The released list?

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Esablade said:
Aye..it's official..

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HermitageBlade said:
I still think there's players that have shown they are good enough in the past and with the right management could do it again. My retain list would be:

Long
Brayford
Harris
Freeman
K Wallace
Mcgahey
Coutts
Scougal
Flynn
Basham
Sharp
Done
Adams
Reed
Whiteman

Excluding loans the players that really let us down due to injury, attitude or just generally being poor players have gone or are about to ie Collins, Wallace, Higdon, mcnulty, Alcock. Others that I don't think have let us down but perhaps it's the end of the line are jcr, mceverly, Howard. Finally the only player I would probably pay off or try and find another club for would be Woolford.
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Some of the players on that list would most definatley get us out of this league . Down not up . Why do people think after mediocrity certain players will become winners .

UTB
 



Deano said:
If we keep many of those on your retaiin list we can look forward to even longer in the wilderness. Some shocking players on there.
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I agree that some may only be squad players but do you think there's better players that are cheaper and willing to come and sit on our bench? Who don't you agree with?
 
Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
Some of the players on that list would most definatley get us out of this league . Down not up . Why do people think after mediocrity certain players will become winners .

UTB
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I still think they may improve as some are still very young. If the rumours are right then I'm way off anyway.
 
sheffielder said:
Right, so let me get something straight here. You think the board should have released all the players and paid off ones they don't want.

How will that look to players who are left or ones that are coming in that the manager has not made the decision on these players? You've cut his bollox off before he's even started. That doesn't come across as Chris's style to me.

Also, if players are getting paid off they have to agree to it too.

Just when I was coming round to you!
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I'd been thinking over the last few days of cutting Barney a bit of slack, clean slate for the new beginning and all that (financial aspect excluded).

He has occasionally made good points, but then he reverts to the sort of pedantry above where he just won't let go and keeps digging and I think maybe he deserves a lot of what he gets.
 
Trigger Blade said:
I'd been thinking over the last few days of cutting Barney a bit of slack, clean slate for the new beginning and all that (financial aspect excluded).

He has occasionally made good points, but then he reverts to the sort of pedantry above where he just won't let go and keeps digging and I think maybe he deserves a lot of what he gets.
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I agree, he occasionally gets some unwarranted stick, but suggesting the board should draw up the retained list is just ridiculous and perhaps Barney needs to learn reflect and accept when he's wrong, instead of ploughing on regardless.

Ironically, that is just the type of stubborn arrogance seen so often in.......Nigel Adkins ;)
 
sheffielder said:
Right, so let me get something straight here. You think the board should have released all the players and paid off ones they don't want.

How will that look to players who are left or ones that are coming in that the manager has not made the decision on these players? You've cut his bollox off before he's even started. That doesn't come across as Chris's style to me.

Also, if players are getting paid off they have to agree to it too.

Just when I was coming round to you!
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That's not what I'm saying. I haven't mentioned anything about paying up contracts. I'm saying that if the board were knowledgable enough, they could have taken care of the retained list for the players out of contract during the transition of managers. This type of thing isn't unusual, Charlton did the same just the other day.

They'd have known that pretty much the entire fanbase would agree that all but Long of those out of contract need to go and that a retained list in this ballpark would be widely accepted as being the unanimously correct decision. They don't necessarily need a football head on board for that, they just need to be a board or have a board member that is well clued up on the squad.
 
Barney said:
I'm saying that if the board were knowledgable enough, they could have taken care of the retained list for the players out of contract during the transition of managers. This type of thing isn't unusual, Charlton did the same just the other day.
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You give the Charlton example as though that's a good thing to follow. Surely it makes perfect sense to allow the new manager to make these sorts of decisions if they are appointed prior the deadline we need to submit it to the Football League. There's no need to take that out of the new manager's hands – had they sacked Adkins and anticipated a long drawn out search to replace him then fair enough, but given the speed we've acted we have the opportunity to let the new manager have his input on the process, which can only be a good thing in helping to build a new squad that manager is happy with.
 
LoughboroBlade said:
You give the Charlton example as though that's a good thing to follow. Surely it makes perfect sense to allow the new manager to make these sorts of decisions if they are appointed prior the deadline we need to submit it to the Football League. There's no need to take that out of the new manager's hands – had they sacked Adkins and anticipated a long drawn out search to replace him then fair enough, but given the speed we've acted we have the opportunity to let the new manager have his input on the process, which can only be a good thing in helping to build a new squad that manager is happy with.
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I've nothing against leaving it to Wilder. I'm just saying that there was a way to make the whole thing a bit faster, with no detriment to the squad. If all but Long of those out of contract were released, I don't think anybody would be complaining.

Wilder's retained list should be the same if not very, very close to that any way (we'd all start moaning if it wasn't) so we wouldn't have lost anything - but we'd have gained that bit extra time.
 
Barney said:
That's not what I'm saying. I haven't mentioned anything about paying up contracts. I'm saying that if the board were knowledgable enough, they could have taken care of the retained list for the players out of contract during the transition of managers. This type of thing isn't unusual, Charlton did the same just the other day.

They'd have known that pretty much the entire fanbase would agree that all but Long of those out of contract need to go and that a retained list in this ballpark would be widely accepted as being the unanimously correct decision. They don't necessarily need a football head on board for that, they just need to be a board or have a board member that is well clued up on the squad.
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Hardly. If I were a manager and my main assets were people I'd want some say on who we kept. Plus if all these first teamers were to go you'd have to be Pep Guardiola, Sir Alex and Brian Clough all rolled into one to develop a promotion winning side out of 8 or 9 new players!

