The state of Sheffield football

[Bennyand the Blades]

Been going to the lane since 1957, about 60 odd years, nowt special I know,, but how many of those seasons ,have we spent in the top Division ?.
So apart from some fans expectations and the ridicules wages and prices, what's changed ?
They've taken the Steel and coal that made us a City from us, the swine's have even taken our Breweries to Leeds, so personally I'm more bothered about were my City is heading than my Football team.....

 

[Newbury Blade]

So, the alternative is? Genuinely interested, and don't say Reform UK which is another millionaire led charade that uses popularism to hoodwink the poor into voting against their own best interests, same as UKIP. Oh and by the way, 14 years of year on year local govt funding cuts has led to the demise of many UK towns and cities. Sunak even admitted that he syphoned off money from poorer areas to more affluent Tory ones.

Vote Green.

 

[BladeByChoice]

So its a bit shit for us Blades but Sheffield FC seem to be safe from religation and Hallam FC are mid table so not all bad news, let me know if I've missed out any other Sheffield clubs.

 

[scouseblade]

Bristol’s more fashionable and look at the state of their two clubs.

Yep neither have graced the PL. Rugby team is doing better,

 

[scouseblade]

So its a bit shit for us Blades but Sheffield FC seem to be safe from religation and Hallam FC are mid table so not all bad news, let me know if I've missed out any other Sheffield clubs.

Im tempted to start going to watch my local team - Marine AFC. Currently third in Nothern Premier League. Come on your Mariners.....

 

[coaxingstar71]

You are aware that Labour have pretty much ruled and controlled Sheffield solidly for the past several decades, right? Furthermore what you say isn't even true - overall Labour governments shut down more of the steelmills and coalmines than Thatcher did (and I'm certainly no fan of hers or the Conservative party). So what you say actually isn't historically true at all.

Your attitude is the reason why we have continuously horrific councils in Sheffield - 'I vote Labour me because of muh evil Tories'. It's absolutely braindead. Labour rule has ran Sheffield into the ground - with or without a Conservative national government.

To sum up:

Tories are horrific
Labour are horrific
They're all horrific
Stop bloody voting for them

It's incredible to think that the people who vote for Labour in Sheffield at a General Election are probably the same people who moan about how the Council runs the city.

I'm not a Tory either, I think they are all shit and it's all just a fucking game of point scoring to them.

A politician's go to argument seems to be how they're not quite as crap as the other lot. How very inspiring!

 

[JJBlade]

Wealthy owners are the only way to be successful at the top level and sometimes they get it wrong . Just look at the table ! It stands out like a sore thumb.
Any billionaires on this site?.
With FFP it will be harder to join them as the amount of money which can be lost has been tightened.
Man utd,Liverpool and maybe Arsenal have been elete clubs before the prem took over since then Chelsea and Man City have used the lax rules regarding losses to take advantage and joined the elite group.
This has now been closed and basically a closed shop prevails as breaking into this group will be very difficult even with billionaire owners.

Sponsorship is income
So a multi billionaire sponsors the stadium for half a billion a season and the club buys whatever players it wants. Simple, just need the billionaire now.

 

[VictoryBlade]

You don't half talk some baloney, Thatcher shut nothing down....world economics and unproductivity closed all these industries that were not able to adjust and be competitive in the real world, and thought they should all be ringfenced by public money from the more efficient enterprises and threaten strike if they could not get their own mardy arse way.

A bit like both Sheffield football clubs and one particular current and one past Sheffield born manager.

Exactly, Sheffield has been stuck in the middle ages in terms of the Labour love in with MP's and local councillors. They will never move away from this Sheffield 'the biggest village in the world', idea. If you remember Blunkett built council houses on the proposed site for a Sheffield airport because he didn't agree with it!

 

[Silent Blade]

Sponsorship is income
So a multi billionaire sponsors the stadium for half a billion a season and the club buys whatever players it wants. Simple, just need the billionaire now.

Do you know of a billionaire who supports the Blades? Of course you don't! You are incapable of accepting that there are no sugar daddies waiting to buy us.

