This is what happens when...

[SUFCinks]

What makes you think hamer is better than berge? I haven't seen it

So far i have to agree, not to say that hamer won’t become a success though. He’s done a few good things but also been very sloppy.

The amount of inaccurate passes and times he has lost the ball for us in the small amount of games played is quite concerning. It’s like he’s always wanting to play the killer pass regardless of wether it’s on and often plays it straight back to the other team without thought for the momentum of the game.

Sometimes you need to just keep the ball ticking a little bit and stay composed and get some control of the game. Otherwise we are just inviting more pressure back on ourselves.

 

[SRA76]

And it may be a catalyst to something better.

It could go either way. We shall see.

I admire your optimism but nothing good is coming from that today That’s not a good hiding that’s just plain embarrassing and I haven’t got a clue how the players are going to recover from this . I like heck but he’s got to go and he surely will now

 

[Grandmanasty]

This is what happens when you don’t retain possession properly.

We seem unable to do this. Against teams that are doped up to the eyeballs financially you can’t hand them the ball so easily.

There are question marks about all three initial goals - handball, handball and no foul. Without them the game wouldn’t have finished so badly. It is a pity it did because it does mean the officials get away with it and quite frankly it is going to sound ridiculous in a press conference when you then went on to concede six more.

This is absolutely my opinion. Come out at half to 0-0 and the second half doesn’t happen.
Where the fuck was VAR for the first two goals? Absolutely abysmal. I don’t remember ever being this angry about a football match before.

 

[Champagneblade]

This is absolutely my opinion. Come out at half to 0-0 and the second half doesn’t happen.
Where the fuck was VAR for the first two goals? Absolutely abysmal. I don’t remember ever being this angry about a football match before.

If they can go back to Lundstram’s
cross prior to the actual cross that’s scored, why can’t they disallowed a corner for handball that leads to a goal?

Also wasn’t the handball what kept the ball in play more or less? How can that not be deemed significant? Robinson with a strong block tackle gets a foul given and Trippier asking for him to get booked doesn’t get one himself. How was a. The Rotherham player booked in similar circumstances and b. McBurnie booked for pointing out a foul and not even asking for a booking?

I’m just at a loss with the rules or the interpretation of them these days. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Lincoln City had enough for a penalty shoot out win, a drab and mediocre league one set of cloggers against our back up plus McBurnie and Archer. The lack of strength in depth is surely worse than any other PL team. Fucking appalling.

 

[HodgysBrokenThumb]

I doubt Berge would have changed the balance of play today,

 

[metalblade]

What makes you think hamer is better than berge? I haven't seen it

Me neither he has scored a couple of cracking goals but that's it, he gives the ball away for too often at least Berge didn't give the ball away so cheaply.

 

[SuperBobbyHatton]

Don’t think today was owt to do with any of that. We are just not able to compete at this level, it’s practical impossible. You either need a billionaire, a good manager, better players, a big dose of luck or all those things. We have non of those. It’s not any bodies fault really, we are slightly too good for the championship but nowhere near competitive in the premier league and unfortunately there isn’t an in between league. Sad but true.

 

[Chazzer]

McBurnie would have made a big differenve today, both in attack and defence. We are also badly missing Baldock. Egan is off form and has never really been a leader....time for a shake up in defence.

 

[Barnette]

Sometimes you need a disaster like today to happen for reality to set in. It's how you react that counts.

 

[reedy63]

We are not good enough because Prince got us into an embargo situation with no money to buy players in January. managed to hold onto Ndiaye and Berge and got promoted. then only had £20m to buy new players then at nearly the end of the summer transfer window sold Ndiaye and Berge cheaply.to put more pressure on Hecky.He brought in a few good players in the end. however, none of the players have played in the premier league before. not Hecky's fault. he did what he could. we had a fairly good start to the season. running Man City close. The draw against Everton is our only point though. we got beat today by Newcastle 8-0.ok some dodgy refereeing in the first half and cheating mostly in the first half. In the second half we could not cope with the fast counter attack from Newcastle in the end the Blades players gave up that is not good now at the bottom of the premier league with a very poor goal difference. no money to buy in January. The Blame for this is that prince.he has to sell up before Christmas otherwise we will be sadly relegated.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Hed have been another player receiving long balls to compete against 6’4” markers - tactically genius

That was exactly it. We played as though McBurnie was up front. Absolutely unfathomable.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

If they can go back to Lundstram’s
cross prior to the actual cross that’s scored, why can’t they disallowed a corner for handball that leads to a goal?

