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BrisBlade said:
If we don't go up I would love to revert to two strikers and see One and Campbell as our #1 option. Both quick, strong, decent in the air. As a CB I would hate to play against them as a two.

I would also keep Tom Davis. He's looked good when he played. Not sure what his current injury is. With him, Blaster, Peck, and Vini (if he stays) we should have the tools and depth to dominate CM.
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One needs to go out on loan to experience regular first team football. So does Brooks if Wilder refuses to play him.
 

robbiez666 said:
RND and Shackleton have 2 years and Davies have one year left. left. Let's say that's a combined £60k pw and you're looking at over £5 million to pay them up.
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My comment was a bit tongue in cheek to be honest mate.

But all seriousness I'm sure we would be able to loan/sell or effectively give away for free (without having to pay up their wages), which is what we should be looking to do (move them on, if we can get something then happy days, if not then all 3 came on a free and losing on a free wouldnt be end of the world).

Although I'd be happy to keep T.Davies if he could stay fit, which doesn't look like he can and wouldn't be worth the 5 /10 games we'd get out of him for the season.
 
Think we will struggle to keep hold of Hamer if we don't go up. The positive side is we will get decent money for him.

I don't think Arblaster will get the attention people think after this season and his injury and people will be happy to wait and see how he comes back, i think Anel will already know in his mind he will probably look elsewhere in the summer as he's been doing the in an out dance 3 seasons.

Cooper is on a long contract and with the new owners i can't see us accepting a low fee for a class asset especially if we already have money coming in from Hamer.

You would like to think that Burrows, Campbell, Moore, Peck, O'Hare, Cannon will all stay due to contract situation.

Can't see any of the loans returning unless something permanent came up with Choudhury and Souttar but think leicester will use both next season.

If we achieve promotion we need some serious incomings if we have any intention other than taking the money.

What league we will be in depends on what sheffield united turn up. We have got the capability to dominate these play offs. We could also throw away the first leg if we dont turn up.
 
Matlock Blade said:
Don't worry, I think Wilder will stay until Christmas.
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My opinion for what it worth, they must worried, about the fines & bad publicity, what's following us about like a bad smell! Football wise, I don't think he's got much longer, Americans don't like losing money, if we don't go up, he's gone, and probably if we go up they might want a different way to go. Bottom line is he's on borrowed time.
 
If you look at our assets and where they could end up if we don't get promotion:

Hamer: Most likely to be sold. I feel he might be another Berge where another team gets even more out of him by playing him in the correct position. I think there are about 6 Prem clubs who could take a punt on him, even as a squad player.
Souza: Can also see him being sold for a small profit on what we paid - however I feel like he will go abroad.
Cooper: He's been very good this year, but there won't be too many clubs from my knowledge who need to replace their goal keeper. Can't see him wanting to move to be a number 2 for a period of time. As some have mentioned, Leeds might come in for him. For what its worth Manchester United could do a lot worse...
Anel: Last year of his contract and feel like we will cash in. Again, someone I think that will go abroad for around £10m.
Blaster: His injury should see him stay for the next year whilst his fitness is assessed post injury
Peck: A player a Prem team might want to make a gamble on for a couple of years and then sell on for a profit, but I think he will stay.
Campbell: Whilst he has had a good year, I don't think he has shown he has the complete all round game to play in the Prem yet with an established side. He has also shown he is still injury prone.

I think then you would see all loans go back, maybe a couple of other players moved on either via loans out or mutual agreement (Robinson, RND, Davies, Brewster).

This leaves another quite signficant rebuild requiring:

  • x1 GK (if Cooper sold)
  • x1 RB
  • x3/4 CBs
  • x1 CM (2 if you assume Davies is always going to be injured)
  • X3 Attacking Mids/Wingers
  • X1 Striker
So that would be circa 10 players leaving (inc loans) and 10 players incoming.

Sounds quite a big rebuild...
 
Blademan89 said:
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek to be honest mate.

But all seriousness I'm sure we would be able to loan/sell or effectively give away for free (without having to pay up their wages), which is what we should be looking to do (move them on, if we can get something then happy days, if not then all 3 came on a free and losing on a free wouldnt be end of the world).

Although I'd be happy to keep T.Davies if he could stay fit, which doesn't look like he can and wouldn't be worth the 5 /10 games we'd get out of him for the season.
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No one is taking them for free and paying their wages as they've all been unavailable for most of the season. Tom Davies will be on a lot.
 
robbiez666 said:
If Leeds come in for Cooper. Get as much money as possible and insist that Darlow is part of the deal. And then offer Stoke £5 million of it for Johansson.
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Probably an area I can see them looking to improve on however a few things for them to consider.