 

[Willie Carlin]

Why are the Sheffield clubs so crap?

On the face of it they’re both decent sized clubs with more than decent sized support and history, if either or both had had any sort of proper post war success they could have been established top end top flight clubs.

Yet since the war both have punched far below their weight. We’re lucky if we’re in the same division most of the time because one or the other is in the lower leagues and we keep missing each other.

From being at one time one of the countries top derby games and considered a hotbed of football we’re not thought of these days as proper top flight clubs or a hotbed of football. We don’t get mentioned in the same breath as Liverpool or Manchester or Newcastle but we once did.

Neither club seems able to attract good owners/investors and both have or have had owners who haven’t got a clue while other clubs with far less potential drop lucky.

Why do both attract the wrong kind of investor? What is it why we seem destined to forever struggle to stay in the top flight. Wednesday these days struggle to stay in the Championship, how long before we’re the same?

Why are clubs like Leicester for example who have never won owt before and with modest crowds able to drop lucky?

Brentford and Bournemouth just two more.

I think we’re screwed now to be honest. The top elite have contrived to making it impossible for an outsider to join their ranks, no matter the wealth of the owner.

The also-rans are also now far beyond our reach. Palace reinforced that point the other night when they were able to field two £50m plus players who tore us apart.

Both Sheffield clubs have missed the boat now for definite, but why has it been this way for so long?

The state of Yorkshire football is at its lowest

 

[dingledog]

We are currently the 16th best supported team in England

Great achievement taking into account what’s happening

It is, but in reality support is irrelevant in terms of the money it brings into the club. TV money dictates when games are played and that along with the need for a very generous owner, preferable an oil rich country dictates what your club will be achieving. Yes there are always exceptions, I realise that.

 

[Bell4]

It is, but in reality support is irrelevant in terms of the money it brings into the club. TV money dictates when games are played and that along with the need for a very generous owner, preferable an oil rich country dictates what your club will be achieving. Yes there are always exceptions, I realise that.

Agree - was making the point that despite the wretched season we are having, the lack of any real success for many years , and the state of Sheffield football as a whole , our support (and that of Weds tbh) is excellent . You might have thought that this would be an enticing factor for a new investor / owner .

 

[dingledog]

Agree - was making the point that despite the wretched season we are having, the lack of any real success for many years , and the state of Sheffield football as a whole , our support (and that of Weds tbh) is excellent . You might have thought that this would be an enticing factor for a new investor / owner .

The issue has to be price, everything has its value in a capitalist market place. The quoted £170 million (Quoted from where?) is ridiculous. We are mortgaged to the hilt and no one is going to pay that and then have to spend however many hundreds of millions to sort out the finances and then build a squad that might compete in the PL.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Agree - was making the point that despite the wretched season we are having, the lack of any real success for many years , and the state of Sheffield football as a whole , our support (and that of Weds tbh) is excellent . You might have thought that this would be an enticing factor for a new investor / owner .

Yes, although tv money is what counts, you would think that all things being equal ie both in the Premier League a potential owner would be more interested in going for a Utd or Weds than a Brentford.

Saying that London seems to be the draw more than history, tradition and crowds.

 

[Zipwire]

Well listing the shithole that is Park Hill/Hyde Park as brutal 60's architecture whilst demolishing Georgian, Edwardian and Victorian buildings left right and centre is embracing "Shithole" status, however much of a decent job is made of refurbishment.

A well known Sheffield MP complaining about plans to create enormous office, leisure and retail facilities, stating that "Sheffield people don't want expensive high end shops" is not only promoting a shithole status, but it is also promoting Sheffield people as being thick as shit, and assuming that anyone with two brain cells to rub together wouldn't visit here.

Its aversion to major road, rail and air networks is promoting a shithole, arse end of nowhere status.

As I said in my post Sheffield's problems have been mentioned before, so I didn't want to give examples, but now this thread will descend into more disagreement with those that talk about the wonderful largest village in the world that has wonderful countryside that isn't even in Sheffield and those that talk about the failed major powerhouse it should be.

