The board did not sack Wilder

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He said Scott Parker was the best dressed manager
Fucking lol, I read the tweets from man city but I missed that bit.
 
Yes, but as bad as Weir and Adkins were they:
1. Weren’t operating in the Premier League.
2. Didn’t waste a kings ransom on players that aren’t up to scratch and, in some cases, weren’t what we needed.
3. Didn’t oversee one of the worse periods of losing form by any team, in any league, ever.
4. Didn’t spend press conferences taking potshots at the clubs hierarchy.

I’m gutted he’s gone if it’s confirmed, but only because I was hoping the Wilder of 2 years ago would re-emerge. This surrendering, petulant version I’m less sure about.
Agree to some extent but the first season built on the euphoria of promotion to the Premier League. Like starting a new well paid job. You're eager to do as well as you can, work your socks off and treat management like they're something special because they made you feel special.
Season 2 reality sets in, players can't keep up the crazy pace, the adrenaline has run dry, injuries take their toll. Wilder has realised the task in hand is virtually impossible. I think you would have to be a very special person not to start looking for reasons to shift the blame.
 
Agree to some extent but the first season built on the euphoria of promotion to the Premier League. Like starting a new well paid job. You're eager to do as well as you can, work your socks off and treat management like they're something special because they made you feel special.
Season 2 reality sets in, players can't keep up the crazy pace, the adrenaline has run dry, injuries take their toll. Wilder has realised the task in hand is virtually impossible. I think you would have to be a very special person not to start looking for reasons to shift the blame.
Fair analogy
 
You missed Pep’s comments then?
What’s that got do with how the Blades have done this season. I’m probably hell of a lot more gutted than you with what’s happened this season.
I’m gutted for Wilder after how he got the Blades to the top flight but what has gone so wrong?
 
The Prince also said he'd bring in a couple of loan players in January. The Prince presumably told people he actually had some money. Maybe the Prince is full of shit.
Maybe the players Wilder wanted we werent able to afford and didnt want to bring in anyone else ?
 
FFS this lame arsed it's all Wilders fault because he didn't sign loadsa great players argument.

1. Wilder has been fishing in a very small pond for talent given thr restrictions the board gave him i.e. must be young and up and coming, must be cheap wages wise.
2. Evidently a lot of these signings weren't his first choice. E.g. He got gazumped wages wise for sodding Antonee Robinson by Fulham.
3. It's not as if we paid over the odds when the likes of Maupay, Wesley and Joelinton went for bigger fees and have been equally uninspiring.

Sick of this dumb argument.

If we paid Premier League wages we'd probably have signed players who could have gone straight. We don't and that's on the board.

I'm glad Wilder spends his press conferences taking pot shots at the club hierarchy. He was trying to force their hand. What do you want instead, some patsy who just murmers empty words because that's probably what will come next and we'll all hate it.
In my eyes Wilders has built 3 team/squads. The league 1 championship team, the Championship promotion team (which pretty much played the first half of the 19/20 season. And this current squad. This squad is much younger, since Jan 2020 he's signed Berge, Brewster, Bogle, Burke, Lowe and Ramsdale on top of McBurnie in the previous window (who are all under 25 and have supposedly cost £95m) and in my opinion built a very decent Championship team. He really needed 3 or 4 of these to immediately step up to prem level and the sad truth is none of them have. I'd have kept him on to have a go next season with this new team but it seems that's not going to happen.

Instead, we enter into the casino and put our chips on 2. 8 and 25, hoping that we find another winner. 21 managers in my time watching the blades and only 4 who can claim any sort of success. Wilder competes with Dave Bassett as the best of them and personally I've enjoyed his time more as the football at times has been so enjoyable to watch.
 
Oh I'm sorry. Yeah your right he's utterly shit. Any manager would have taken us from League One to the brink of Europe ona limited budget, picking up the LMA manager of the year on the way.

Of course we should go back to the dinosaur period and play 442 with no actual wingers in the squad. It was so successful pre-Wilder. Jesus wept. It's so simple init. It's like Sunday League football, right lads 442 today.
That’s the thing I didn’t say Wilder is shit.

oh sorry lord of football I forgot you can’t just decide to switch tactics to suit your team and form.
It baffles me you’ve used the term dinosaur period. 4-4-2 is widely used but in different ways.
If your midfield 3 is off form and getting overrun you’ve lost out defensively and offensively. Surely you have seen this through the season but Wilder just carried on.
 