1) Not proven at that level
2) How much cash - We will be holding out for £30million
3) They are wanting to improve infrastructure too
 
Cooper most vital asset to us imo, Anel can go for me, Souza couldn't cut it last time in premiership and is overated, Hamer will go if he wants to go. Look to off load Shackleton & McCallum, loanees to go back, try and get Holding & maybe Choudhury
 

Looking at our current squad only Robinson and Brewster + the loans have contracts running out in the summer. I’d give Robinson another year but only if he’s starting no more than ~15 games. Brewster needs to go, we look much worse whenever he’s in the pitch.

The only other first-teamers I’d look to offload are RND (loan to League One) and Oné (Loan to League Two).

If pivot to a system in which the full backs push forward as that suits Burrows and Seriki + I think the midfield is strong enough to protect the back line in this league (presuming we stay down).

That leaves us needing (if we stay 4-2-3-1)-
1x RB (to start)
2x CB (Holding being one, for me)
2x Wingers (one as a squad player and one as a nailed on starter)
1x AM (to offer competition)
1x ST (to offer competition)

However, we could lose players, who I’d replace with like for like players (but a couple of years younger) and use to fund the other signings being better and more ambitious. Realistically, these players are -
Cooper (would accept £20m, I don’t see it being met)
Anel (I’d offer a new deal and if he doesn’t accept try and push him out for £10m)
Peck (I’m not his biggest fan, I think he’s a decent championship player who could become a very good one. I’d accept £10m)
Souza (hold out for £25m, he’s too good to lose)
Hamer (try and hold out for £25m but would seriously consider £20m).

I don’t see us needing a complete squad restructure, with 2 or 3 starters and 2 or 3 good squad players we’ll challlenge again next year.

And obviously I’d keep Wilder, but I’d not let him have complete control over big transfers. He should be allowed to sign a couple of gambles though,
 
LBA_Blade said:
Probably an area I can see them looking to improve on however a few things for them to consider.

1) Not proven at that level
2) How much cash - We will be holding out for £30million
3) They are wanting to improve infrastructure too
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How must be drunk. Do you really think we sign a player for £2 million and then sell him for £30 million in the same year?

You're drunk.

15 and no more.
 
robbiez666 said:
How must be drunk. Do you really think we sign a player for £2 million and then sell him for £30 million in the same year?

You're drunk.

15 and no more.
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How much you sign someone for has no bearing
He is currently ranked number one keeper in the championship,higher than ramsdale was when we sold him for 30 million
If clubs don't want to pay it we don't sell him
 
I don’t see Cooper being sold

Based on Championship football next season:

For me Anel and Robbo can both go

Replace with Souter (if fit) and Holding and a loan

Still think RB isn’t resolved yet despite Seriki, Gilchrist, Shackleton, Ward.

Hamer and Souza I think will both leave if we don’t go up. So Blaster, Peck and one other to compliment those two, with at least one further attacking MF loan

O’Hare to stay

No Rak Saki next season and Brooks may leave so a winger to sign

I guess Brewster will leave. One may go if the deal is too good to turn down
Campbell, Cannon and Moore with a further signing to be made
 
Iffy Onuora's Shiny Head said:
If you look at our assets and where they could end up if we don't get promotion:

Hamer: Most likely to be sold. I feel he might be another Berge where another team gets even more out of him by playing him in the correct position. I think there are about 6 Prem clubs who could take a punt on him, even as a squad player.
Souza: Can also see him being sold for a small profit on what we paid - however I feel like he will go abroad.
Cooper: He's been very good this year, but there won't be too many clubs from my knowledge who need to replace their goal keeper. Can't see him wanting to move to be a number 2 for a period of time. As some have mentioned, Leeds might come in for him. For what its worth Manchester United could do a lot worse...
Anel: Last year of his contract and feel like we will cash in. Again, someone I think that will go abroad for around £10m.
Blaster: His injury should see him stay for the next year whilst his fitness is assessed post injury
Peck: A player a Prem team might want to make a gamble on for a couple of years and then sell on for a profit, but I think he will stay.
Campbell: Whilst he has had a good year, I don't think he has shown he has the complete all round game to play in the Prem yet with an established side. He has also shown he is still injury prone.

I think then you would see all loans go back, maybe a couple of other players moved on either via loans out or mutual agreement (Robinson, RND, Davies, Brewster).

This leaves another quite signficant rebuild requiring:

  • x1 GK (if Cooper sold)
  • x1 RB
  • x3/4 CBs
  • x1 CM (2 if you assume Davies is always going to be injured)
  • X3 Attacking Mids/Wingers
  • X1 Striker
So that would be circa 10 players leaving (inc loans) and 10 players incoming.

