Sydie Peck

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As a Championship club. We're going to find it difficult to place our untried, untested youngsters at League One clubs.
 

It all depends on who we bring in/who leaves.

I’d certainly be considering if we need Dozell as 2/3 choice. Does it block a pathway? Is he really x amount better than some of the youngsters, etc.
 
S64 Blade said:
It all depends on who we bring in/who leaves.

I’d certainly be considering if we need Dozell as 2/3 choice. Does it block a pathway? Is he really x amount better than some of the youngsters, etc.
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It’s a difficult choice for a manager who faces the sack if we start slowly. Dozell is likely a squad player, but he has experience at Championship level. So our own kids need to show sufficient promise to offset that experience and it’s a genuinely big ask. Arblaster was deemed L1 level this time last year…

Maybe it shows the case for a DoF to guide these awkward decisions?
 
Let's say Souza goes (seems to have gained some traction today), barring any new signings we've got Peck and Arblaster for that double pivot.

Having Dozzell will be useful if either one gets injured or Peck doesn't quite do enough to step up, so definitely sign him, even both Peck and Arblaster could benefit from Dozzell being here.
 
loyalblade95 said:
Let's say Souza goes (seems to have gained some traction today), barring any new signings we've got Peck and Arblaster for that double pivot.

Having Dozzell will be useful if either one gets injured or Peck doesn't quite do enough to step up, so definitely sign him, even both Peck and Arblaster could benefit from Dozzell being here.
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Yeah I am fully aware Arblaster will blow hot and cold at this stage and he's well ahead of the others. The idea that a bunch of them are ready now and forever is very unlikely
 
1987 said:
Thought he looked really good again yesterday.

I hope he's in Wilders plans for league minutes this season. Looks good enough and mature enough to take them.
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I said this yesterday too.
I'd like him in and around the 1st team to get 10-15mins here and there. Better to be here than at a League 1 club IMO.
 
loyalblade95 said:
Let's say Souza goes (seems to have gained some traction today), barring any new signings we've got Peck and Arblaster for that double pivot.

Having Dozzell will be useful if either one gets injured or Peck doesn't quite do enough to step up, so definitely sign him, even both Peck and Arblaster could benefit from Dozzell being here.
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What is a double pivot please?
 
loyalblade95 said:
Let's say Souza goes (seems to have gained some traction today), barring any new signings we've got Peck and Arblaster for that double pivot.

Having Dozzell will be useful if either one gets injured or Peck doesn't quite do enough to step up, so definitely sign him, even both Peck and Arblaster could benefit from Dozzell being here.
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If Souza goes and we have no money, Dozzell is fine as a backup for experience but other than experience he's got little to offer. If Souza stays and we're blocking Peck's path into the team it should be with someone with experience and quality, rather than someone experienced but worse.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
If Souza goes and we have no money, Dozzell is fine as a backup for experience but other than experience he's got little to offer. If Souza stays and we're blocking Peck's path into the team it should be with someone with experience and quality, rather than someone experienced but worse.
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Too many people assuming that Peck is now a Championship level player. Thousands of kids have impressive minutes in friendlies and end up in non league.

Dozzell has proven himself at this level, Peck hasn't even begun to do so yet. The chance of Peck being a better player than Dozzell this season or in the future are still incredibly slim.
 

mattbianco1 said:
Finally. I've been too embarrassed to ask
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When I were a lad (I’m 40) a 4-4-2 would consist of 2 wingers and 2 central midfielders, one of which would push on and the other sit back. When one was knackered, the other would push forward. Sounds similar but a more modern trendy term for it?

Just while we’re at it, can someone tell me what it means to play ‘as a ten’ or ‘as a nine’? Once again, when I were a lad, a 4-4-2 just meant two up top.
 
Birdwell Blade said:
When I were a lad (I’m 40) a 4-4-2 would consist of 2 wingers and 2 central midfielders, one of which would push on and the other sit back. When one was knackered, the other would push forward. Sounds similar but a more modern trendy term for it?

Just while we’re at it, can someone tell me what it means to play ‘as a ten’ or ‘as a nine’? Once again, when I were a lad, a 4-4-2 just meant two up top.
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A 4-4-2 contains two central midfielders that both normally operate box to box, or as number eights. As you said, if one drops, the other goes.

