The problem with English referees…

[Sheff de party]

is that they’re just not very good.”

I don’t usually buy into what Souness says but he’s right. The referee cannot possibly give a penalty from here, and the linesman should be embarrassed he’s missed it too.

That just isn’t in the box and they’ve both got a massive decision wrong. I don’t want VAR and we don’t need it for decisions like this - this kind of fuck up simply isn’t good enough.

And I have got home after midnight and I’m piss-wet through from a day’s rain so I don’t give a fuck if this has already been discussed

 

[Stu_Blade]

Realistically the referee is 10 yards behind play to stand a chance of giving that decision. Granted footballers are quick athletes and referees are supposed to be fit too however he isnt in the right position you almost need a referee for each half with the linos doing the same like they do, it would allow the referee to be closer to play in any quick break situation it's a tested and proven method in Australian Rugby League where they have 2 on field referees (one refereeing behind the play and one refereeing from play coming towards him) and 2 linos along with their video ref but in the lack of a VAR a 2nd referee might be the other option.

 

[LJBlade]

is that they’re just not very good.”

I don’t usually buy into what Souness says but he’s right. The referee cannot possibly give a penalty from here, and the linesman should be embarrassed he’s missed it too.

That just isn’t in the box and they’ve both got a massive decision wrong. I don’t want VAR and we don’t need it for decisions like this - this kind of fuck up simply isn’t good enough.

And I have got home after midnight and I’m piss-wet through from a day’s rain so I don’t give a fuck if this has already been discussed


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Personally, although it was clearly the wrong decision, I don’t see it as a ‘fuck up’. I see it more as the referee is only human and is therefore bound to get things wrong. You could argue he’s behind play but that situation came from a long ball, our defenders barely had time to be up with play.

People who complain about decisions like that (players, managers, fans etc) are the reason why VAR is a thing. Yes it’s implemented poorly at the moment but it’s there to help referees with the fact that they cannot possibly see everything, especially given the speed of play sometimes. It’s easy to criticise referees whilst not being in their position and also complaining about solutions to make things better.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

I'm sure we'll get a penalty later in the year that is the wrong call. These things balance out over a season. Let's up we don't miss the playoffs by 2 points.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Realistically the referee is 10 yards behind play to stand a chance of giving that decision. Granted footballers are quick athletes and referees are supposed to be fit too however he isnt in the right position you almost need a referee for each half with the linos doing the same like they do, it would allow the referee to be closer to play in any quick break situation it's a tested and proven method in Australian Rugby League where they have 2 on field referees (one refereeing behind the play and one refereeing from play coming towards him) and 2 linos along with their video ref but in the lack of a VAR a 2nd referee might be the other option.

I am a qualified Hockey umpire and we have two on field, each miked up. It is brilliant we help each other when unsure, confirm decisions but also keep a eye out for any nonsense away from the ball.
Hockey did away with offside years ago and the game is much better for it. Some thought that teams just leave a goalhanger but the reality is that you can’t afford to take a player out of the game like that.
Linesmen are irrelevant apart from offside and that rule is becoming farcical so, get rid of it and replace them with two refs, each taking one side of the pitch.

 

[Sheff de party]

Personally, although it was clearly the wrong decision, I don’t see it as a ‘fuck up’. I see it more as the referee is only human and is therefore bound to get things wrong. You could argue he’s behind play but that situation came from a long ball, our defenders barely had time to be up with play.

People who complain about decisions like that (players, managers, fans etc) are the reason why VAR is a thing. Yes it’s implemented poorly at the moment but it’s there to help referees with the fact that they cannot possibly see everything, especially given the speed of play sometimes. It’s easy to criticise referees whilst not being in their position and also complaining about solutions to make things better.

Valid points but at the very least the linesman should be telling him he’s got that wrong.

If he’s not sure if it’s in the box, he shouldn’t be giving a penalty. He was quite clearly unsure at the time.

I can cope with the mistakes that they make, it’s the fact that the game on a decision he wasn’t sure about. To be fair, Enda should have got a red in my view so we did at least get away with that.

 

[Swinton Blade]

Valid points but at the very least the linesman should be telling him he’s got that wrong.

Depends on the linesman veiw tbf.

 

[BettingBlade]

Depends on the linesman veiw tbf.

It’s the linesman’s job to be in line with the second to last defender so he should have been in line with the incident. If he isn’t then he’s not kept up with play.

 

[Swinton Blade]

It’s the linesman’s job to be in line with the second to last defender so he should have been in line with the incident. If he isn’t then he’s not kept up with play.

I agree he should be in line with play an for this incident I don't think he was.

 

[Bla blade]

....is they are poor quality, are unintelligent, don't appear to have played or understand the game and have no bottle. I see Tierney (the man in the VAR box for the ghost goal at Villa) was up to his old tricks yesterday at Anfield bottling the big decisions.

 

[Swinton Blade]

....is they are poor quality, are unintelligent, don't appear to have played or understand the game and have no bottle. I see Tierney (the man in the VAR box for the ghost goal at Villa) was up to his old tricks yesterday at Anfield bottling the big decisions.