In my eyes Wilders has built 3 team/squads. The league 1 championship team, the Championship promotion team (which pretty much played the first half of the 19/20 season. And this current squad. This squad is much younger, since Jan 2020 he's signed Berge, Brewster, Bogle, Burke, Lowe and Ramsdale on top of McBurnie in the previous window (who are all under 25 and have supposedly cost £95m) and in my opinion built a very decent Championship team. He really needed 3 or 4 of these to immediately step up to prem level and the sad truth is none of them have. I'd have kept him on to have a go next season with this new team but it seems that's not going to happen.

Instead, we enter into the casino and put our chips on 2. 8 and 25, hoping that we find another winner. 21 managers in my time watching the blades and only 4 who can claim any sort of success. Wilder competes with Dave Bassett as the best of them and personally I've enjoyed his time more as the football at times has been so enjoyable to watch.

A Sunderland fan said to me before we'd kicked a ball in the Premier League last season, "I love your manager, but all your signings look like they've been made because you expect to go down and are already building a squad ready to come straight back up".

Perhaps he was right. Wilder over achieved and now we are stuck with a set of great Championship players not quite ready for the step up!

In my opinion, that's the boards policy not the managers
 
That’s the thing I didn’t say Wilder is shit.

oh sorry lord of football I forgot you can’t just decide to switch tactics to suit your team and form.
It baffles me you’ve used the term dinosaur period. 4-4-2 is widely used but in different ways.
If your midfield 3 is off form and getting overrun you’ve lost out defensively and offensively. Surely you have seen this through the season but Wilder just carried on.

We just bin off a very successful system in response to bad form and injuries and replace it with one that we haven't trained for and haven't even got the players to fit the system.

I don't even understand your argument. If your midfield 3 is getting overrun, why go to a midfield 2!

Hardly anyone plays 442 any more and adopting it now would not get form back, not get players fit and just confuse things more
 
Oh I'm sorry. Yeah your right he's utterly shit. Any manager would have taken us from League One to the brink of Europe ona limited budget, picking up the LMA manager of the year on the way.

Of course we should go back to the dinosaur period and play 442 with no actual wingers in the squad. It was so successful pre-Wilder. Jesus wept. It's so simple init. It's like Sunday League football, right lads 442 today.
To be fair, 4-4-2 was Wilder’s favoured formation at the beginning...

I’m equally as gutted that he’s seemingly left the club, but it’s glaringly obvious the current formation isn’t working and hasn’t for quite some time. I’ve said it before, but when we’ve reverted to a back-four during games, we’ve looked a bit more adventurous.

Nobody is enjoying this and nobody is saying Wilder is shit, either. Let’s just wait for the official statement to be released before we get at each other’s throats.

UTB
 
To be fair, 4-4-2 was Wilder’s favoured formation at the beginning...

I’m equally as gutted that he’s seemingly left the club, but it’s glaringly obvious the current formation isn’t working and hasn’t for quite some time. I’ve said it before, but when we’ve reverted to a back-four during games, we’ve looked a bit more adventurous.

Nobody is enjoying this and nobody is saying Wilder is shit, either. Let’s just wait for the official statement to be released before we get at each other’s throats.

UTB

Nonsense. This is just another lame "the grass is always greener if we do this" type argument.

Changing the formation which we've built a squad around and trained daily with isn't going to get players back from injuries or have then regain form.

Any formation would have exposed our waifer thin squad.

Just swapping systems overnight and sticking round pegs in square holes is not the solution and certainly not a stick to beat our manager with
 

We just bin off a very successful system in response to bad form and injuries and replace it with one that we haven't trained for and haven't even got the players to fit the system.

I don't even understand your argument. If your midfield 3 is getting overrun, why go to a midfield 2!

Hardly anyone plays 442 any more and adopting it now would not get form back, not get players fit and just confuse things more
If you got to 4 in midfield you have 4 not 2. You can play a tight midfield 4 when defending then use a wide midfield for attacking. We have Burke and Bogle who are pacy who could of run the wings. You had McGoldrick who could have played a supporting striker role as he was good at getting stuck in but like running forward.
you just needed 2 central midfielders to break up opposition attacks and that would have given our defence more chance.
Also I know we are just going disagree with each other but I really like the 5-3-2 wilder set up as it was exciting but I will stand by what I said in that loss of key players and form should have seen a change to how the team set up. We didn’t even use the overlapping defenders which was the amazing thing to watch during that 1st season in the prem which got all the pundits excited.
One more thing as well is Freeman. A player known to get stuck in but be very good going forward was loaned out. Why was that? Surely he should have been kept on as he would have been ideal in a 3.
 