A double pivot normally describes a withdrawn midfield pairing with another central attacking midfielder in front, two sixes and a ten, usually in a 4-2-3-1. Coutts and Fleck were a double pivot with Duffy on front.
 
Birdwell Blade said:
When I were a lad (I’m 40) a 4-4-2 would consist of 2 wingers and 2 central midfielders, one of which would push on and the other sit back. When one was knackered, the other would push forward. Sounds similar but a more modern trendy term for it?

Just while we’re at it, can someone tell me what it means to play ‘as a ten’ or ‘as a nine’? Once again, when I were a lad, a 4-4-2 just meant two up top.
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A ‘9’ is an out and out centre forward, plays on the last defender and rarely drops back to fetch the ball.

A ‘10’ plays just behind the centre forward in an effort to play in between midfield and attack and link the two. In theory it’s quite hard to defend a ‘10’ because they play in the gap where no one picks up.

There’s also a ‘6’ nowadays used quite often. It’s a defensive midfielder in old money, sits in front of the defence and wants the ball off the defenders as well as providing a screen when defending. Like Norwood in his pomp for us.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
If Souza goes and we have no money, Dozzell is fine as a backup for experience but other than experience he's got little to offer. If Souza stays and we're blocking Peck's path into the team it should be with someone with experience and quality, rather than someone experienced but worse.
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I thought Peck was more of an attacking than a defensive midfielder?
Or am I confusing him with someone else?
 
AWetFlannel said:
Too many people assuming that Peck is now a Championship level player. Thousands of kids have impressive minutes in friendlies and end up in non league.

Dozzell has proven himself at this level, Peck hasn't even begun to do so yet. The chance of Peck being a better player than Dozzell this season or in the future are still incredibly slim.
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Peck was literally better than Dozzell yesterday, it's not so much Peck looking good in friendlies but Dozzell looking sub-Rotherham level that's the concern of signing him, he's proven, but proven to be mediocre at best.

Uganda Blade said:
I thought Peck was more of an attacking than a defensive midfielder?
Or am I confusing him with someone else?
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He's played in one of the two deep midfield spots in every friendly so far.
 
Ginger Gnome said:
Peck was literally better than Dozzell yesterday, it's not so much Peck looking good in friendlies but Dozzell looking sub-Rotherham level that's the concern of signing him, he's proven, but proven to be mediocre at best.
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Dozzell has played well in all the other friendlies, less so against Rotherham. We also have his 100 odd games against Championship opposite to go on, and a bit in league 1.

Peck has played 11 games for Oldham in non league, and about 10mins in a PL game where he didn't touch the ball. He looked brighter than Dozzell against Rotherham for 15 minutes in a friendly.

We've had loads of kids look better than senior pros for short spells, we know it doesn't guarantee consistency. Peck has looked good, so deserves to keep getting chances. We all hope for the best, but should appreciate the odds aren't on him being a top Championship player.
 
AWetFlannel said:
Dozzell has played well in all the other friendlies, less so against Rotherham. We also have his 100 odd games against Championship opposite to go on, and a bit in league 1.

Peck has played 11 games for Oldham in non league, and about 10mins in a PL game where he didn't touch the ball. He looked brighter than Dozzell against Rotherham for 15 minutes in a friendly.

We've had loads of kids look better than senior pros for short spells, we know it doesn't guarantee consistency. Peck has looked good, so deserves to keep getting chances. We all hope for the best, but should appreciate the odds aren't on him being a top Championship player.
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Serious question when do kids stop being kids? appreciate clubs remit will be straight back to the promised land i would like to see us use some of the kids get them involved now serves 2 purposes more game time and hopefully increased offers should other clubs come sniffing.

Or all we all a bit obsessed with new signings? I fully appreciate some may not be good enough but if really like to see how Peck and Marsh get a run of games and Slimane see how he gets on in the championship.
 
Maybe instead of shipping young uns out, hire specialist defense, midfield and attacking coaches to develop them. It worked with Jack and Mcall
 

AWetFlannel said:
Too many people assuming that Peck is now a Championship level player. Thousands of kids have impressive minutes in friendlies and end up in non league.

Dozzell has proven himself at this level, Peck hasn't even begun to do so yet. The chance of Peck being a better player than Dozzell this season or in the future are still incredibly slim.
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Totally agree. Sizzle got his big move to Spurs in 93, no guarantees Peck gets near that level
 
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