The Ex-Manager Factor

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Christ. It's just lost on you, isn't it? All of the above came at a cost of losing players far more able and valuable than those who came to play for us in their place. For Brayford, read Maguire. For Sharp, read Murphy. If you are suggesting Hammond, Edgar and Sammon are anything of the like we need to get promoted, I will point straight at our league position and say, 'there's your proof.'

It's all green meadows, birdsong and the sound of flowing water in your mind, isn't it?

pommpey
Lets not go over old ground too much but did you honestly think we could keep Maguire and Murphy they were young players who needed to progress you cant hold on to players like that.
Brayford too much for a full back maybe but at his best way above this league.
Billys done his job this season.
With regard to the loans im just quoting the financial aspect of them
Hammond will be here next season Edgar and Sammon wont.
As for your last paragraph haha if only you knew me.
 



"Piggy being the operative word. We should never have appointed a grunter, simple as that."...

Why not ? Not managers but, Quinn, Del boy and Bromby were all ex-pigs and were held in high regard and still are (from what I can remember).

I had no issues with WIlson coming in, he did alright too. Pig links or not, you go for who you think is the right man, not whether he has links to those from S6.
 
Lets not go over old ground too much but did you honestly think we could keep Maguire and Murphy they were young players who needed to progress you cant hold on to players like that.

No Kevin, you can't, it's impossible. We must accept any offer we receive for our best players. Mustn't hold them back, must we?

Those pesky agents!
 
Why not ? Not managers but, Quinn, Del boy and Bromby were all ex-pigs and were held in high regard and still are (from what I can remember).

I had no issues with WIlson coming in, he did alright too. Pig links or not, you go for who you think is the right man, not whether he has links to those from S6.

I suspect Ian Porterfield was the most successful manager we've had in the lower divisions (certainly in terms of improvement in league position).
Probably have been sacked after not getting out of Div3 at the first attempt these days though.
 
Lets not go over old ground too much but did you honestly think we could keep Maguire and Murphy they were young players who needed to progress you cant hold on to players like that.

No, let's. Because stuff like this - "it's the way it is because it is" - is exactly why we are where we are, struggling to maintain credibility as a football club. Blind acceptance that we are unworthy and incapable of challenging transfer bids and retaining players like Murphy to the end of their (just signed) contracts.

Brayford too much for a full back maybe but at his best way above this league.

No he's not. His impact on the team has been a fraction on what he was playing at on loan under Clough. And anyway ... how much did you say he cost, again?

Billys done his job this season.

Indeed, and without his goals where would we be? See also Murphy's contribution last season. But you still haven't told me how much Murphy cost Brighton ... and how much Billy cost us. Do you know?

With regard to the loans im just quoting the financial aspect of them
You're not exactly 'quoting' anything Lane Ender, are you? I have asked, 'do you have figures for that?' and you have blindly assured Che and Billy will be here next season, based on ... what evidence? My evidence is pretty damning. For the past five or six seasons, we have depleted the playing staff's capabilities considerably in transfer windows. The net loss has outstripped the net gain. Don't believe me?

1 Wigan 41 22 14 5 71 36 35 80
2 Burton 41 23 7 11 51 35 16 76
3 Bradford 41 20 10 11 47 38 9 70
4 Millwall 41 20 9 12 63 45 18 69
5 Gillingham 40 19 11 10 65 44 21 68
6 Walsall 39 19 11 9 57 41 16 68
7 Barnsley 40 19 5 16 61 50 11 62
8 Rochdale 41 17 10 14 59 53 6 61
9 Scunthorpe 41 16 11 14 50 44 6 59
10 Sheff Utd 41 16 11 14 58 53 5 59
11 Southend 41 16 11 14 55 54 1 59
12 Port Vale 42 16 11 15 50 51 -1 59

There you go. Twenty one points behind where I expect us to be right now. Forgive me for having high hopes and aspirations, but most of those clubs above us have beaten us this season, and are on a fraction of our budget. There's my reality.

Hammond will be here next season

Well, I feel better now, I truly do.

Where (in terms of money, league position and actual achievable targets) do you think we will be, come the end of the summer transfer deadline? Figures and reality, please. Not happy clapping.

pommpey
 
Why not ? Not managers but, Quinn, Del boy and Bromby were all ex-pigs and were held in high regard and still are (from what I can remember).

I had no issues with WIlson coming in, he did alright too. Pig links or not, you go for who you think is the right man, not whether he has links to those from S6.

I totally agree. I was quoting somebody else who made those comments recently as an example of the type of criticism Wilson gets on here.
Wilson was a decent, honest bloke who handled himself with great dignity throughout his time at United and even after his unexpected sacking.
People can't really have a go at him over his performance or his personality so they find some other childish reason to abuse him.
 
No Kevin, you can't, it's impossible. We must accept any offer we receive for our best players. Mustn't hold them back, must we?

Those pesky agents!
We are in league 1 you cant hold on to championship class players.
If you were in their position you would do exactly the same its called progression.
You get out of this league with a blend of talented young players coming from L2, Non League or the youth team mixed with top end L1 players.
 
We are in league 1 you cant hold on to championship class players.
If you were in their position you would do exactly the same its called progression.
You get out of this league with a blend of talented young players coming from L2, Non League or the youth team mixed with top end L1 players.

No I wouldn't.

You need the word "no", a backbone, and to be smarter than the likes of Mark Rankine. That's all.

And Jordan Rhodes, for one, says you can and should keep these players until you go up.
 
