Steve Cooper

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SUFCinks said:
I think Cooper can be trusted more with money for signings but otherwise I would agree. I don’t see cooper being much of an improvement. I would happily welcome a new manager as i don’t rate Wilder since his first stint and wasn’t a fan of the re-appointment but Cooper is a bit of a sideways step IMO.

Hasenhuttl (if he hadn’t of gone to Wolfsburg) would be a better calibre of manager. I’ve got no idea who's available though ATM.
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Hopefully their advisors will have noted the success of Birmingham and steer well clear of such big name gaffes. The like of Gerrard, Lampard and Neil Collins 😀.
 



Wilder's only in his 50s so I wouldn't call him 'yesterday's man'. He isn't a 'pisshead' either as someone else said. He's a competant manager with an excellent record of success and he knows and loves the club. I'd be very happy for him to be in charge next season - more so than if we sacked him and brought in Cooper or anyone else.
 
Dkc said:
Wilder's only in his 50s so I wouldn't call him 'yesterday's man'. He isn't a 'pisshead' either as someone else said. He's a competant manager with an excellent record of success and he knows and loves the club. I'd be very happy for him to be in charge next season - more so than if we sacked him and brought in Cooper or anyone else.
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I know a pisshead when I see one so I do.
 
Dkc said:
Wilder's only in his 50s so I wouldn't call him 'yesterday's man'. He isn't a 'pisshead' either as someone else said. He's a competant manager with an excellent record of success and he knows and loves the club. I'd be very happy for him to be in charge next season - more so than if we sacked him and brought in Cooper or anyone else.
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I just think the club is in need of a massive refresh and it feels like we're trying to catch the success of the Wilder years and it just doesn't seem to be working. I'm in no way disappointed if we go in to next season with Wilder and if he stays then fine but I would just like to see a change throughout the club. New owners, new manager, fresh players would be nice albeit risky.

I'd also quite like Wilders legacy at the club to be a fond one and I fear if he doesn't deliver next season his past successes will be completely forgotten by some.
 
Flumps said:
I would welcome Cooper but let's be honest. Brighton are Prem, he wants that. If that goes tits up Burnley are winning all the popularity votes and are now without manager.

We're the last resort, again, I'd welcome him but I doubt we're the first choice.
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If he fancies a big challenge, we're his best bet
 
Flumps said:
it feels like we're trying to catch the success of the Wilder years and it just doesn't seem to be working.
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Pep or Klopp would have struggled to keep us up if they'd inherited that squad. We need to see how we get on this coming season.

Wasn't it Benjamin Bloom who did / cited research showing that managerial stability is key to getting promotion from the Championship? Clubs that sack their manager every season tend not to finish in the top two.

If we're in contention next season I'd stick with CW even if we don't go up. He isn't perfect, but I can think of no-one better if we want some stability.
 
Flumps said:
I just think the club is in need of a massive refresh and it feels like we're trying to catch the success of the Wilder years and it just doesn't seem to be working. I'm in no way disappointed if we go in to next season with Wilder and if he stays then fine but I would just like to see a change throughout the club. New owners, new manager, fresh players would be nice albeit risky.

I'd also quite like Wilders legacy at the club to be a fond one and I fear if he doesn't deliver next season his past successes will be completely forgotten by some.
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He came in when no one else wanted us and did exactly what we thought would happen and us go down with a whimper.

But writing on the wall he’s going now so we need to make sure we recruit well.
 
I think Cooper is a decent manager whose stock is still high. Reckon he may still get a Prem job.

Probably BS but as others have said, things get leaked for a reason. If I am sat here now asking who I would rather have as manager it would be Cooper everytime over Wilder at the current time - 5 years ago I would have laughed at myself for typing that but sadly Wilder showed me absolutely nothing in terms of style. tactics, organisation, signings and more that that - motivation (one of his so called skills) that he can get us moving. I hope I am wrong but everyone so convinvced Wilder is the man to turn it around are basing it on what he did a long time ago. If he was anyone else but Wilder with his past/links, people would have asked him to have been removed end of the season or before. Anyone saying different is kididng themselves.

If and a big if we get took over, Wilder will not be here long I do not expect. He only came back because of Abdullah and his tiny black book of managers. Noone else would have touched him after his recent failures x 3.

Those that suggest he would get till Xmas I would be surprised - in fact I would say if we got took over, I would expect wholesale changes. This what makes the whole plan under Abdullah ridiculous - Wilder in, him running everything and brining in his old boys network of Allen and Hoyland.

A takeover and you would expect many of above to be moved on quite quickly would you not?

What we need is a proper structure (whether it;'s this chap being rumoured to be the technical director bloke or someone akin to that - that can oversee a proper plan) and not just who Wilder (or anyone else) knows from before.

I would love Wilder to get us moving in the right direction but the takeover (the big if as I say) would probably be the writing on the wall for him as manager here and maybe his career (at the top level).
 
I didn’t want Wilder back but I think it would be a massive mistake to get rid of him now.
Last year was a write-off no matter who we got in once Hecky was sacked as the squad was simply not good enough, so I don’t attach any blame to Wilder for the relegation.
As a result I will judge him on what happens from now, and I think as it looks like there will be so many changes at the club we do need some continuity at some level otherwise it could be a mess.
I do agree with CW on the need to recruit the right characters that fit the clubs culture so hopefully he is allowed to influence that.
It will be interesting how he adapts to not having as much say on things as before, that’s when we will truly find out if he’s learned from his past mistakes.
 
