Sydie Peck

[AWetFlannel]

Serious question when do kids stop being kids? appreciate clubs remit will be straight back to the promised land i would like to see us use some of the kids get them involved now serves 2 purposes more game time and hopefully increased offers should other clubs come sniffing.

Or all we all a bit obsessed with new signings? I fully appreciate some may not be good enough but if really like to see how Peck and Marsh get a run of games and Slimane see how he gets on in the championship.

When they prove themselves ready to be senior professionals. I get that to do this they need game time, but if they were already as good as the senior pros on the books the manager would see it in training and play them.

I too would like us to take the odd risk on our academy and give lads a chance where ordinarily they wouldn't be. Particularly given our situation, I'd hope Chris allows the kids that might be ready a chance with us.

However, if there's a club in league 1 who would be more likely to give Peck proper game time this season, I'd rather that.

 

[bonobo]

A ‘9’ is an out and out centre forward, plays on the last defender and rarely drops back to fetch the ball.

A ‘10’ plays just behind the centre forward in an effort to play in between midfield and attack and link the two. In theory it’s quite hard to defend a ‘10’ because they play in the gap where no one picks up.

There’s also a ‘6’ nowadays used quite often. It’s a defensive midfielder in old money, sits in front of the defence and wants the ball off the defenders as well as providing a screen when defending. Like Norwood in his pomp for us.

Growing up the DM or the more defensive of the mids always wore 4. The centre backs were 5 and 6. ( I think Arblaster has 4 now). I don't know when this type of player started getting called a 6 or where it came from. I just don't remember midfielders wearing 6.

 

[Wards]

I get the Dozzell experience argument, but, at the same time, the last thing you need as a club who is seemingly intent on developing and selling youngsters as an operating model is signing players who will act as 'blockers' to first team opportunities for the likes of Peck.

Of course that depends on what you want out of this season. If we're absolutely hell-bent on promotion then maybe Dozzell is a better option. Personally speaking I'd prefer any minutes he'd get to go to Peck as someone who may offer similar output and perhaps have a chance of making it at a higher level (this is probably Dozzell's ceiling ability wise).

Both sides have their merits but I'd prefer us to promote from within in this instance. I haven't seen anything from Dozzell that suggests he'd be anything more than squad-filler.

 

[finlaytheblade]

When they prove themselves ready to be senior professionals. I get that to do this they need game time, but if they were already as good as the senior pros on the books the manager would see it in training and play them.

I too would like us to take the odd risk on our academy and give lads a chance where ordinarily they wouldn't be. Particularly given our situation, I'd hope Chris allows the kids that might be ready a chance with us.

However, if there's a club in league 1 who would be more likely to give Peck proper game time this season, I'd rather that.

With the amount of players teams can have on the bench now ! 3or 4 of these potential starters can be on the bench! When game circumstances allow it we can give them cameos.
Really these young lads are very close to being starters not just subs!.

 

[Uganda Blade]

Peck was literally better than Dozzell yesterday, it's not so much Peck looking good in friendlies but Dozzell looking sub-Rotherham level that's the concern of signing him, he's proven, but proven to be mediocre at best.


He's played in one of the two deep midfield spots in every friendly so far.

OK thanks. Clearly I've got mixed up!

 

[billyblademan]

I get the Dozzell experience argument, but, at the same time, the last thing you need as a club who is seemingly intent on developing and selling youngsters as an operating model is signing players who will act as 'blockers' to first team opportunities for the likes of Peck.

Of course that depends on what you want out of this season. If we're absolutely hell-bent on promotion then maybe Dozzell is a better option. Personally speaking I'd prefer any minutes he'd get to go to Peck as someone who may offer similar output and perhaps have a chance of making it at a higher level (this is probably Dozzell's ceiling ability wise).

Both sides have their merits but I'd prefer us to promote from within in this instance. I haven't seen anything from Dozzell that suggests he'd be anything more than squad-filler.

The other advantage of course for Dozzell is that he could bench warm and get the odd 10 minute cameo, whilst Peck goes on loan and gets 90 minutes every week to develop for someone.

I’ve not seen enough of either to form an opinion, but playing about 12 minutes of league football between now and Christmas probably isn’t what’s best for Peck right now.

 

[VictoryBlade]

I get the Dozzell experience argument, but, at the same time, the last thing you need as a club who is seemingly intent on developing and selling youngsters as an operating model is signing players who will act as 'blockers' to first team opportunities for the likes of Peck.

