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I was opposed to Wilder returning on the whole. I thought he'd achieved as much as he was going to at Bramall Lane and it was time for a new direction. That was supposed to happen when he left in the summer. But as we know the replacement strategy was a shambles. Not just the appointment of Selles, but the recruitment strategy. If you could even call it a strategy. However, if there is anyone who can dig us out of the hole we're currently in it's Wilder. Another management change would put us deeper in the relegation mire in my opinion. I believe Wilder can get us out of it. That has to be the goal for this season. Championship survival.
 

I think we might go down anyway, but that'd be 2010/11 revisited. Our problems are baked in and Harry Potter isn't radically improving us.
 
I was ambivalent about Wilder returning, and think he is making a mess of it, said it before that he has no tactical nous and seems blind to what many can see. But we might as well stick with him, even though I am beginning to lose faith in him, but not sure who could do anything with the mediocre squad we currently have have.

I wonder if in the circle of football we are on the slope downward, following others who have made it to the PL and then sunk, see Barnsley, Bradford, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Bolton, Charlton etc. I see no sign that we can turn it round, Wilder says the same garbage after every game, bits and pieces, we were in the game, must do better, we need to do this we need to do that. Plus his team selection and substitutions are often bizarre. He is clearly hanging on for January, I just hope we are within 6 points of the 4th from bottom by then, more than that I think it’s too much for the duds in this squad.
 
The Survival ship has set sail, this current bunch is a relegation squad and we would need 6 or 7 Championship quality players to come in as immediate starters during the window and that is just not doable in a January window.

As for Wilder he is here until next Autumn at least… however if we aren’t pushing Auto’s in League one come end of September he will lose most of the fans support
 
On current showing we will not survive.

Just look at our forward choices.
Campbell. A confidence player with NO confidence at the moment.
Cannon. Who runs about.............. a bit. That's all.
Ings. Last minute panic buy. Hasn't scored for two seasons.
One. At this level, for the time being, just doesn't have it.
We've got a set of forwards who NEVER look like scoring.

Midfield. Peck. Needs players around him to take the weight off. He can't do it alone. Hamer. Injured. Arblaster. Injured. Soumari. Finding his feet. O Hare. About the only one pulling his weight at the moment. Brookes. Good in patches but not consistent enough.

Defence. Let's not go there!!!!!!!

No wonder we are where we are. Unless there's an influx of at least six GOOD championship standard players in January, we are FUCKED.
 
Survival from what? After a very long time going down the Lane I am unsure what we are surviving? A season in the Championship may be, is that worth surviving? Good football to watch is what i am after and we are not anywhere near it at the moment. So, drop down a division and we may be able to match the opposition and I may get a good game of football, something to watch, nothing more.
 
Harry's Game said:
The Survival ship has set sail, this current bunch is a relegation squad and we would need 6 or 7 Championship quality players to come in as immediate starters during the window and that is just not doable in a January window.

As for Wilder he is here until next Autumn at least… however if we aren’t pushing Auto’s in League one come end of September he will lose most of the fans support
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Tnf I don't think wilder will see season out..owners will panic again and get another type selles in.thats if they can afford to.
 
Last three matches.

United have to score three a game just to draw.
The forwards must be loving the way the midfield/defence/GK are
currently performing.

A block of clean sheets won't do any harm, even if United fail to score.

Get some confidence back, if impossible, try at least CW/AK to rectify.
 
Toto said:
Survival from what? After a very long time going down the Lane I am unsure what we are surviving? A season in the Championship may be, is that worth surviving? Good football to watch is what i am after and we are not anywhere near it at the moment. So, drop down a division and we may be able to match the opposition and I may get a good game of football, something to watch, nothing more.
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Relegation from the Championship hasn't been catastrophic for Birmingham City as to say, it has for Luton Town.
No one wants a relegation, but as many say, sometimes that's what is required to start again.
 
AdamSufc1997 said:
We’re already down. The fact Norwich and Southampton are down here also is very worrying.
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Harry's Game said:
The Survival ship has set sail, this current bunch is a relegation squad and we would need 6 or 7 Championship quality players to come in as immediate starters during the window and that is just not doable in a January window.

As for Wilder he is here until next Autumn at least… however if we aren’t pushing Auto’s in League one come end of September he will lose most of the fans support
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Why is everyone giving up on survival in November?

We're not "already down", and we shouldn't be talking about League One next season, as if it's an accepted fact that that's where we'll be.

Yes, things look bleak at the moment, but there's a long way to go yet, and throwing in the towel at this early stage, is ridiculous.