I don't think all these players are crap and though unproveable if Wilder had come in last Jan maybe he might have got us up if he had/has a Warnockesque effect. Let's face it ever since Morgs packed it in CHs have looked weak and when Maguire went bloody 'orrible. We've never really sorted out our attack since Deane and Agana. Yeah we had fleeting dabbles with Hulse, Beattie, Evans and now Billy but it's never felt 'solid' and as for midfield. A bit 'twixt and between. People here for a bit then away Quinn, McDonald. I reckon four at a push five players not 8 or 9. The rub is these four suddenly need to gel and become 'Blades' 'cos it's the spine of the team and moulding that lot will take some effort. Maybe Wilder will need Gorilla glue.
 
Barney said:
I've nothing against leaving it to Wilder. I'm just saying that there was a way to make the whole thing a bit faster, with no detriment to the squad. If all but Long of those out of contract were released, I don't think anybody would be complaining.

Wilder's retained list should be the same if not very, very close to that any way (we'd all start moaning if it wasn't) so we wouldn't have lost anything - but we'd have gained that bit extra time.
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Correction:

YOU'LL start moaning 'if it wasn't'...in fact, you'd start moving if it was...as you've proven on this thread.
 



Can see us transfer listing
Brayford
Done
Scougal
McNulty
Coutts

Wilder needs to trim the wage bill and in the process raise funds for his type of players
Apparentky our budget is 3.5 million down from 8.5 last season
This still allows 3.5k / week for a squad of 20 players, although obviously it has to be teamed and ladled to accomodate the higher earners like sharp
 
Barney said:
That's not what I'm saying. I haven't mentioned anything about paying up contracts. I'm saying that if the board were knowledgable enough, they could have taken care of the retained list for the players out of contract during the transition of managers. This type of thing isn't unusual, Charlton did the same just the other day.

They'd have known that pretty much the entire fanbase would agree that all but Long of those out of contract need to go and that a retained list in this ballpark would be widely accepted as being the unanimously correct decision. They don't necessarily need a football head on board for that, they just need to be a board or have a board member that is well clued up on the squad.
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But what if there are players Wilder wants to keep or wants to leave that need changing? WHat do we do then, call them back?
 
bertieblade said:
Can see us transfer listing
Brayford
Done
Scougal
McNulty
Coutts

Wilder needs to trim the wage bill and in the process raise funds for his type of players
Apparentky our budget is 3.5 million down from 8.5 last season
This still allows 3.5k / week for a squad of 20 players, although obviously it has to be teamed and ladled to accomodate the higher earners like sharp
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Yep, sounds about right...average wage for a L1 player being around £70k +bonuses, per YEAR, according to this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...14-15-season-1-7million-rest-creep-along.html


So £3.5m would still be roughly twice the average if correct....
 
sheffielder said:
But what if there are players Wilder wants to keep or wants to leave that need changing? WHat do we do then, call them back?
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As I've said, if the board were knowledgable enough they'd know that the "entire fanbase would agree that all but Long of those out of contract need to go and that a retained list in this ballpark would be widely accepted as being the unanimously correct decision."

This would then be the base in which for Wilder to build. I doubt he'd make an issue of making any changes to that, but if he did I think he'd be going against the majority of the fanbase, and the majority of the fanbase would be disappointed.
 
Barney said:
As I've said, if the board were knowledgable enough they'd know that the "entire fanbase would agree that all but Long of those out of contract need to go and that a retained list in this ballpark would be widely accepted as being the unanimously correct decision."

This would then be the base in which for Wilder to build. I doubt he'd make an issue of making any changes to that, but if he did I think he'd be going against the majority of the fanbase, and the majority of the fanbase would be disappointed.
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Do what if the board wanted to get rid of Long to get a small amount of compensation, however Wilder wants to keep him?
 
sheffielder said:
Do what if the board wanted to get rid of Long to get a small amount of compensation, however Wilder wants to keep him?
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Barney said:
As I've said, if the board were knowledgable enough they'd know that the "entire fanbase would agree that all but Long of those out of contract need to go and that a retained list in this ballpark would be widely accepted as being the unanimously correct decision."

This would then be the base in which for Wilder to build. I doubt he'd make an issue of making any changes to that, but if he did I think he'd be going against the majority of the fanbase, and the majority of the fanbase would be disappointed.
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bertieblade said:
Can see us transfer listing
Brayford
Done
Scougal
McNulty
Coutts

Wilder needs to trim the wage bill and in the process raise funds for his type of players
Apparentky our budget is 3.5 million down from 8.5 last season
This still allows 3.5k / week for a squad of 20 players, although obviously it has to be teamed and ladled to accomodate the higher earners like sharp
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I hope that's wrong because £3.5m won't be enough, especially if we continue to pay Brayford and Coutts in addition to Sharp.

£3.5m annually breaks down into 67k p/w - Brayford, Sharp and Coutts would take up at least 27k of that.

50k p/w between 17 other players for a 20 man squad is 2.9k p/w average. Promotion simply won't happen for us on that budget.

If you estimate the total wages of the players who'll be staying on top of the aforementioned trio's 27k, it's about 60k p/w before factoring in any pay offs and George Long signing a new deal. So 7k p/w to spread across all the new signings. That would be a complete joke.
 



Ricky said:
I hope that's wrong because £3.5m won't be enough, especially if we continue to pay Brayford and Coutts in addition to Sharp.

£3.5m annually breaks down into 67k p/w - Brayford, Sharp and Coutts would take up at least 27k of that.

50k p/w between 17 other players for a 20 man squad is 2.9k p/w average. Promotion simply won't happen for us on that budget.

If you estimate the total wages of the players who'll be staying on top of the aforementioned trio's 27k, it's about 60k p/w before factoring in any pay offs and George Long signing a new deal. So 7k p/w to spread across all the new signings. That would be a complete joke.
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Maybe by 3.5 million down he means it'll be 5 million?
 
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