Have you ever heard of the Meadowhall Centre, Supertram and the M1?

 

[Bell4]

The issue has to be price, everything has its value in a capitalist market place. The quoted £170 million (Quoted from where?) is ridiculous. We are mortgaged to the hilt and no one is going to pay that and then have to spend however many hundreds of millions to sort out the finances and then build a squad that might compete in the PL.

Agree

 

[JJBlade]

Do you know of a billionaire who supports the Blades? Of course you don't! You are incapable of accepting that there are no sugar daddies waiting to buy us.

My message doesn't say I do, it merely states how billionaires get around the FFP problem

 

[JJBlade]

Have you ever heard of the Meadowhall Centre, Supertram and the M1?

Yes I have.
Meadowhall Centre - Similar to what most other towns and cities has, except more ordinary, and in other cities it is not blamed for the ruination of its city centre.
Supertram - Local transport system for local people that does fuck all to promote tourism or visits to Sheffield.
M1 - Doesn't touch a single square inch of Sheffield, it bypasses it. And even the bit that bypasses it is the worst section of the entire motorway.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Yes I have.
Meadowhall Centre - Similar to what most other towns and cities has, except more ordinary, and in other cities it is not blamed for the ruination of its city centre.
Supertram - Local transport system for local people that does fuck all to promote tourism or visits to Sheffield.
M1 - Doesn't touch a single square inch of Sheffield, it bypasses it. And even the bit that bypasses it is the worst section of the entire motorway.

Would love Supertram go to Chesterfield.

 

[JustLookin]

Bristol’s more fashionable and look at the state of their two clubs.

Aye. Cracking pair of tits though.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Yes I have.
Meadowhall Centre - Similar to what most other towns and cities has, except more ordinary, and in other cities it is not blamed for the ruination of its city centre.
Supertram - Local transport system for local people that does fuck all to promote tourism or visits to Sheffield.
M1 - Doesn't touch a single square inch of Sheffield, it bypasses it. And even the bit that bypasses it is the worst section of the entire motorway.

I'm not sure the council had a lot to do with building Meadowhall either

 

[crooked bladesman]

I'm not sure the council had a lot to do with building Meadowhall either

Meadowhall, Don Valley Stadium and the Airport were built without the need for any planning permission under the late 1980 and 1990s Sheffield Development Corporation, where areas in need of regeneration were taken out of the usual authority hierarchy.

27 years later after its demise in 1997, the Airport went a long time ago (never really used as the runway was too short and the developer had an incentive for it not to work), Don Valley went a long time ago without ever making any real use and costing to much to run and Meadowhall strangled the life out of Rotherham, and Sheffield Centres. Oh ...and the tram is in the wrong place, as they even suggested at the time, but spent circa £70 on the feasibility so thought f@ck it lets do it anyway, and killed off regional shopping at Hillsborough, Manor Top, Gleadless, City Road and others, never to be the same again after being effective closed to passing trade and vehicles for 18 months during construction.

Some development corporation that was. Inflicted the biggest de-generation of Sheffield ever.

Oh ...and we are still paying for this.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Meadowhall, Don Valley Stadium and the Airport were built without the need for any planning permission under the late 1980 and 1990s Sheffield Development Corporation, where areas in need of regeneration were taken out of the usual authority hierarchy.

27 years later after its demise in 1997, the Airport went a long time ago (never really used as the runway was too short and the developer had an incentive for it not to work), Don Valley went a long time ago without ever making any real use and costing to much to run and Meadowhall strangled the life out of Rotherham, and Sheffield Centres. Oh ...and the tram is in the wrong place, as they even suggested at the time, but spent circa £70 on the feasibility so thought f@ck it lets do it anyway, and killed off regional shopping at Hillsborough, Manor Top, Gleadless, City Road and others, never to be the same again after being effective closed to passing trade and vehicles for 18 months during construction.

Some development corporation that was. Inflicted the biggest de-generation of Sheffield ever.

Oh ...and we are still paying for this.

Did I once read that the airport was deliberately given a short runway so that the big holiday jets couldn’t use it?

