The disallowed 'goal'

[Berkshire Blade]

I hate var I think it slows the game down and steals moments from football which is what it's all about even controversial ones.

I can't see them not using it unfortunately. I would prefer a cricket style review system where a side has ten seconds and 2 unsuccessful reviews per game before losing them per game. It would cap it somewhat.

 

[MobileBlade]

I hate var I think it slows the game down and steals moments from football which is what it's all about even controversial ones.

I can't see them not using it unfortunately. I would prefer a cricket style review system where a side has ten seconds and 2 unsuccessful reviews per game before losing them per game. It would cap it somewhat.

That is actually being trialled next season (not in England though)

 

[Trigger Blade]

It's only in hindsight that I've thought the s but if our players had done all they could post the goal to be quick with the celebration, so the match kicks off again then would there might have been more of a chance the goal could have stood?

We had exactly that conversation in the way home. Our conclusion was that it would have been a nice try but…. however quick our players were, the VAR official would have spotted something and told the referee to hold on while he checked.

I haven’t seen a replay with time clock, but it felt like a long time before we realised something was wrong, a minute or more, which is a long goal celebration, making the deflating comedown feel even worse, compounded by the ref taking ages to decide and the longer that went on, the more we knew he’d rule it out.

 

[blade too long]

It was the right decision.

the only player who was not in his vision is the only one in an offside position

 

[71Blade]

It’s a goal, and it’s game over.

Split second decisions on peripheral vision is a nonsense.

Anyone agreeing with the decision is enabling the decimation of our game.

For the past 150 years it’s a goal, not now.

With AI should every game be revisited let's say since the start of the Premier League and see how every league table with and without VAR? Throw in the mix end of season goal scoring charts and yellow and red cards

. Why don't they ban fans so they can all stay at home and instead of celebrating goals they can all watch 3 bafoons in Stockley park all helping take away any responsibility that the referee should have.. basically absolute joke I hate it I cannot stand it it's stupid. Jumpers for goalposts the beautiful game is on its way out.

 

[mackempaddy]

And which of these reasons was Souza found guilty of, because as far as I can tell, he was not clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision.

He impacts the keepers ability to dive for the ball by moving across the line of the shot.

Patterson can’t dive for the shot because he thinks Souza might touch the ball and re-direct it.

 

[thehet]

He impacts the keepers ability to dive for the ball by moving across the line of the shot.

Patterson can’t dive for the shot because he thinks Souza might touch the ball and re-direct it.

Patterson did infact dive for the shot.

 

[spikeachu]

Perhaps the first question VAR should ask themselves in these situations is;

Did the offside player affect the outcome?

ie, is it likely the keeper would have made a save had the offside player not been there.

If the answer is No, award the goal. He's not interfering with play if he didn't affect the outcome.

If the answer is Yes, then move on to;

Did the offside player contribute to the goal by attempting to play the ball or obscuring the keeper's view ...

I get that it's still subjective, but the rule as applied in the match would have ruled out a thunderbastard that rattled the underside of the crossbar in the top bins. The sort of strike that two unobstructed keepers couldn't have kept out.

 

[jt64]

It's only in hindsight that I've thought the s but if our players had done all they could post the goal to be quick with the celebration, so the match kicks off again then would there might have been more of a chance the goal could have stood?

Sunderland just keep one player in our half, plan foiled. Or, for that matter, just don't kick off. I mean it's not "pulled back to 2-1 down in stoppage time must grab ball and run back to centre spot ASAP despite it saving no game time whatsoever" lunacy, but no, that doesn't work

 

[Booker4]

Sunderland just keep one player in our half, plan foiled. Or, for that matter, just don't kick off. I mean it's not "pulled back to 2-1 down in stoppage time must grab ball and run back to centre spot ASAP despite it saving no game time whatsoever" lunacy, but no, that doesn't work

Sunderland didn't seem at all like they were appealing so my thoughts was if we'd just celebrated much quicker it could have forced vars hand more to not intervene. Unlikely I know.