No, let's. Because stuff like this - "it's the way it is because it is" - is exactly why we are where we are, struggling to maintain credibility as a football club. Blind acceptance that we are unworthy and incapable of challenging transfer bids and retaining players like Murphy to the end of their (just signed) contracts.



No he's not. His impact on the team has been a fraction on what he was playing at on loan under Clough. And anyway ... how much did you say he cost, again?



Indeed, and without his goals where would we be? See also Murphy's contribution last season. But you still haven't told me how much Murphy cost Brighton ... and how much Billy cost us. Do you know?


You're not exactly 'quoting' anything Lane Ender, are you? I have asked, 'do you have figures for that?' and you have blindly assured Che and Billy will be here next season, based on ... what evidence? My evidence is pretty damning. For the past five or six seasons, we have depleted the playing staff's capabilities considerably in transfer windows. The net loss has outstripped the net gain. Don't believe me?

1 Wigan 41 22 14 5 71 36 35 80
2 Burton 41 23 7 11 51 35 16 76
3 Bradford 41 20 10 11 47 38 9 70
4 Millwall 41 20 9 12 63 45 18 69
5 Gillingham 40 19 11 10 65 44 21 68
6 Walsall 39 19 11 9 57 41 16 68
7 Barnsley 40 19 5 16 61 50 11 62
8 Rochdale 41 17 10 14 59 53 6 61
9 Scunthorpe 41 16 11 14 50 44 6 59
10 Sheff Utd 41 16 11 14 58 53 5 59
11 Southend 41 16 11 14 55 54 1 59
12 Port Vale 42 16 11 15 50 51 -1 59

There you go. Twenty one points behind where I expect us to be right now. Forgive me for having high hopes and aspirations, but most of those clubs above us have beaten us this season, and are on a fraction of our budget. There's my reality.



Well, I feel better now, I truly do.

Where (in terms of money, league position and actual achievable targets) do you think we will be, come the end of the summer transfer deadline? Figures and reality, please. Not happy clapping.

pommpey
Sadly its took the manager till the end of the season to get it something like right.
But i like what i see the last few matches.
Ok who would want to buy Billy at Championship level, nobody hes hardcore L1 striker
Any championship/Prem takers for Che, give me a break, loads to prove yet.
Both will be here next season for sure.
 
Sadly its took the manager till the end of the season to get it something like right.
But i like what i see the last few matches.
Ok who would want to buy Billy at Championship level, nobody hes hardcore L1 striker
Any championship/Prem takers for Che, give me a break, loads to prove yet.
Both will be here next season for sure.

Not if the board get an offer for Che. According to you, we can't keep him if that happens.
 
Indeed, and without his goals where would we be? See also Murphy's contribution last season. But you still haven't told me how much Murphy cost Brighton ... and how much Billy cost us. Do you know?
I cant quote figures nobody can on here Murphy had in his head he was going anyway
 
I cant quote figures nobody can on here Murphy had in his head he was going anyway

You can't quote figures. Strangely enough, neither can I.

So on what basis do you hang your affirmation this club isn't in shit street and needs tto sell players (like Admas and Sharp) to pay off gash managerial appointments, a new fucking pitch and countless other financial holes which require McCabe to bung eigh million at the club and foir us still to be a million in the shit at the end of the season? I mean ... what if someone comes in for Adams? What happened with Murphy, Maguire, Macdonald, Blackman ... the list goes on. McCabe sells the players from under the team manager's feet and expects him to turn shit into platinum with shit and more shit.

Go have a look at that table I put up and explain to me why we are there. Go on.

You might like what you see from the Walsall game - I did - and a draw with Gillingham, both at home. But we have shipped some salami into the old tea-towel-holder this season home and away and that comes from your ridiculous acceptance that Murphy (who signed a three year contract the year before he left and has said nothing about 'wanting to go') was a done deal and we could do nothing about it.

And worst of all, on to of this shit sandwich of complacent ambivalence, you still don't seem to care much that he could have gone to Brighton for fuck all.

Welcome to the wilderness years.

pommpey
 
Why do people express such hatred and vitriol towards our ex-managers?
Judging by some of the comments you read on here, you would think they were a motley assortment of war criminals and child molesters.
Personal comments. Slanderous allegations. Hilarious nicknames. Delighting at their perceived failures.

They all tried their best to do a very difficult job, with varying degrees of success.
Some were very poor at the job but I don’t doubt that they gave it their best. No manager sets out wanting to fail.
Some of our most successful managers get the worst abuse but I can’t think of any since Harris who haven’t been subjected to it.

The only one I am pissed off with since we've been in L1 is Clough. I don't hate him, or feel vitriolic, just pissed off. Wilson was treated badly and would have got us up by now I reckon, and Weir was just unfortunate in being out of his depth in his first manager's job. Clough however could and should have done so much better with the resources he was given and wasted (they way he just brushed off questions about James Wallace's poor fitness record at the time he signed makes me particularly angry).

But for me this will all go away and I will have closure when we finally get promoted.
 



What happened with Murphy, Maguire, Macdonald, Blackman
All players who have proved they should be in the championship.
Welcome to the wilderness years.
Weve been in the wilderness a good while now.
BTW its hurts like fuck when good players leave.
Also if you get off on having a pop feel free mucka its only a forum
 
All players who have proved they should be in the championship.

Can you not see the flaw in your judgement, there? Which shirt would you prefer them to be wearing, right now, in the Championship? By all means, license us as a feeder club for more ambitious football teams, why don't you? I mean, look at our pitch, eh?

pommpey
 

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