This defeatist attitude isn't going to help anyone. We need to buck up, grit our teeth and show some steel. It's bad enough some of the players seem to be lacking a backbone, the last thing we need is supporters joining them. If we give up, what hope is there? Man up, for Pete's sake!
 
Toto said:
Survival from what? After a very long time going down the Lane I am unsure what we are surviving? A season in the Championship may be, is that worth surviving? Good football to watch is what i am after and we are not anywhere near it at the moment. So, drop down a division and we may be able to match the opposition and I may get a good game of football, something to watch, nothing more.
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Wtf?!

This is like someone who lives in a decent, low-crime, area, observing their neighbours' fancy Christmas lights and saying: "I'm a bit skint at the moment, so I can't afford Christmas lights as fancy as my neighbours, so instead of looking for ways to increase my income and make myself more comfortable, I'm just going to give up, and move to a crime-ridden, rat-infested area, where my Christmas lights will be less crappy than my neighbours. I'll keep getting burgled, mugged, and having my car trashed or stolen, and I'll spend all day and night worrying that my kids won't come home from school in one piece, but at least nobody on the shit hole street I've decided to move to, will have fancier Christmas lights than me!"

For the avoidance of doubt, just in case anyone's struggling with the simile, I'm saying that the Championship is a decent, if not spectacular league, whereas League One is a rat-infested shit hole that only a complete loser would actively want us to get relegated to, regardless of whether other Championship clubs have got 'brighter lights' than us, at the moment.

As I said in my previous post - don't give up; man up!
 
We need to be watching Oxford and Portsmouths results. Blackburn are bad enough to collapse as well.

It’s generally looking pretty bleak with a toxic mixture of lazy, dumb and rubbish footballers
 
UTB Blade said:
Wtf?!

This is like someone who lives in a decent, low-crime, area, observing their neighbours' fancy Christmas lights and saying: "I'm a bit skint at the moment, so I can't afford Christmas lights as fancy as my neighbours, so instead of looking for ways to increase my income and make myself more comfortable, I'm just going to give up, and move to a crime-ridden, rat-infested area, where my Christmas lights will be less crappy than my neighbours. I'll keep getting burgled, mugged, and having my car trashed or stolen, and I'll spend all day and night worrying that my kids won't come home from school in one piece, but at least nobody on the shit hole street I've decided to move to, will have fancier Christmas lights than me!"

For the avoidance of doubt, just in case anyone's struggling with the simile, I'm saying that the Championship is a decent, if not spectacular league, whereas League One is a rat-infested shit hole that only a complete loser would actively want us to get relegated to, regardless of whether other Championship clubs have got 'brighter lights' than us, at the moment.

As I said in my previous post - don't give up; man up!
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Probably like most I thought we were going to be a Premiership team but alas we fucked it up. So, do we despair when we get beaten in this division OR do we respect that we are not promotion challenges and get on with it? I don't believe in Christmas by the way!
UTB Blade said:
Wtf?!

This is like someone who lives in a decent, low-crime, area, observing their neighbours' fancy Christmas lights and saying: "I'm a bit skint at the moment, so I can't afford Christmas lights as fancy as my neighbours, so instead of looking for ways to increase my income and make myself more comfortable, I'm just going to give up, and move to a crime-ridden, rat-infested area, where my Christmas lights will be less crappy than my neighbours. I'll keep getting burgled, mugged, and having my car trashed or stolen, and I'll spend all day and night worrying that my kids won't come home from school in one piece, but at least nobody on the shit hole street I've decided to move to, will have fancier Christmas lights than me!"

For the avoidance of doubt, just in case anyone's struggling with the simile, I'm saying that the Championship is a decent, if not spectacular league, whereas League One is a rat-infested shit hole that only a complete loser would actively want us to get relegated to, regardless of whether other Championship clubs have got 'brighter lights' than us, at the moment.

As I said in my previous post - don't give up; man up!
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UTB Blade said:
Why is everyone giving up on survival in November?

We're not "already down", and we shouldn't be talking about League One next season, as if it's an accepted fact that that's where we'll be.

Yes, things look bleak at the moment, but there's a long way to go yet, and throwing in the towel at this early stage, is ridiculous.

This defeatist attitude isn't going to help anyone. We need to buck up, grit our teeth and show some steel. It's bad enough some of the players seem to be lacking a backbone, the last thing we need is supporters joining them. If we give up, what hope is there? Man up, for Pete's sake!
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Of course we’re not already down, but can you see this bunch of no hopers scraping enough wins together to stay up?

We lost 10 games last season, we’ve lost 11 already this season.

As much as people are convincing themselves we have a ‘decent squad’, we really haven’t. It’s probably top 5 in wage bill but bottom 5 in terms of quality. It’s a massive achievement to employ so many players on good wages and still be as shit as we are.
 