 

[sheff_blade90]

at the time my thought. was not with the decision it's self because i can see where they are coming from. he did run in front of the keeper (although he had run to the right otherwise he wouldve ran straight into the path of the ball)

but my problem is with VAR itself. ive not changed from that. this is for all 3 play off finals. we dont have VAR for 48 games from early August to mid may & yet it used for the 49th. & in any of those 48 games that goal is given & we win that game comfortably. so trying to be "fair" has just made it unfair. should Coventry be aggrieved. as whose to say Dan Ballard semi final winner was legal. there wasnt something they missed & Coventry were robbed of penalties. you cant change the goalposts during the season

weirdly jimmy anderson the cricketer said it the best about not liking VAR. things do even out over the season. but you only remember the things that didnt go your way.

 

[Varkanoid]

weirdly jimmy anderson the cricketer said it the best about not liking VAR. things do even out over the season. but you only remember the things that didnt go your way.

except in our case VAR was used once not over the season and we will ALWAYS remember what didnt go our way.

 

[sheff_blade90]

except in our case VAR was used once not over the season and we will ALWAYS remember what didnt go our way.

oh yeah that why its was so frustrating. but he was mentioning at 38 game PL season

 

[Yewsman]

I dont think enough grounds are capable of it. Luton had to essentially rebuild a stand to accomodate comms and VAR tech. Cannot see that happening at Oxford etc

Whilst you cannot disagree its 'offside' by the law but problem is 48 games of no VAR and then EFL changes it. You can argue that its a massive game and needs to have 'correct' decisions but you should at least have it in semis then.

The problem is that VAR does not in practice produce 'correct' decisions. Every week there seems to be dreadful decisions by VAR or the ref.. Latest ones Henderson in FA Cup final ans now Villa complaining about Manure goal.

 

[LondonBlade89]

Just to add yet another view, I was finally able to bring myself to watch the goal earlier. And Souza IMO does cause the goalie to initially hold off any dive, thereby making him offside. It’s rotten luck that out of nowhere they decide to use VAR in the final and we’re on the wrong side of it because of course we are. The whole usage of it ruins the game and I’m delighted we won’t be playing with it next year.

 

[thehet]

Perhaps the first question VAR should ask themselves in these situations is;

Did the offside player affect the outcome?

ie, is it likely the keeper would have made a save had the offside player not been there.

If the answer is No, award the goal. He's not interfering with play if he didn't affect the outcome.

If the answer is Yes, then move on to;

Did the offside player contribute to the goal by attempting to play the ball or obscuring the keeper's view ...

I get that it's still subjective, but the rule as applied in the match would have ruled out a thunderbastard that rattled the underside of the crossbar in the top bins. The sort of strike that two unobstructed keepers couldn't have kept out.

The problem with this idea is that it doesn’t take into account players’ ability. An international goalkeeper should in theory be able to save more than a League 2 keeper, and I don’t know how you legislate for that supposed difference.

 

[originaltrueblade]

It should have been 2-0 and that decision to rule the goal out emboldened Sunderland and depleted our energy. If it had been rightly allowed Sunderland would have collapsed and we could have scored even more.

Corruption has been mentioned many time's and that decision only hammers home that view

 

[Surrey Blade]

Both Howard Webb and Keith Hackett have stated that our second goal should have been allowed. VAR was meant to intervene only when a clear and obvious error has occurred. Judging by the time Chris Kavanagh took, it was not an obvious error. Not only did we have a legitimate goal ruled out, but our impetus was lost and both the Sunderland team and their supporters were galvanised. The Blades curse strikes again.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Is this going to be the next "poor old Sheffield United" conspiracy to go with Segars, Tevez, Ched etc that we bang on about for years and how "the football gods" nonsense kept us down?

Or are we going to grow a backbone as a club and use a perceived injustice as a springboard to kick on and actually do something?

I mean we've got a manager sat pissed and roaring at ground last night who needs "3 weeks rest" why can't he come out and say he's seen what went wrong he's gonna fix it and we are gonna smash it next season?

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

I’d rather they didn’t say it should have stood

 

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[LBA_Blade]

Said it multiple times that the offside law is far too complex and up to interpretation.

