recover from as you say some horrendous signings . The prince got the Blades for next to nothing but even having paid peanuts for the club he was not in a position to sustain a club of our size . We have a aging squad that wants new blood injecting into it no matter which way you look at it what I want to know where are these new players coming from? This squad peaked two years ago . With our present owner the only way is backwards .It cost us dear having substanded training facilities according to the manager which added to long term injuries which in turn could have cost us promotion along with dropping a bollock hiring the wrong man to manage the club .Who by the way along with Wilder and our present manager slagged off our training ground at Shirecliffe . Still nothing as come of it .Are they all wrong? Even when we were in the prem we were not prepared to offer our targets what the other clubs were offering so we had to make do with 2nd and 3rd choice signings thats why we ended up with sub standed recruits and we are still lumbered with them now. Wilder will no doubt get the blame but was it Wilders fault that he had to make do with players who were not his real targets? Or is it we were along with a wage structure that was not realistic in the prem doing things on the cheap?

“Next to nothing”

You must be a very wealthy man.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So that we can pay less than average championship wages when we went down.

That's the one thing we will always do, pay less.

We have a club packed to the rafters on lower earners who struggle to get a game even when we have an injury crisis, and that has always been the way, instead of having 30% less players and better wages.

Based on your logic, how would we have gone on last season with the injuries? 11x 30%.

 

[Bladeloyal]

We had players on 2.5 m ayear in the prem not bad for a newly promoted team .let that sink in 2.5 m for kicking a bag of wind ,or in mooses case sat on his fat arse

 

[petcharlie]

“Next to nothing”

You must be a very wealthy man.

Well i think i might be able to scrape up a quid for half of the club.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well i think i might be able to scrape up a quid for half of the club.

Again, little knowledge.

 

[petcharlie]

Based on your logic, how would we have gone on last season with the injuries? 11x 30%.

Well if the training ground had some cash spent on it we might not have had so many injuries. I honestly did not know our manager was going to write an article outlining in the Star saying just that today. A lot of the injuries was brought on by poor training facilities at Shirecliffe according to him. Our last manager and Wilder and now our present manager saying the same thing .

 

[petcharlie]

Again, little knowledge.

REALLY well what did he pay then ?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Well if the training ground had some cash spent on it we might not have had so many injuries. I honestly did not know our manager was going to write an article outlining in the Star saying just that today. A lot of the injuries was brought on by poor training facilities at Shirecliffe according to him. Our last manager and Wilder and now our present manager saying the same thing .

I’ve asked the question before, maybe you can answer. How many of our serious injuries occurred on the pitch during games?

 

[Sean Thornton]

REALLY well what did he pay then ?

£10m for FC shares. Initially.

It’s not as if it’s not been shown to be a fact on here many times in the past.

As my Nan used to say, there’s none so blind as those that don’t want to see.

 

[petcharlie]

We had players on 2.5 m ayear in the prem not bad for a newly promoted team .let that sink in 2.5 m for kicking a bag of wind ,or in mooses case sat on his fat arse

We were rock bottom ,last, lagging behind, Every single club in the prem with our wage bill. Yes 2.5 mill a year is a lot of money but thats nowt comparing other clubs in the prem. Obscene yes but fact

 

[petcharlie]

I’ve asked the question before, maybe you can answer. How many of our serious injuries occurred on the pitch during games?

No idea but I am sure EIinstein you will inform us all on here of your opinion. I take it you are for more informed about it than the manager is or the last two managers we have had . Have you read the article the manager has given the Star today? Of course I will ignore his ranting and bow to your obviously more smart info .

 

[petcharlie]

£10m for FC shares. Initially.

It’s not as if it’s not been shown to be a fact on here many times in the past.

As my Nan used to say, there’s none so blind as those that don’t want to see.

Are you counting the quid? that would be 10mill and one pound then. Still bloody cheap for half a club the size of SUFC.

 

[petcharlie]

£10m for FC shares. Initially.

It’s not as if it’s not been shown to be a fact on here many times in the past.

As my Nan used to say, there’s none so blind as those that don’t want to see.

T he thing I do SEE is a Football club at a standstill and slowly starting to slip back without any signs of our owner being able or unwilling to do anything about it. Slow but sure we will soon be where we were 4 or 5 years ago if action is not taken.

 

[TommoM]

Are you counting the quid? that would be 10mill and one pound then. Still bloody cheap for half a club the size of SUFC.

A club that didn’t own its own ground or training facilities and was just beginning its 3rd season in league 1 after losing to Yeovil town in the play off semi finals the year before. I’d say it was probably about right for the time but you’ve obviously made your mind up and all that matters is this “quid”