Also wasn’t the handball what kept the ball in play more or less? How can that not be deemed significant? Robinson with a strong block tackle gets a foul given and Trippier asking for him to get booked doesn’t get one himself. How was a. The Rotherham player booked in similar circumstances and b. McBurnie booked for pointing out a foul and not even asking for a booking?

I’m just at a loss with the rules or the interpretation of them these days. I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Haven't seen it back but from where I was sat in the John Street stand the ball looked well out for the first.

 

[CPB]

There's absolutely no doubting our transfer planning this summer was shocking.

Im not knocking the new signings, especially the likes of Hamer and archer but too late really.

Also the first set of signings are technically in the development nature of the first team squad. This is Traore, Slimane and Larouchi. Would it have been wiser to sign one less and sign a higher calibre player instead. Whilst perhaps keeping a sharp in the squad for experience, morale and a bench option?

This isn't a crit on hecky either my understanding is transfer dealings are much more prince and board.

As for not losing N'Diaye. The way I see it is if we hadn't sold N'Diaye we would have Souza on loan and likely no archer at all.
Not sell sander and we wouldn't buy Hamer.

I think in any scenario N'Diaye in the squad is deffo an improvement for us because he really made us tick.

Having both sander and Hamer be nice but that can't exist because our structure can't allow....And to be honest despite reading about all our embargo and financial dealings. I do wonder why

 

[bakeblade]

That was exactly it. We played as though McBurnie was up front. Absolutely unfathomable.

But we didn't set out to play like that. The problem is the back 5 are not good enough to play it out from the back, a bit of pressure from the attackers and it goes back to Wes who has no option but to just launch it.

 

[Junior Soduko]

There's absolutely no doubting our transfer planning this summer was shocking.

Im not knocking the new signings, especially the likes of Hamer and archer but too late really.

Also the first set of signings are technically in the development nature of the first team squad. This is Traore, Slimane and Larouchi. Would it have been wiser to sign one less and sign a higher calibre player instead. Whilst perhaps keeping a sharp in the squad for experience, morale and a bench option?

This isn't a crit on hecky either my understanding is transfer dealings are much more prince and board.

As for not losing N'Diaye. The way I see it is if we hadn't sold N'Diaye we would have Souza on loan and likely no archer at all.
Not sell sander and we wouldn't buy Hamer.

I think in any scenario N'Diaye in the squad is deffo an improvement for us because he really made us tick.

Having both sander and Hamer be nice but that can't exist because our structure can't allow....And to be honest despite reading about all our embargo and financial dealings. I do wonder why

This is the epitome of the problem in a nutshell.

For whatever reason the powers that be thought the the signings of Traore, Slimane and Larouchi were going to give us a chance of staying up. Hamer and Archer are only here because of the Berge and Iliman sales. This tells you all you need to know, it never was a serious plan to stay in the division, wasting the money on the development players has been nothing short of a disaster.

We should have crawled over broken glass to sign Tommy Doyle imo. Worst case if we get relegated you can sell him to balance the books. We are lacking quality and depth in almost every position. I dont put the blame at the managers door for this, but collectively the club need to accept respsonsibility for what can be only be described as a shambles of a transfer window.

 

[Greg.]

Only consolidation to say is Burnley spent net just under £100m this window and have a manager who Sky wouldn't stop praising last season and they don't look particularly likely to stay up either

 

[Houston_Blade]

We should have crawled over broken glass to sign Tommy Doyle imo.