Of course that depends on what you want out of this season. If we're absolutely hell-bent on promotion then maybe Dozzell is a better option. Personally speaking I'd prefer any minutes he'd get to go to Peck as someone who may offer similar output and perhaps have a chance of making it at a higher level (this is probably Dozzell's ceiling ability wise).

Both sides have their merits but I'd prefer us to promote from within in this instance. I haven't seen anything from Dozzell that suggests he'd be anything more than squad-filler.

All I want from this season is a competitive team and the Lane 'rocking' again with a decent amount of victories...................the rest will take care of itself! Oh and of course for my little dog to grow!

 

[Wards]

The other advantage of course for Dozzell is that he could bench warm and get the odd 10 minute cameo, whilst Peck goes on loan and gets 90 minutes every week to develop for someone.

I’ve not seen enough of either to form an opinion, but playing about 12 minutes of league football between now and Christmas probably isn’t what’s best for Peck right now.

Also true, maybe a loan for Peck is a good idea anyway. I do rare him though - I thought he'd be in the first team before Arblaster.

 

[SE1Blade]

A ‘9’ is an out and out centre forward, plays on the last defender and rarely drops back to fetch the ball.

A ‘10’ plays just behind the centre forward in an effort to play in between midfield and attack and link the two. In theory it’s quite hard to defend a ‘10’ because they play in the gap where no one picks up.

There’s also a ‘6’ nowadays used quite often. It’s a defensive midfielder in old money, sits in front of the defence and wants the ball off the defenders as well as providing a screen when defending. Like Norwood in his pomp for us.

Think
Billy Sharp - 9
David McGoldrick - 10

 

[Houston_Blade]

Think
Billy Sharp - 9
David McGoldrick - 10

Not to be confused by the fact that Sharp wore number 10

 

[Houston_Blade]

Growing up the DM or the more defensive of the mids always wore 4. The centre backs were 5 and 6. ( I think Arblaster has 4 now). I don't know when this type of player started getting called a 6 or where it came from. I just don't remember midfielders wearing 6.

I’m the same, although I was always a centre half and from 8 years old until late teens always wore number 4 but that was superstition for me!

 

[jono_t2000]

I'm fine whether we decide to keep Peck (and other youngsters) around the 1st team or send them out on loan.

However just keep in mind that that they're still highly inexperienced at playing long periods in men's football.

So aside from cameos here and there, if we get injuries and ask Peck or the other youngsters to play long periods of games, there's a possibility of them costing us as many points as they help us to earn.

 

[Balham]

Growing up the DM or the more defensive of the mids always wore 4. The centre backs were 5 and 6. ( I think Arblaster has 4 now). I don't know when this type of player started getting called a 6 or where it came from. I just don't remember midfielders wearing 6.

I’m the same, although I was always a centre half and from 8 years old until late teens always wore number 4 but that was superstition for me!

The idea of midfielders being a ‘6’, ‘8’ or ‘10’ is one we’ve imported from Spanish football where historically 4 was worn by a defender.

Apropos of nothing, I started wearing 4 as a CB for my uni team and still wear it now given a choice, irrespective of where I’m playing.

 

[Sparky_Blade]

Maybe instead of shipping young uns out, hire specialist defense, midfield and attacking coaches to develop them. It worked with Jack and Mcall

Talking of coaching staff, have we replaced Keith Andrews? Or are we just sticking with the one assistant now.

 

[Bergen Blade]

2 5 6 3

used to be the norm in Bassett's days. Gayle no 5, RCB, Beesley no 6, LCB. Gannon could be the number 4 as the most holding midfielder.

I thought this was the only right setup for some time, but I think someone on here explained to me that sometimes the no 4 was a centre half and the no 6 was in midfield. I think the left sided centre half being left footed or not played a part? I think Bruce and Pallister (two right footers) wore 4 and 5 at Man Utd, while the 6 would be a midfielder?

 

[Bl4desutd]

He needs a season in L1 for me, he's only played competitively consistently at National League level. Needs to prove himself at L1, unless we really need him for depth.fi

Too many people assuming that Peck is now a Championship level player. Thousands of kids have impressive minutes in friendlies and end up in non league.

Dozzell has proven himself at this level, Peck hasn't even begun to do so yet. The chance of Peck being a better player than Dozzell this season or in the future are still incredibly slim.

If you’ve watched Peck on several occasions like I have you know when someone has what it takes. Believe me, he has what it takes

 

[Bl4desutd]

Dozzell has played well in all the other friendlies, less so against Rotherham. We also have his 100 odd games against Championship opposite to go on, and a bit in league 1.

Peck has played 11 games for Oldham in non league, and about 10mins in a PL game where he didn't touch the ball. He looked brighter than Dozzell against Rotherham for 15 minutes in a friendly.