A Sunderland fan said to me before we'd kicked a ball in the Premier League last season, "I love your manager, but all your signings look like they've been made because you expect to go down and are already building a squad ready to come straight back up".

Perhaps he was right. Wilder over achieved and now we are stuck with a set of great Championship players not quite ready for the step up!

In my opinion, that's the boards policy not the managers
If that is the policy, then calling Wilder out for implementing it, is extremely harsh. The other (mostly older) players he's signed since promotion do indicate it's a championship squad he's trying to build - Luke Freeman, Osborn, J Robinson, C Robinson, Mousett. And of course the money he's spent is money he's generated by taking a squad built for league 1 to the PL.

The chairman wants to adopt the DoF model and has used our terrible season to try and implement it on Wilder. Wilder has pushed back it seems and we are where we are.

Hopefully they all kiss and make up but I don't think that's going to happen. the next hope is that we land on the next Klopp as head coach and smash the championship to pieces. Knowing our luck they promote Heckingbottom, sell anyone with a value, bank the parachute payments and we turn into the next Hull City
 
What a load of shite.

We go through the likes of Weir and Adkins without bothering to force a 'structure' on them.

Then we get a successful and widely admired manager and decide the best thing to do is force stuff on him and piss him off so that he leaves.

What a bunch of wankers

I hope Prince Abdullah sells up as soon as possible and never ventures anywhere near Bramall Lane again.
Where is there any evidence that the Board was forcing any structure on him ?
They may not have achieved in giving him everything he wanted, but that may be down to a lack of money or , perhaps, proper management of an employee who is making some poor decisions
 
Nonsense. This is just another lame "the grass is always greener if we do this" type argument.

Changing the formation which we've built a squad around and trained daily with isn't going to get players back from injuries or have then regain form.

Any formation would have exposed our waifer thin squad.

Just swapping systems overnight and sticking round pegs in square holes is not the solution and certainly not a stick to beat our manager with
If the system is the best option why is it abandoned whenever we need goals? If we actually scored goals earlier then we wouldn't be in this position.

He's been completely inflexible tactically and it has hurt the team. We are predictable in attack and disorganised in defence (especially at set pieces).
 
Nonsense. This is just another lame "the grass is always greener if we do this" type argument.

Changing the formation which we've built a squad around and trained daily with isn't going to get players back from injuries or have then regain form.

Any formation would have exposed our waifer thin squad.

Just swapping systems overnight and sticking round pegs in square holes is not the solution and certainly not a stick to beat our manager with
Having 4 out and out midfielders in a system which requires 3 at any given time to be on the pitch is certainly a stick to beat our manager with though, and ultimately the midfield or lack of is why we’re going down. We’ve lost just about every midfield battle we’ve been in this season. Strengthening that should’ve been first priority this summer and we didn’t sign a single one. But he got a 23m striker who he was begging for in the media to solve all his problems.
 
What’s that got do with how the Blades have done this season. I’m probably hell of a lot more gutted than you with what’s happened this season.
I’m gutted for Wilder after how he got the Blades to the top flight but what has gone so wrong?
Whats gone so wrong is that the Prince has failed to secure the best interests of the club. He’s lost Wilder and the huge majority of the fan base who rightly or wrongly are hooked on the Wilder dream, one of our own etc. He has failed to mediate and come to an acceptable solution for all concerned. Letting Wilder have his way and see what happened in the Championship next year would have been the obvious thing. If it didn’t work out then there’d be fewer people upset to see Wilder go. He’s allowed the baby to be thrown out with the bath water. I’d say incompetent.
 
Nonsense. This is just another lame "the grass is always greener if we do this" type argument.

Changing the formation which we've built a squad around and trained daily with isn't going to get players back from injuries or have then regain form.

Any formation would have exposed our waifer thin squad.

Just swapping systems overnight and sticking round pegs in square holes is not the solution and certainly not a stick to beat our manager with
In your opinion it’s ‘nonsense’.

No, changing a system isn’t going to bring players back from injury, but starting with a system we inevitably change to once going behind might help, particularly when we don’t have enough capable defenders to play in a three.

