The Wilder Rebuild of our Club.

[Woodwardfan]

If there are any sharks on this thread ( LYDON LS26BLADE , Sean Thornton ,pommpey , @ShockingBadBuy,Pierre's PC ) look at what they contribute.

 

[georgebernardshaw]

If there are any sharks on this thread ( LYDON LS26BLADE , Sean Thornton ,pommpey , @ShockingBadBuy,Pierre's PC ) look at what they contribute.

Even more pathetic than the last effort, why not get a life?

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

My feeling is that at the moment we aren’t ready for the premiership just yet. We might get promoted 5his season through the play offs but without massive investment in the team we will certainly come straight back down. Last weeks game at Leicester showed that the gulf is still massive, ok, we didn’t get hammered but still lost without really creating much in the way of chances and in my opinion Leicester still seemed to have a lot in reserve to step it up if needed.
I’m not sure which players Wilder could recruit if we did go up as he seems to like British players who buy into his work ethic and who have something to prove and are club men. This is fine and I agree with this but at the next level these players are harder to find, I’m guessing that if they are out there someone with more cash than us would have already snapped them up. I suppose the model for us could be Burnley but again we would be required to spend big eventually as will Burnley to keep on doing what they’ve achieved to date.
I think Wilder can take us up but we will need the sort of team investment that this club has never seen before to keep us there.
As for last night, I think the fans were concerned that QPR were getting too much space and time in midfield and were being allowed to run through our midfield, as they did when they scored, and I think this is why some were having a bit of a go at them. I don’t think they were necessarily being negative but were maybe just frustrated at what was happening and were just trying to influence a change in the way we were playing. Let’s face it, Wilder did change things and actually sorted it out.

 

[Valleyblade]

Can’t be bothered to read through all this can someone summise?

Woodward is wondering if wilder can get United established in the premier League by 2020.

Know one knows the answer, which is kind of the whole point of attending matches and following a football club.

Then the thread seemed to jump the shark, or something.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Woodward is wondering if wilder can get United established in the premier League by 2020.

Know one knows the answer, which is kind of the whole point of attending matches and following a football club.

Then the thread seemed to jump the shark, or something.

I know but I get so frustrated that these individuals have distracted the debating of proper issues for far too long.

 

[Woodwardfan]

My feeling is that at the moment we aren’t ready for the premiership just yet. We might get promoted 5his season through the play offs but without massive investment in the team we will certainly come straight back down. Last weeks game at Leicester showed that the gulf is still massive, ok, we didn’t get hammered but still lost without really creating much in the way of chances and in my opinion Leicester still seemed to have a lot in reserve to step it up if needed.
I’m not sure which players Wilder could recruit if we did go up as he seems to like British players who buy into his work ethic and who have something to prove and are club men. This is fine and I agree with this but at the next level these players are harder to find, I’m guessing that if they are out there someone with more cash than us would have already snapped them up. I suppose the model for us could be Burnley but again we would be required to spend big eventually as will Burnley to keep on doing what they’ve achieved to date.
I think Wilder can take us up but we will need the sort of team investment that this club has never seen before to keep us there.
As for last night, I think the fans were concerned that QPR were getting too much space and time in midfield and were being allowed to run through our midfield, as they did when they scored, and I think this is why some were having a bit of a go at them. I don’t think they were necessarily being negative but were maybe just frustrated at what was happening and were just trying to influence a change in the way we were playing. Let’s face it, Wilder did change things and actually sorted it out.

Absolutely.

Maybe the subs were 10 vital minutes too late though.

 

[Bladepicker]

Bladesway is fine since he asked although he won't see this.

Good news. I knew you had interractions with him through work I believe and he's not been in this manor for bare time blud - glad he's safe fam.

 

[Bladepicker]

That's 6 sharks listed without the dearly departed Durden!???

Does this mean the Super 6 have become the Magnificent 7?

