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I don't normally come on this part of the forum as it's mostly hearsay, duff rumours etc. BUT I overheard the Chairman of the Senior Blades (Brian) on the phone after the game and Everton are interested in Stefan.

Make of that what you will. I should think anybody would be interested in Stefan, Harry, Ryan, Murfs etc. And all football teams - even Man. U. sell if they think it's in there interests. If true, it depends on United, the contract and of course Stefan. Football is littered with players who couldn't resist a move and then sank without trace (Stephen Fletcher at Sunderland being just one example). Stefan in the PL at this stage of his career? Don't think so.
 

You are right Graf, after yesterday there will have been numerous clubs eying up our players and expect numerous scouts in the stands from now until the end of the season watching us. Brayford & Coady, (although they aren't "ours") Harry, Murphy, Scougs, Flynn and even Howard will all be catching the eye of Championship and Premiership clubs. Harry in particular who looked like John Terry and David Luiz rolled into one perfect package yesterday!
 
You are right Graf, after yesterday there will have been numerous clubs eying up our players and expect numerous scouts in the stands from now until the end of the season watching us. Brayford & Coady, (although they aren't "ours") Harry, Murphy, Scougs, Flynn and even Howard will all be catching the eye of Championship and Premiership clubs. Harry in particular who looked like John Terry and David Luiz rolled into one perfect package yesterday!
Yes agree with you there, I think this is Harry's last season with us unfortunately, he's just getting better and better.
 
Love how he and Collins have been allowed to go these marauding runs ,which becomes a great option for us ,imagine Weir allowing that ??
 
Yes agree with you there, I think this is Harry's last season with us unfortunately, he's just getting better and better.

I hope you're wrong Ross, but if Harry does leave then what we witnessed yesterday can only have added to his worth. The figures I've seen quoted fall between £4-6million, so do these televised performances add a further million? It certainly puts us in a strong position to bring in a healthy fee and use it to reinforce the defence. Bear in mind we have potential cover in Matt Hill and Terry Kennedy, I'm not suggesting we rely on either to take Harry's place but we aren't going to suddenly panic if Harry is sold. My hope is that Harry will see what Clough is trying to build and want to be part of this, but if not then I'd send Harry my best wishes and look to the future.
 
Hopefully now we don't "have" to sell anyone for financial reasons. Therefore the only way our talent should be leaving BDTBL is to progress their career at a higher ranked club, which i would never criticise.
 
Hopefully now we don't "have" to sell anyone for financial reasons. Therefore the only way our talent should be leaving BDTBL is to progress their career at a higher ranked club, which i would never criticise.

As I said in my previous post, I hope that's the case. All my life following the Blades we've gone weak at the knees once an offer is on the table, and even then we've sometimes accepted a figure lower than many of us thought a realistic valuation.

Let's hope your view reflects the 'new' United and it's view of how it's going to conduct itself in the transfer market.
 
I dont mind scouts eyeing up our players. It generally means they are playing well?

Reagrding Brayford & Coady.

Brayford needs to be playing regular football & he would get that here. He must know that he is a hero to our fans & i think hes the type of person that doe not just go for the money.

Coady. Is he 20? around that age he also needs to be playing regular first team football. Its unlikely Liverpool will offer him that. He has a big decision to make at the end of the season.. He knows the club, fans & what is expected here. Why go somewere else which could be an unknown? IMO it will either be us or another season at Liverpool next year. My money is on another seasons loan.
 
Steady on, steady on. No-one's going anywhere...apart from Wemberlee!
 
I hope you're wrong Ross, but if Harry does leave then what we witnessed yesterday can only have added to his worth. The figures I've seen quoted fall between £4-6million, so do these televised performances add a further million? It certainly puts us in a strong position to bring in a healthy fee and use it to reinforce the defence. Bear in mind we have potential cover in Matt Hill and Terry Kennedy, I'm not suggesting we rely on either to take Harry's place but we aren't going to suddenly panic if Harry is sold. My hope is that Harry will see what Clough is trying to build and want to be part of this, but if not then I'd send Harry my best wishes and look to the future.
If we got an offer of £6million then I personally think the club should take it, but I just hate these deals we do £2.5mill upfront then add on's adding up to £6mill. I trust Cloughie though if we are to sell a top player I'm sure his replacement will be another top player.
 
Given how when the Prince came on board, one of the mantra's was that we don't need to sell our best\young players, how would everyone react if one were to go?

We are in a position where we can potentially turn down bids, however, how far would you expect the board to go when it came to matching wages of the big boys in order to keep these players?

If say, Stoke came in for Maguire and offered him 20k a week for 3 years. Would you expect the board here to match that to keep him? Or, would you back the club in letting him go, as paying any player at this level 20k a week is a big no-no.
 
Given how when the Prince came on board, one of the mantra's was that we don't need to sell our best\young players, how would everyone react if one were to go?