Houston_Blade said:
Of course we’re not already down, but can you see this bunch of no hopers scraping enough wins together to stay up?

We lost 10 games last season, we’ve lost 11 already this season.

As much as people are convincing themselves we have a ‘decent squad’, we really haven’t. It’s probably top 5 in wage bill but bottom 5 in terms of quality. It’s a massive achievement to employ so many players on good wages and still be as shit as we are.
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I think the squad's pretty terrible, to be completely frank, and I agree with you that it's difficult to see them suddenly clicking and getting a load of wins - that's why I said things look bleak, atm.

But I still don't see that as a reason to give up and throw the towel in, as early as November.

There's a lot of the season left, and we have a couple of players to come back from injury, who should make a positive difference all being well, and we might manage to recruit a couple of decent loans in the JTW.

Giving up at this stage doesn't help anyone, imo. As I said in my previous post, it's bad enough that some of the players have no backbone, the worst thing we, as fans, can do is join them in their spinelessness. The weaker they are, the stronger we need to be, because that's all we can do to help. Who knows whether our being stronger will make any difference, but it's got to be worth a try.

It's always better to go down swinging, knowing you've given it all you've got, than go down with a whimper, knowing you wimped out.
 
I didn't want CW back a second time, walking out of Wembley stadium back in May with my dad, I told him they would get rid. For him to come back a third time was just madness. But I think we can still get out of this mess and avoid relegation, though the next few months are huge.
 
I don’t think it is entirely defeatist to point out that, yes. It is very much possible we will stay up. However looking at the squad and performances it is not at all probable.
 
We are in a relegation fight for sure.
But, there are 3 teams above us who we are in a games worth of points pulling up to.

There is a lot to sort out and I've not got Blades sunglasses on, but it is far from a done deal.
 
Greasy Chap Butty said:
We are in a relegation fight for sure.
But, there are 3 teams above us who we are in a games worth of points pulling up to.

There is a lot to sort out and I've not got Blades sunglasses on, but it is far from a done deal.
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I said to my grandson after the match on Saturday.

At the start of the season thought we’d bee involved in a play-off battle.
However after such a bad start, feared our season would be over with us doing a Stoke/ Preston and finishing mid table with nothing to play for.

Told him it’s looking like we could be in a relegation battle……at least it means every game is meaningful….could be an exciting season.
Let’s not forget we have Hamer and Arblaster to come back….and due to being out so long….neither are likely to be sold in Jan.
 
His record in both our previous relegation struggles he's overseen with us doesn't give me much hope.

If, and it's a big if, he can stop deflecting and blaming the previous manager, the players and the summer recruitment and instead knuckle down, focus on his job as any good coach and manager should do and work on getting the best out of the players at his disposal, then we have a chance. That needs to happen soon though.
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Sheffsteel said:
I said to my grandson after the match on Saturday.

At the start of the season thought we’d bee involved in a play-off battle.
However after such a bad start, feared our season would be over with us doing a Stoke/ Preston and finishing mid table with nothing to play for.

Told him it’s looking like we could be in a relegation battle……at least it means every game is meaningful….could be an exciting season.
Let’s not forget we have Hamer and Arblaster to come back….and due to being out so long….neither are likely to be sold in Jan.
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I reckon we'll sell Hamer in January to raise money to loan more crap
 
I am not giving up and I think we will stay up and I will keep supporting throughout.

However, with this squad, would it be better to get relegated?

I have seen loads of people saying we should sell Matos, Mcguiness, ings, Cannon in January, but in reality, how many of our current squad are sellable!? we will have given then half decent wages because we would have been thinking of being at the top end of the league.

Getting relegated might allow us to ship them on and rebuild from scratch.
 
UTB Blade said:
I think the squad's pretty terrible, to be completely frank, and I agree with you that it's difficult to see them suddenly clicking and getting a load of wins - that's why I said things look bleak, atm.

But I still don't see that as a reason to give up and throw the towel in, as early as November.

There's a lot of the season left, and we have a couple of players to come back from injury, who should make a positive difference all being well, and we might manage to recruit a couple of decent loans in the JTW.

Giving up at this stage doesn't help anyone, imo. As I said in my previous post, it's bad enough that some of the players have no backbone, the worst thing we, as fans, can do is join them in their spinelessness. The weaker they are, the stronger we need to be, because that's all we can do to help. Who knows whether our being stronger will make any difference, but it's got to be worth a try.

It's always better to go down swinging, knowing you've given it all you've got, than go down with a whimper, knowing you wimped out.
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What difference does it make if fans think we’re down or not? We can’t defend and score goals on behalf of the team.
 

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