 

[Snowman]

If there are any sharks on this thread ( LYDON LS26BLADE , Sean Thornton ,pommpey , @ShockingBadBuy,Pierre's PC ) look at what they contribute.

Oh FFS Please grow up and grow a pair. I hate bullying but I'm equally against pathetic martyrdom.

 

[Pierre's PC]

Good news. I knew you had interractions with him through work I believe and he's not been in this manor for bare time blud - glad he's safe fam.

Don't see as much of him now I'm up here but still manage to get out when he comes up.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Oh FFS Please grow up and grow a pair. I hate bullying but I'm equally against pathetic martyrdom.

That's your opinion and I respect it, of course I do. Please explain how you draw the line between the two though and how you have come to your conclusion in this case.

 

[pommpey]

I know but I get so frustrated that these individuals have distracted the debating of proper issues for far too long.

Is this about us, or about Sheffield United? Seems to me you default to the standard 'look how many people agree with me' when posing a no-brainer of a question just to up your self-esteem.

WWFQ: "Do we want WIlder to get us promoted some time in the next few years?"

All: "Yes please!"

WWF: "They see me rollin', and they still hatin' ... "

It's a bit daft, isn't it? Considering you have toed the party line for the past umpteen years with either unfaltering optimism (when things are going well) or abject absenteeism (when things are crap) I'd say we all knw the cut of your jib. If you're after scoring points from your critics on a pretty nailed-on proposition, you've failed. If you are asking if we'd prefer SUFC more success as a vehicle for scoring said points, then you've failed some more. And if you are about to prostrate yourself on the altar of bullying, then save yourself the trouble. You've been sussed.

Ask yourself the better question if the recent seemingly unresolved dealings with HRH and McCabe are a symbol that neither have the clout to sustain our ambitions (as supporters) upstairs when it comes to sustaining a PL position for more than five years. I don't think they have it myself, and don't worry ... this isn't another anti-McCabe rant. I'd rather some or other statement or gesture came out to illustrate that though. For me, I'd be happy if we didn't go up regardless, this season has been bloody brilliant - take a bow WIlder and the playing staff. I'd like us to consolidate further, ship out the patently incapable of PL play (like Basham, for example, but there are more) and Wilder to get the wind in his sails like Warnock did to get us there - and hopefully we can see some real talent interspersed with the stuff he already has to secure a place in the top flight for many seasons.

Note, anywhere in that statement I didn't namecheck any of my detractors and nemeses on here. There's no need. It's about United.

pommpey

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

pommpey

Tha' banned kid.
He wain't read it.

Tha'aht in noorty corner wi' us idiots.

 

[Sean Thornton]

pommpey

Tha' banned kid.
He wain't read it.

Tha'aht in noorty corner wi' us idiots.

He'll read it.

That's why he's not commented on threads where we did post on last nights game. Hesseen the posts. pommpey has nailed it there though but. I suspect it's the lance through the side or the vinegar to quench WWF's internet thirst that he so craves - and had worked hard to achieve over the last week or so. Doesn't like being talked about, hates not being talked about.

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

Absolutely.

Maybe the subs were 10 vital minutes too late though.

Agreed.

 

[Pierre's PC]

I just think it's a shame that Deadbat match report has been used to forward some agenda. I wouldn't comment on that thread as it would just add to the rubbish and take away for the fine job he does for exiles.

 

[Ron_Justice]

Question: How much does promotion to the PL get the club and when are those funds made available?

I only ask as this notion of 'needing big money (new investor/owner) to survive in the PL' is moot surely once in the PL. If promotion means guaranteed Millions in the bank, isn't 'having huge investment' just a matter of cash flow?

 

[Ron_Justice]

Absolutely.

Maybe the subs were 10 vital minutes too late though.

Did we lose last night?

 

[pommpey]

pommpey

Tha' banned kid.
He wain't read it.

Tha'aht in noorty corner wi' us idiots.