 

[haich1889]

Not going on a campaign against the officials it was a marginal call but it was so important and deserves a thread of it's own.

Do people thing it was right it was disallowed?

no. With all the best technology in the world and up to 3 minutes, the experts couldn't call it. How the fuc# did the ref on a little monitor pitch side from about 6 foot???? His ego required a history making pitch announcement. You only have to watch the dramatic way he strode on to the pitch & waited for the noise to die down. Narcisist, full weight.

 

[Varkanoid]

no. With all the best technology in the world and up to 3 minutes, the experts couldn't call it. How the fuc# did the ref on a little monitor pitch side from about 6 foot???? His ego required a history making pitch announcement. You only have to watch the dramatic way he strode on to the pitch & waited for the noise to die down. Narcisist, full weight.

I also did think it was a bit of justification for VAR and its new transparency rather than actually giving the right decision. However I would have liked to hear/read the whole transcript from the moment the goal scored to the point of announcement by the ref. Not that it would change anything but why have the ref announce it doesnt make any difference to me whether he did or played charades (TV.... 3 words) show us the whole conversation not the edited highlight.

 

[Bladesman]

Sunderland fan here.

Imo, the goal was 50/50 on whether it should have stood. My heart sank when seeing the replay as I couldn't see much wrong with it. I can see why it was disallowed, but can also argue why it should have been allowed.

The whole offside/interfering/not interfering rule seems to be a complete mess.

What a strike btw.

Good luck, you have all this sort of VAR bollocks to deal with next season.

It's why some of us are not too gutted about not going up.

 

[RichSAFC]

Good luck, you have all this sort of VAR bollocks to deal with next season.

It's why some of us are not too gutted about not going up.

The more I think about the Championship, the more I'm gonna miss it. Just good, honest, tooth and nail football. No VAR, no dodgy Man Utd supporting refs, no overpaid wankers diving around on the floor.

It really is a great league to watch.

 

[CornwallBlade]

Offside in general just needs binning.

We go to watch goals as far as I'm concerned. Offside rule forces teams to piss about with the ball in midfield passing backwards and forward. There is no real excitement there until the winger with space gets the ball to "get in behind" or the CM goes on a marauding run.

Without offside, defenders actually have to play football and get stuck in. Not maintain an imaginary line for 90 mins that causes some sort of controversy every other week. The game in some aspects becomes more tactical, with shifting formations and we would see a lot of goals or maybe even fewer, it would depend how teams would set up.

It would never happen nowadays anyway. If anything, the game we love is just going to get more corporate with more rules imposed. They ain't getting rid of VAR now. I assume it with trickle it's way down the professional leagues when the tech gets dirt cheap.

I played hockey during the time when the offside was ditched. At first people thought it would be a goal hangers charter but quite the opposite happened as you can’t afford to have a player effectively out of the game. It also opened the game up as the defence couldn’t compress the playing area. I’d bin it tomorrow, probably the most contentious rule of all.

 

[Toto]

It's A BASTARD but we have to get over this. There IS no right or wrong about this, we've done it to death now and it is doing us no good. I've supported United for so long and will continue. I've had unbelievably great highs and like this one, great lows. I know nowt else, the Lane is my home after 60 years of going, it is where I feel at home, where I will always belong. So let's take it on the chin, we always have. Get behind the team next season whoever is at the helm, I guarantee that there will be a time when you look back and think that this was all bollocks, just another bad day and the present is fantastic. That's football.
Get behind the lads next season and the manager, if it's Wilder you can be sure he will be intent on getting us promoted automatically. He is hurting and maybe just needs a few kind words, we all do when the going is tough. We all make mistakes but like the disallowed goal, gone the other way and it could have been heaven!

 

[haich1889]

I played hockey during the time when the offside was ditched. At first people thought it would be a goal hangers charter but quite the opposite happened as you can’t afford to have a player effectively out of the game. It also opened the game up as the defence couldn’t compress the playing area. I’d bin it tomorrow, probably the most contentious rule of all.

It is physically impossible most of the time for the linesman to look down the line & watch the kicker at the same time. He would need each eye looking in a different direction. Like Clarence the cross eyed lion.