Do you think we only plan for games using the same 3-5-2 formation? I’m fed up of hearing, “changing formation would see us exposed”, or, “we’d get annihilated with four at the back”. Well, we haven’t yet, have we?

There isn’t much point engaging in conversation with you because you’re seemingly always right.
 
You missed Pep’s comments then?

What do you expect him to say? He’s hardly going to say “Sheffield United have been proper wank this season so I’m amazed Wilder wasn’t sacked sooner”.

Managers always stick up for each other and you’ll only hear positive comments following a sacking.
 
If you got to 4 in midfield you have 4 not 2. You can play a tight midfield 4 when defending then use a wide midfield for attacking. We have Burke and Bogle who are pacy who could of run the wings. You had McGoldrick who could have played a supporting striker role as he was good at getting stuck in but like running forward.
you just needed 2 central midfielders to break up opposition attacks and that would have given our defence more chance.
Also I know we are just going disagree with each other but I really like the 5-3-2 wilder set up as it was exciting but I will stand by what I said in that loss of key players and form should have seen a change to how the team set up. We didn’t even use the overlapping defenders which was the amazing thing to watch during that 1st season in the prem which got all the pundits excited.
One more thing as well is Freeman. A player known to get stuck in but be very good going forward was loaned out. Why was that? Surely he should have been kept on as he would have been ideal in a 3.

So you're going to play with no wingers and a really narrow system. You don't think that will leave our full backs very vulnerable and lead to an even lesser creative output going forward?

Pardon me for saying I've seen this before, but 4-4-2 with a packed midfield that's never been great.

I like Freeman, but could see he had his limitations and understand why he's not made it in the Prem
 
I see the same things happening at Beerschot as in Sheffield. He bought 50% of the club on the cheap when we were just promoted from 3rd division to 2nd, made promises to build new training facilities. 4 years later still nothing changed and we still have the worst training facility of the pro clubs. Told this winter when we were top of the table we would keep pushing for a top table finish. Then sold our best striker to a team below us in the table and on deadline day signed one crippled loannee in Bakkali who hasn’t played a minute and a decent young central defender when we have zero coverage in midfield and lack attacking flair since the sale of Tissoudali. It all seems to turn around establishing a group of worldwide clubs they can play with rather then going for the best of one club. Club interests are sacrificed for higher interests. And today we had the joy to read prince increased its interest in Beerschot from 50% to 75%. We have a very bit summer coming up. At Beerschot we expect serious investment in the squad because everyone is predicting a very tough second season in the top flight without good recruitment. At Sheffield prince needs to show he will ensure an immediate promotion challenge. Anything less and we should do a Duchâtelet out campaign because it is starting to look a lot like what Duchâtelet did at Charlton and his other clubs around the globe. Finally, after doing a lot of harm he was expelled by continuous supporters protest.
 
Having thought about this most.of the night, like probably everyone else has!

Will Wilder get full control of any other club that he's wanting, for instance Celtic which seems to be the rumour he’ll not have anywhere near the level of control he has here.

Granted the facilities etc will be a lot better.
 
If we paid Premier League wages we'd probably have signed players who could have gone straight. We don't and that's on the board.
If we had, or could then, we would have signed them.
All of us and CW know PA hasn't got money to bankroll the club. Our budget is just the Prem/Sky money, nothing else.
I don't think Prince has made out he's got more, and it's been pretty clear all along we don't have budget, beyond the Prem money.
Is that the boards fault, by not being rich? I don't think so, it's just the way it is.
We've struggled with trying to build a prem team in too short a time on limited funds with a few signings that didn't work as we hoped, key players imjured , few dropping form, and here we are.
 

If we had, or could then, we would have signed them.
All of us and CW know PA hasn't got money to bankroll the club. Our budget is just the Prem/Sky money, nothing else.
I don't think Prince has made out he's got more, and it's been pretty clear all along we don't have budget, beyond the Prem money.
Is that the boards fault, by not being rich? I don't think so, it's just the way it is.
We've struggled with trying to build a prem team in too short a time on limited funds with a few signings that didn't work as we hoped, key players imjured , few dropping form, and here we are.

It's not the boards fault for not being rich.

But they can't then blame the manager and sack him if it doesn't work out.

They seem to think Wilder will just pull off a miracle every season and if that miracle doesn't happen then sack him.

Whatever happens post Wilder is on the Prince, money or no money. Not the managers fault, not some faceless Director of Footballs fault, all on the Prince
 

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