We've had loads of kids look better than senior pros for short spells, we know it doesn't guarantee consistency. Peck has looked good, so deserves to keep getting chances. We all hope for the best, but should appreciate the odds aren't on him being a top Championship player.

Peck played the most of the chesterfield game and he was fantastic

 

[AWetFlannel]

If you’ve watched Peck on several occasions like I have you know when someone has what it takes. Believe me, he has what it takes

If anyone had a formula for working out whether or not young players had what it takes, they'd be scouting for Barcelona.

Plenty of players are incredibly talented and seem to have a solid mentality, but it just doesn't happen.

He looks good to me, deserves game time and a chance, I'd certainly sign him onto a secure contract. Despite that, it's still far more likely than not that he'll end up below the Championship.

 

[Balham]

2 5 6 3

used to be the norm in Bassett's days. Gayle no 5, RCB, Beesley no 6, LCB. Gannon could be the number 4 as the most holding midfielder.

I thought this was the only right setup for some time, but I think someone on here explained to me that sometimes the no 4 was a centre half and the no 6 was in midfield. I think the left sided centre half being left footed or not played a part? I think Bruce and Pallister (two right footers) wore 4 and 5 at Man Utd, while the 6 would be a midfielder?

In Brazil it’s generally 2 3 5 6.

It all stems from the old 2-3-5 formation which was
2 - 3
4 - 5 - 6
7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11

5 dropped back in first with the advent of offside; then 4 or 6 when the game moved to a back four.

There’s a wealth of information online if you’re interested :-D

 

[Bl4desutd]

If anyone had a formula for working out whether or not young players had what it takes, they'd be scouting for Barcelona.

Plenty of players are incredibly talented and seem to have a solid mentality, but it just doesn't happen.

He looks good to me, deserves game time and a chance, I'd certainly sign him onto a secure contract. Despite that, it's still far more likely than not that he'll end up below the Championship.

Mark my words……next Tony Currie….unless his knees let him down

 

[Bl4desutd]

Mark my words……next Tony Currie….unless his knees let him down

What’s so funny about that ?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

As I've said on numerous other threads and been mocked for, I see us ending this season with Peck and Arblaster as our engine room!!

Peck will be this season's Doyle.

 

[Bergen Blade]

In Brazil it’s generally 2 3 5 6.

It all stems from the old 2-3-5 formation which was
2 - 3
4 - 5 - 6
7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11

5 dropped back in first with the advent of offside; then 4 or 6 when the game moved to a back four.

There’s a wealth of information online if you’re interested :-D

Yes, I'm aware that's where it stems from, but the specific reason for number 4 or number 6 dropping back is what I'd like confirmed. I have Jonathan Wilson's book Inverting the Pyramid, and I may have a look there later. There is some logic in that either a right footed number 4, or the left footed number 6 dropped back to make a full back four.

 

[cooperblade]

Talking of coaching staff, have we replaced Keith Andrews? Or are we just sticking with the one assistant now.

Yeah, Michael Collins is moving up from the U21s to replace him.

 

[Melbourne Blade]

I thought the double pivot suited a 3 at the back formation? Usually wingbacks are attack focussed (Eg Enda/George) so one of the "pivot' midfielders (Eg Norwood) would drop back to support defence and build an attack once possession regained.

Now the game is played at such an alarming pace, old formations are almost irrelevant. We saw Kane drop way deep in the euros as a (bad) example and he's supposed to be an old school 9

 

[EddieColquhoun]

Maybe instead of shipping young uns out, hire specialist defense, midfield and attacking coaches to develop them. It worked with Jack and Mcall

We had a specialist defense coach last season.

 

[Trigger Blade]

'Double pivot' can get in the bin, along with 'low block' and 'between the lines' amongst others.

Football is a simple game that people always seem to want to make more complicated.

A ‘double pivot’ helps ‘play through the thirds’

My niece’s son has started playing for a team, he’s eight. I asked him what position he plays and he said “false number 9”…..

 

[Antarctic Monkey]

'Double pivot' can get in the bin, along with 'low block' and 'between the lines' amongst others.

Football is a simple game that people always seem to want to make more complicated.

Good in the transition = counter attack
Low block = sitting deep
Breaking the lines = can skin a man

All stupid millennial dribble...

 

[Le Cynique]

This tactics malarkey is a load of old flannel. What they really need to be doing is enjoying themselves, but enjoying it by being disciplined.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Peck has come back from his end of season problem looking in great shape ,likes a bit of niggle to ,which is a good thing