We didn’t have a chance though, he was used as a makeweight in a deal, we couldn’t have signed him unless we had someone Man City wanted to go the other way, sadly we haven’t got anyone good enough for their reserves.

 

[Keen Blade]

This is... baloney.

Ndiaye was irreplaceable for a club like ours and wanted out. Berge was replaced by a much better player.

In fact our first XI, and squad, is a lot stronger than the one we came up with.

We took a battering that had maybe been coming, it's the reaction to that which will define the season.

If you thought we wouldn't have an almighty battle to stay up regardless then you must be on S6-Deludamol. I've always thought we would go straight back down, but I'm actually happier with the squad than I thought I'd be.

This is one game, not an entire season.

This one game has blown our GD for half a season.
Of course we all knew we were relegation candidates but players giving up like today should not be in our DNA.
If Hecky doesn't call it out in the dressing room , he's asking for more of the same.

 

[Weasel]

I still can't get my head around this result. The biggest question for me is 'where were the team leaders out there on the pitch'? Who was out there trying to get a grip of things and telling the others to buck their ideas up and keep the score down to something more respectable? Why didn't we sun off any that had just given up? Inexcusable. What a pathetic set of wankers. Where was the individual professional pride?

 

[Keen Blade]

I wonder if Hecky regrets going after the ref so publicly after Spurs - did he set the tone for the players ?
So that once a few decisions go against us , they are absolved of responsibility - they just give up

 

[Guesty]

This is absolutely my opinion. Come out at half to 0-0 and the second half doesn’t happen.
Where the fuck was VAR for the first two goals? Absolutely abysmal. I don’t remember ever being this angry about a football match before.

VAR couldn't do anything about the second goal, the award of corners isn't reviewed.

 

[Champagneblade]

VAR couldn't do anything about the second goal, the award of corners isn't reviewed.

You are right but it’s just another example of what the officials missed.

 

[Guesty]

You are right but it’s just another example of what the officials missed.

Oh agreed, it was a bad decision that cost us, but not one we could blame VAR for.

 

[ATL Recs]

Hamer is a hell of a lot better (for us) than Berge

that’s a bold statement after 5 games

 

[BobblesBlade]

The main difference yesterday was the size of their players to ours.

We were pushed off the ball so easy.

We had no chance yesterday.

 

[Barnette]

So the dream midfield of McAtee Hamer and Souza is shown up for what it is...
lightweight. No chance know this division. Even with Norwood added in.

Teams counter with such pace and strength that we just cannot afford to add half our midfield to the attack as there is not enough left for when the move breaks down.

We also need to be 10% fitter than we are now.

 

[Surrey Blade]

And it may be a catalyst to something better.

It could go either way. We shall see.

Two years ago Southampton got tonked at home 8-0 by Leicester. They bounced back and stayed up that season. We can only live in hope!

 

[spikeachu]

VAR couldn't do anything about the second goal, the award of corners isn't reviewed.

And that's where the implementation is wrong. If the decision is so clear cut incorrect that the whole world knew it was handball before the ball was in the corner quadrant, what is wrong with VAR getting into the ref's earpiece;

[VAR] I don't think you had a good view of that. You need to give a handball against the attacker.

[REF] Quick VAR signal to let the crowd know why he changed his decision and award the freekick.

All sorted before the ball reaches the corner quadrant. No disruption to play, everyone happy.

If it's not so clear cut and needs replays then it's not a clear and obvious error and go with the on field refs call.

If a call can be corrected without disruption then it should be made.

 

[gordoncharles]

This one game has blown our GD for half a season.
Of course we all knew we were relegation candidates but players giving up like today should not be in our DNA.
If Hecky doesn't call it out in the dressing room , he's asking for more of the same.

We all know that. What matters now is the reaction to this humilation. Too many football fans whether they support us, or anyone else, seem to think the entire season rests on the previous result, good, bad or bad-almost-beyond-belief.

As excruciating as that was after the first 15 minutes, it's not been the trend. If we see similar next weekend, then it is.