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I would take Cooper on the basis that he's proved he's a decent manager and also because he'd (hopefully) get rid of 3-5-fucking-2.

EDIT: having googled it (you're welcome Sundar) apparently he prefers 3-4-1-2 😂 but it's a start
 
Bladezz said:
Seems like the new chairman will sack Wilder as soon as he is in charge.

Would prefer someone much better than Cooper. He got promoted via playoffs and spent millions.

Wilder has done this and so has Hecky to be fair too him.

Seems like the writing is on the wall that there will be a change. Just hope we push the boat fully out if we do.
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He got promoted via the play offs cos he took over in October when they were bottom of the league

I'd love a manager who's actually won a fucking play off 🤣
 



I'd be very disappointed if Wilder didn't get to do the rebuild and have a crack at it next season - he's never had this potential situation of high budget at championship level. He'd do well with it

But if he's going then Cooper is the outstanding choice
 
Slim Man said:
He got promoted via the play offs cos he took over in October when they were bottom of the league

I'd love a manager who's actually won a fucking play off 🤣
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Yeah because he played us 🤣

I don’t think anyone can make us win a playoff at Wembley!
 
Wilder will come back to rescue us when we go down to the National League.
 
Bladezz said:
Yeah because he played us 🤣

I don’t think anyone can make us win a playoff at Wembley!
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By the damn law of averages, we have to. At least we've now scored at Wembley (thanks Baxter, thanks Scougall) so that sets us up nicely for our next attempt in a play off final...
 
Hamandcheese said:
- he's never had this potential situation of high budget at championship level. He'd do well with it

But if he's going then Cooper is the outstanding choice
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If PA doesn’t sell I think CW may be the man, his best times (us, Oxford, Northampton etc) are when he builds a squad with little money to create a team greater than the sum of its parts

But when given players (Watford,boro, us last yr) to work with, or given budget (us) he’s fucked up

Any new owner sat in BDTBL with a cheque book, will take a glance at Wilder, double take at ‘brewdog’ and ride him outta town

Coopers a good call, would do a job
 
It would be a huge mistake for any new owner to go into a club, rip everything up and start again from scratch.

Surely any sensible/ intelligent owner would explain to the current manager that he's on trial and must start well.
Then the new owners can't lose, start poorly and they get to change the manager with the fans backing.
Start well challenging for promotion, then they need to wait before making changes.

If they instantly change, then some fans will be thinking Birmingham City.
You can bet most on here would then be saying "why get rid of Wilder, lets bring him back"
and "these owners are clueless, stupid Yanks with big ideas, why didn't they wait to see what Wilder could do before making changes".
 
Sheffsteel said:
It would be a huge mistake for any new owner to go into a club, rip everything up and start again from scratch.

Surely any sensible/ intelligent owner would explain to the current manager that he's on trial and must start well.
Then the new owners can't lose, start poorly and they get to change the manager with the fans backing.
Start well challenging for promotion, then they need to wait before making changes.

If they instantly change, then some fans will be thinking Birmingham City.
You can bet most on here would then be saying "why get rid of Wilder, lets bring him back"
and "these owners are clueless, stupid Yanks with big ideas, why didn't they wait to see what Wilder could do before making changes".
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Take a wrecking ball to something you just end up with a pile of rubble .
 
steve26272 said:
If PA doesn’t sell I think CW may be the man, his best times (us, Oxford, Northampton etc) are when he builds a squad with little money to create a team greater than the sum of its parts

But when given players (Watford,boro, us last yr) to work with, or given budget (us) he’s fucked up

Any new owner sat in BDTBL with a cheque book, will take a glance at Wilder, double take at ‘brewdog’ and ride him outta town

Coopers a good call, would do a job
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I'm pro Wilder but that's a fair comment.
Wilder is like Warnock, give him nothing (basic players) and he's shown he's pretty good.
However give them both money to buy higher skilled tried and tested players and both aren't as good.

For me it's more about principle. Even if I don't rate or didn't even like a manager I'd at least give them a chance to prove themselves.
Also it's good from a strategic morale point of view. Imagine bringing in a top name manager and instantly struggling.
The comments on here would be horrendous and even after spending loads of money the new owners would be on an instant loser
facing heavy criticism and insults from many of our fans on here.
 



Sheffsteel said:
It would be a huge mistake for any new owner to go into a club, rip everything up and start again from scratch.

Surely any sensible/ intelligent owner would explain to the current manager that he's on trial and must start well.
Then the new owners can't lose, start poorly and they get to change the manager with the fans backing.
Start well challenging for promotion, then they need to wait before making changes.

If they instantly change, then some fans will be thinking Birmingham City.
You can bet most on here would then be saying "why get rid of Wilder, lets bring him back"
and "these owners are clueless, stupid Yanks with big ideas, why didn't they wait to see what Wilder could do before making changes".
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Any normal turnaround business, would pick a business that has failed dramatically, clear out the deadwood and old ideas and restructure.
Why hand £100m to a coach who thinks he can manage both the club and mega budgets, but with 2 disastrous relegations is a proven failure.
 
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