To qualify to be a referee you have to have an understanding of the game. Maybe most referees have played the game at some level.

What did Tierney bottle yesterday?

 

[Snowflake]

Personally, although it was clearly the wrong decision, I don’t see it as a ‘fuck up’. I see it more as the referee is only human and is therefore bound to get things wrong. You could argue he’s behind play but that situation came from a long ball, our defenders barely had time to be up with play.

People who complain about decisions like that (players, managers, fans etc) are the reason why VAR is a thing. Yes it’s implemented poorly at the moment but it’s there to help referees with the fact that they cannot possibly see everything, especially given the speed of play sometimes. It’s easy to criticise referees whilst not being in their position and also complaining about solutions to make things better.

I agree.
I think referees makes far few mistakes than our players do !!

 

[Bennyand the Blades]

According to the guy on Quest the rules are, if the offence carries on for a yard inside the penalty box it's still a penalty ?
He say's it clearly did so it was a penalty .( he did look a bit sheepish while saying it though)
If that's true expect some players in wet conditions sliding into the box from the halfway line taking the defender with him and claiming a Pen.....

 

[Stu_Blade]

I am a qualified Hockey umpire and we have two on field, each miked up. It is brilliant we help each other when unsure, confirm decisions but also keep a eye out for any nonsense away from the ball.
Hockey did away with offside years ago and the game is much better for it. Some thought that teams just leave a goalhanger but the reality is that you can’t afford to take a player out of the game like that.
Linesmen are irrelevant apart from offside and that rule is becoming farcical so, get rid of it and replace them with two refs, each taking one side of the pitch.

Ah yes I forgot about hockey having that too. I saw some of the Olympics this year and they are very proactive in talking to each other. Agreed with all those comments there are too many variables with offsides, VAR takes the literal meaning whilst a referee/lino is down to interpretation at the split second and I wouldn't even like to think how Sunday morning refs with no linos cope!

 

[Stu_Blade]

I think mainly with my point rather than yes the human is bound to get decisions wrong just like our beloved players not squaring or blazing over the bar etc but ideally the FA or FIFA should be giving the best tools of the jobs to the officials that they can, cherry pick the best ideas from other sports and trial them out in a non competitive environment.

 

[Stevo]

Personally, although it was clearly the wrong decision, I don’t see it as a ‘fuck up’. I see it more as the referee is only human and is therefore bound to get things wrong. You could argue he’s behind play but that situation came from a long ball, our defenders barely had time to be up with play.

People who complain about decisions like that (players, managers, fans etc) are the reason why VAR is a thing. Yes it’s implemented poorly at the moment but it’s there to help referees with the fact that they cannot possibly see everything, especially given the speed of play sometimes. It’s easy to criticise referees whilst not being in their position and also complaining about solutions to make things better.

No,.I'm sorry but the ref was a cunt

 

[steve26272]

2 refs, more active lino's, mic'd up = problem is they are human, which leads to mistakes. play is now so fast they struggle to keep up, not just physically but mentally - things happen so fast. Factor in other players in eyeline, weather conditions etc

Last season that would have been overruled by VAR, it may delay decisions, but what do you want
1) instant wrong decisions
2) delayed correct decisions

We cant have it both ways, we chelp about VAR, then complain when a decision goes against us and no one can help!

Although VAR cost us (big toe) goals, it also saved us (mardy face Rice) & Bash red card spring to mind

I suppose its personal choice, but as VAR gets refined as the seasons pass, its got to be the way forward

Might hurt having a goal or penalty overturned, but ultimately if its right, its right.

 

[mattbianco1]

is that they’re just not very good.”

I don’t usually buy into what Souness says but he’s right. The referee cannot possibly give a penalty from here, and the linesman should be embarrassed he’s missed it too.

That just isn’t in the box and they’ve both got a massive decision wrong. I don’t want VAR and we don’t need it for decisions like this - this kind of fuck up simply isn’t good enough.

And I have got home after midnight and I’m piss-wet through from a day’s rain so I don’t give a fuck if this has already been discussed


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Not sure of the full rules, but Colin Murray said that if the contact continues into the box, it's a penalty. I have no reason to doubt him. Neville said similar yesterday in the LIV v MNC game when Foden (I think) got taken down. He said "the challenge continued into the box, it's a pen".

Worth bearing in mind too, if Solankes foot is on the 18yard line, that's in the box too.

Let's be honest, the tackle was a shocker and a definite foul.

 

[Stu_Blade]

2 refs, more active lino's, mic'd up = problem is they are human, which leads to mistakes. play is now so fast they struggle to keep up, not just physically but mentally - things happen so fast. Factor in other players in eyeline, weather conditions etc

Last season that would have been overruled by VAR, it may delay decisions, but what do you want
1) instant wrong decisions
2) delayed correct decisions

We cant have it both ways, we chelp about VAR, then complain when a decision goes against us and no one can help!