Sounds quite a big rebuild...
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Good assessment and agree with most of this. If we don't go up we should look for around $50m combined for Hamer, Vini, and Anel. I don't think we'd need to sell anyone else if we got something near that.

Incomings, if we don't go up I reckon Hamza and BBD are likely permanents. Holding and (if fit) Souttar also possible. Either way, we need two centre backs stating in front of JLT (I'm hoping Baptiste and Frecklington start to push him further down the order). After that, it's loans for the magic dust in the attacking half. JRS and O'Hare have been OK, but if we had a MGW or Ndiaye this year we would be up.
 
loyalblade95 said:
Is that Charlie Hughes at Hull?

Didn't he just sign for them last summer after they got big money for Greaves, he won't be cheap, maybe if Hull go down it might decrease the price, depends how much money we have to spend.

Poku and Dolan, good options, same with Dunne and Darling, four free transfers that would make the squad so much better.

Is Holding out of contract in the summer?, even if he isn't, it should be cheap to get him out of Palace.

Kone won't be cheap as Wycombe were turning down £7m+ bids in January, especially after we've already invested in Cannon who can hopefully kick on now that he's finally off the mark, if the opportunity was there I would try and sign him through, maybe send them Oné on loan as well.

I think a lot of it depends on whether we stick with the 4-2-3-1 next season or go with something else, 4-4-2, 3-5-2?.
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Hopefully a change of formation - or a change in attacking intent at least. The football this year has been largely turgid, albeit effective overall.
 
Matlock Blade said:
We are going to need a new manager whether or not we win the playoffs if we want to move forward and be more successful. We need to move away from the need to have a supporter as the manager, in my opinion.
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Where is this "need to have a supporter as manager" notion come from?
 
BrisBlade said:
If we don't go up I would love to revert to two strikers and see One and Campbell as our #1 option. Both quick, strong, decent in the air. As a CB I would hate to play against them as a two.

I would also keep Tom Davis. He's looked good when he played. Not sure what his current injury is. With him, Blaster, Peck, and Vini (if he stays) we should have the tools and depth to dominate CM.
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He looks decent when he plays, but his continued injury record suggests (to me) we should move him on at the first opportunity. Certainly, a new contract would be ridiculous.
 
alcoblade said:
He looks decent when he plays, but his continued injury record suggests (to me) we should move him on at the first opportunity. Certainly, a new contract would be ridiculous.
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I think he's still got a year left on his contract? I don't think anyone is going to pay money for him given his injuries. I would see how it's going at Christmas. If he can get himself sorted he's shown he's decent, can play at a high level, and still a good age.

I would cancel all but a fortnight's holiday for any who have struggled with fitness and send them on an intensive three week boot camp a la George and Lunny before the first season back in the PL. I'm thinking Davis, RND, Campbell, Brewster and even Brookes, Blaster (if up to it), and Vini. If we went in for Holding it could do him the power of God as well.
 
Watching from a distance.
Admittedly, not seeing every game played, but
the one thing that I think United need is a
motivational captain, one who'll lead by example.
A player who will turn draws and potential defeats into
winning games. A player who every other club's supporters hate,
but secretly wish they played for them.
 

VLYDONIMIR said:
Watching from a distance.
Admittedly, not seeing every game played, but
the one thing that I think United need is a
motivational captain, one who'll lead by example.
A player who will turn draws and potential defeats into
winning games. A player who every other club's supporters hate,
but secretly wish they played for them.
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Looking at some of the players we have, I'm a bit surprised that some of them haven't quite stepped up as the leaders we expected them to be, especially in the dressing room.

Robbo: after last season, I thought he would have stepped up to try and fill the boots left by the departures of Bash, Egan, Baldock and Norwood, but something has gone wrong (especially in the last few weeks) and he hasn't been that leader we needed.

Moore: given how much experience he has, I thought he could have been a leader in the team but again, it hasn't happened like that (maybe down to him being in and out of the team with injury), given he's played in the World Cup, PL and won promotion twice (Ipswich, Bournemouth) from this league.

Holding: maybe a bit harsh on him given his lack of game time, but you'd have thought he would've brought a leadership presence to the dressing room, given his experience and achievements.

Souza: while he's had the captain's armband multiple times this season, he's not a leader, but he raises his game when he's captain.

Look at last season, Egan was our Club and Team Captain with Bash as his Vice Captain, both of whom were proper leaders, after both got injured we didn't have anyone to step up as leaders in their place.

We have quite a few players in the squad who could be captains (Burrows and Arblaster mainly), but we need some leaders next season, one of whom should be made Club and Team Captain.
 
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