Been in it and served my penance.

Others are on thin ice, apparently ... but that aint my call, thankfully

pommpey

 

[Pinchy]

Good question:

YES, I think he's done a good job recruiting within his limited budget. If he'd have a bigger budget, he may have got better players (he may not of course).
YES. I think he can grow with the club. The refreshing attitude to going out and winning games rather than constantly aiming for a point is well worth maintaining. Personally, and I appreciate it is not everyone's view, the performance level is MORE important than the actual result (consistent performance WILL lead to consistent results).

I have enjoyed this season thoroughly and, although last night was not in my favourite 20 games of the season so far, I think the crowd were too critical when we were under the cosh. Experienced players at this level will not roll over for us just because we go two up like some teams might have done last season at the lower level.

It may not be everyone’s view but it’s every sensible person’s view, including that know-all, History.

 

[Pinchy]

To compare us to Leicester the other night, then I would say we are halfway there but we really need pace in attack and a player that is that little bit special...Is Brooks our Mahrez?
The other question is do we really want to go up, is it just more interesting and fun in the Championship??

If you don’t want to reach the top level in sport, stay home and play Ludo.

 

[Pinchy]

He'll read it.

That's why he's not commented on threads where we did post on last nights game. Hesseen the posts. pommpey has nailed it there though but. I suspect it's the lance through the side or the vinegar to quench WWF's internet thirst that he so craves - and had worked hard to achieve over the last week or so. Doesn't like being talked about, hates not being talked about.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

If you don’t want to reach the top level in sport, stay home and play Ludo.

To a very large degree I agree with you but nowadays the Premier League is so distorted by money that I can’t see us or any other club being anything other than a mid-table club. Fine for the first couple of years and then boredom

 

[Davalon]

If your aim isn't to progress then there is only one way you're likely to go on the short to medium term.

Naturally finance dictates and therefore not everyone can progress who wants to, but if you have the attitude that we're happy where we are now and not fussed about going any further, then you're more likely to regress than progress.

We know we haven't got the lolly to compete with a number at this level but that doesn't mean we have to have the approach to settle or stagnate.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

If your aim isn't to progress then there is only one way you're likely to go on the short to medium term.

Naturally finance dictates and therefore not everyone can progress who wants to, but if you have the attitude that we're happy where we are now and not fussed about going any further, then you're more likely to regress than progress.

We know we haven't got the lolly to compete with a number at this level but that doesn't mean we have to have the approach to settle or stagnate.

Again I agree, if you don’t progress then you regress. I think Stoke is a good example of a club: made it to the Premier League with Pullis and his style of ‘football ‘. Fans not content with that, sack him hire Hughes. He changes the style gets the club into top 10 consistently over 3 years. Fans want to make the next step but they can’t compete and break into top 6. No more progress and now it is regression. West Brom the same, Southampton the same. Just looking to survive because now they’re trapped by Premier League money, chopping and changing manager, but no real hope of cracking the top 6. Always selling their best players to top 6 clubs.

 

[Westran]

On the pitch Wilder has a style of football that favours work ethic and togetherness over individual brilliance, whilst also maintaining that the team should play attacking, attractive free flowing football. It's a perfect storm in terms of getting owners, fans, players and everyone else buying into the ethos. We're in a great place in that sense.

I think we're in a great position for the way English football finance will work in the future too. We are modelling a club based on financial prudency rather than relying on spending mega bucks to get results. If you look at the recent article about how the EPL have struggled to sell all their packages for next season, it's possible that in a few seasons premier league clubs who are used to being able to out muscle every league in the world financially (the closest is Germany with a wage bill half that of the PL) will have to manage on much smaller budgets with no real knowledge of how their infrastructure, scouting, wage bills etc. should be set up.

If things go well for us over the next couple of years and football finance in England does change, we could be in a brilliant position to take advantage and secure our place at a higher level.

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