 

[manxblade]

South yorkshire is skint just like the entire area low wages no big money men around . Lost it in the 70's when thatcher was priminister ! South yorkshire Labour Party took her on and lost ! investment was withdrawn tories really went to town on us,with steel & mining industries collapsing ! Investment by the government was not forthcoming ,! The area as not recovered from that time. Remember well councillor Ironmongers plan to have local bus services free to all ! Tories put a stop to that as well.Historical but true.

Could have tried to vote tory.
Tin hat on

 

[crooked bladesman]

Did I once read that the airport was deliberately given a short runway so that the big holiday jets couldn’t use it?

No, they actually built it so could not take large aircraft as they would have lost between 5-9 holes from the nearby council run golf course?

Oh.... and if it was not commercially successful, the developer could buy all the land and develop it for just a £1.

You have to laugh.

 

[Bladesthorpe]

Mate of mine is a Wendy and wev'e argued all our lives about who's best, from best keepers Hodgy or Springett, best centre half Swan or Joe Shaw ect ect.
Today wev'e been argueing who's got the worst team both of us insisting wer'e worse than the other, how times change.

 

[Frank the tank]

It's incredible to think that the people who vote for Labour in Sheffield at a General Election are probably the same people who moan about how the Council runs the city.

I'm not a Tory either, I think they are all shit and it's all just a fucking game of point scoring to them.

A politician's go to argument seems to be how they're not quite as crap as the other lot. How very inspiring!

Any one who votes tory and is not a millionaire is thick as shit and probably voted for brexit
Thick cunts

 

[Zipwire]

Yes I have.
Meadowhall Centre - Similar to what most other towns and cities has, except more ordinary, and in other cities it is not blamed for the ruination of its city centre.
Supertram - Local transport system for local people that does fuck all to promote tourism or visits to Sheffield.
M1 - Doesn't touch a single square inch of Sheffield, it bypasses it. And even the bit that bypasses it is the worst section of the entire motorway.

Two comparable cities. Liverpool and Nottingham. Neither have a big out of town shopping centre like Meadowhall and totally different vibe, mainly due to the increase in footfall. Plenty of high end shops in Meadowhall too

Supertram - A modern and reliable transport network that takes traffic off the roads and connects a lot of the city. Leeds would love something similar

The M1. Thanks to the Parkway, the City Centre is reasonably accessible from one of the countries main trunk roads.

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

Meadowhall, Don Valley Stadium and the Airport were built without the need for any planning permission under the late 1980 and 1990s Sheffield Development Corporation, where areas in need of regeneration were taken out of the usual authority hierarchy.

27 years later after its demise in 1997, the Airport went a long time ago (never really used as the runway was too short and the developer had an incentive for it not to work), Don Valley went a long time ago without ever making any real use and costing to much to run and Meadowhall strangled the life out of Rotherham, and Sheffield Centres. Oh ...and the tram is in the wrong place, as they even suggested at the time, but spent circa £70 on the feasibility so thought f@ck it lets do it anyway, and killed off regional shopping at Hillsborough, Manor Top, Gleadless, City Road and others, never to be the same again after being effective closed to passing trade and vehicles for 18 months during construction.

Some development corporation that was. Inflicted the biggest de-generation of Sheffield ever.

Oh ...and we are still paying for this.

Great post crooked bladesman thank you.

I left Sheffield in 1969 to go Leeds to study. At that time, Sheffield was vibrant and thriving. Leeds was a dull, dreary place.

How things have changed

 

[crooked bladesman]

Great post crooked bladesman thank you.

I left Sheffield in 1969 to go Leeds to study. At that time, Sheffield was vibrant and thriving. Leeds was a dull, dreary place.

How things have changed

I can remember going to watch Utd v Leeds at Elland Road in 1984. They escorted us from the station to the ground, which was nearly 2miles from memory. Leeds looked really down, a bit like Attercliffe in Sheffield did at the time. However, when I came to work in Leeds mid to late nighties, it had come on no end with lots of development. Still some areas needed a lot of money spending on it, but nowhere near like Sheffield did. The gap has got much wider ever since.