Although VAR cost us (big toe) goals, it also saved us (mardy face Rice) & Bash red card spring to mind

I suppose its personal choice, but as VAR gets refined as the seasons pass, its got to be the way forward

Might hurt having a goal or penalty overturned, but ultimately if its right, its right.

Agreed you are never going to remove the element of a potential mistake with a human referee. However if the referee is closer to the action that split second decision will be easier to make and we will still be allowed the luxury of celebrating a goal in real time etc. VAR has its potentials but also limitations with football its more free flowing than either code of Rugby plus with Rugby they only refer to their video refs when a try could have been scored/potential to overrule.

 

[Stu_Blade]

Not sure of the full rules, but Colin Murray said that if the contact continues into the box, it's a penalty. I have no reason to doubt him. Neville said similar yesterday in the LIV v MNC game when Foden (I think) got taken down. He said "the challenge continued into the box, it's a pen".

Worth bearing in mind too, if Solankes foot is on the 18yard line, that's in the box too.

Let's be honest, the tackle was a shocker and a definite foul.

It was a definite foul and realistically could and should have been a red card. Murray is right in the sense of if the foul started outside but ended inside or on the penalty area line it should be a penalty difficult to tell but for me and the angles I have seen it at contact was around the D and unless you do a hop skip and a jump you aren't getting into the penalty area from there

 

[BettingBlade]

Not sure of the full rules, but Colin Murray said that if the contact continues into the box, it's a penalty. I have no reason to doubt him. Neville said similar yesterday in the LIV v MNC game when Foden (I think) got taken down. He said "the challenge continued into the box, it's a pen".

Worth bearing in mind too, if Solankes foot is on the 18yard line, that's in the box too.

Let's be honest, the tackle was a shocker and a definite foul.

It was a definite foul and realistically could and should have been a red card. Murray is right in the sense of if the foul started outside but ended inside or on the penalty area line it should be a penalty difficult to tell but for me and the angles I have seen it at contact was around the D and unless you do a hop skip and a jump you aren't getting into the penalty area from there

The below is the law he’s referring to and he’s mis-quoted it as it only refers to holding. A grey area perhaps but at the same time it shows the poor research that goes into punditry these days.

 

[Bla blade]

To qualify to be a referee you have to have an understanding of the game. Maybe most referees have played the game at some level.

What did Tierney bottle yesterday?

Milner committed a cynical foul which was 100% a yellow card but he’d already been booked and “this is Anfield” so Tierney bottled it. I’m being generous here as an alternative view is that the guy is just incompetent.

 

[jt64]

Milner committed a cynical foul which was 100% a yellow card but he’d already been booked and “this is Anfield” so Tierney bottled it. I’m being generous here as an alternative view is that the guy is just incompetent.

There's three sorts of refereeing inconsistency that really rustle me:

1) This, where they seem to have a higher bar in terms what is a yellow card when a player is on a booking
2) That many direct free kick offences suddenly are not free kick offences once it takes place in an opposition penalty area
3) That most of them have watches timed to around 60-65 minutes into the game, upon which they get a notification that your yellow card is in your pocket, you've not left it at home, and you need to caution ever foul for the remainder of the game to level things up

 

[Chingo]

I'm sure we'll get a penalty later in the year that is the wrong call. These things balance out over a season. Let's up we don't miss the playoffs by 2 points.

Do they fuck !!!

 

[Chingo]

According to the guy on Quest the rules are, if the offence carries on for a yard inside the penalty box it's still a penalty ?
He say's it clearly did so it was a penalty .( he did look a bit sheepish while saying it though)
If that's true expect some players in wet conditions sliding into the box from the halfway line taking the defender with him and claiming a Pen.....

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-united-penalty-pundit-referee-21755625

 

[Chingo]

If you look at Solanke as it happened he was running across the D not into the box !

 

[ForgeBlade]

There's three sorts of refereeing inconsistency that really rustle me:

1) This, where they seem to have a higher bar in terms what is a yellow card when a player is on a booking
2) That many direct free kick offences suddenly are not free kick offences once it takes place in an opposition penalty area
3) That most of them have watches timed to around 60-65 minutes into the game, upon which they get a notification that your yellow card is in your pocket, you've not left it at home, and you need to caution ever foul for the remainder of the game to level things up

This one fucks me right off. It's not down to the ref to tell a player on a yellow to calm down, that's on his manager/captain. If it's a booking, it's a booking. Doesn't matter if he's already been booked, if he commits another yellow card offence he should walk. End of.

 

[Swinton Blade]

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-united-penalty-pundit-referee-21755625

Pundits keep going on that the referees don't understand the game or never played the game.

Yet the pundits clearly don't know the laws.

 

[Hull Blade]

Until they bring in/fast-track refs who have played the game to a decent level you are going to get numerous rubbish decisions and controversy. Even then it won't be plain sailing. Thank God Jon Moss isn't in the chump. He's utter garbage, but he gets games, somehow!

 

[Sheff de party]

Depends on the linesman veiw tbf.

Have you seen it? It’s the last man, on the linesman’s side and unobstructed.