We are in a position where we can potentially turn down bids, however, how far would you expect the board to go when it came to matching wages of the big boys in order to keep these players?

If say, Stoke came in for Maguire and offered him 20k a week for 3 years. Would you expect the board here to match that to keep him? Or, would you back the club in letting him go, as paying any player at this level 20k a week is a big no-no.

You are, of course, right SotonBlade. Paying any player that type of wage in this division would open us up to other player's agents requesting at least the same. So if Harry were to leave then I'd hope we'd select an accurate valuation of his talents and potential. He's shown he can not just cope with Premiership quality but also command them too, so a decent chunk of money please if that's what transpires.

Obviously, when we do get in the Prem everything changes, player's wages, admission prices, transfer fees, revised contracts for Clough and his staff etc, but for now we trust in Clough and the Prince to continue this wonderland we've stepped into.
 
Love how he and Collins have been allowed to go these marauding runs ,which becomes a great option for us ,imagine Weir allowing that ??

Yeah I do like those runs.

You do worry that they may lose the ball the though.
 

I don't think we will loose Scoogs next season, but I think as above Maguire could have put himself in the shop window.

We should look at Southampton, kept their best players in League one and Championship. If we are serious about our 5year premier league plan we need to be keeping our best players.
 
Gonna be an interesting one, this... The board always offered up the same reasoning when selling our best players that "you can't stand in their way" and our argument was usually that if they're under contract, of course we can. It comes down to a gamble - cash-in or keep their services. A gamble which we couldn't afford to lose, for the last few years.

I'm more than happy at what HRH has done for us so far - not wheeled in a pallet truck of gold bars but made us more competitive. If all it means is that we don't have our strings pulled by agents or tummies tickled by so-called bigger clubs any more then I'll be delighted.

I've got huge respect for the McCabes for what they've done with the club over the last decade but it's always irked me that the budget goalposts seem to move mid-season, when an offer comes in. If a budget is set, it should be up to the manager if he wants to sell a player, not the board. Dreamland, though!
 
Given how when the Prince came on board, one of the mantra's was that we don't need to sell our best\young players, how would everyone react if one were to go?

We are in a position where we can potentially turn down bids, however, how far would you expect the board to go when it came to matching wages of the big boys in order to keep these players?

If say, Stoke came in for Maguire and offered him 20k a week for 3 years. Would you expect the board here to match that to keep him? Or, would you back the club in letting him go, as paying any player at this level 20k a week is a big no-no.

If Stoke want to fork out £20K/week fair enough but make them give us £9M first so that they can pay that.

Not difficult but it has been in the past.
 
If we got an offer of £6million then I personally think the club should take it, but I just hate these deals we do £2.5mill upfront then add on's adding up to £6mill. I trust Cloughie though if we are to sell a top player I'm sure his replacement will be another top player.

If the likes of Luke Shaw are supposedly worth £35m+ then Harry is easily worth into eight figures/£10m+. He's been head and shoulders above everyone else in his position at this level for 3 seasons now, has England U-21 caps and during this cup run has had world class talent like Christian Benteke and Clint Dempsey comfortably tucked away in his back pocket; and he's still only 21.

We are under no pressure to sell and he doesn't want to leave (I hope anyway). If Stoke or Norwich or whoever were to come in for him then tell them £10m plus add ons, or do one. He is virtually irreplaceable.
 
If the likes of Luke Shaw are supposedly worth £35m+ then Harry is easily worth into eight figures/£10m+. He's been head and shoulders above everyone else in his position at this level for 3 seasons now, has England U-21 caps and during this cup run has had world class talent like Christian Benteke and Clint Dempsey comfortably tucked away in his back pocket; and he's still only 21.

We are under no pressure to sell and he doesn't want to leave (I hope anyway). If Stoke or Norwich or whoever were to come in for him then tell them £10m plus add ons, or do one. He is virtually irreplaceable.

I understand your assessment of Maguire Mack, but as good as his performances are, and have been for a good part of this season, I take a more trusting view of our manager's ability to handle situations that are meat and drink to any club with decent players.

Firstly, all this talk of Maguire being linked to Prem clubs tends to become contagious, the word spreads like wildfire and before anyone knows it we're letting go of Harry any time soon. It may well happen, I doubt the lad will want to spend too much time in this division when he can fast-track his career with an established Premiership club. I certainly think he could emulate someone like Dawson at Spurs, Harry has developed into a mature defender with good attacking instincts. There's nothing we can do if other clubs come calling, but in my book that's a positive, it says we're doing something right. It happens to the majority of clubs, whether they're Everton, Stoke, Southampton, or Newcastle, and even with the Prince on board there will be times when we are forced to confront the unthinkable.

I don't think it's wise to refer to someone like Clint Dempsey as world class. In his prime a good player, but not top drawer. I only mention this because it's not fair to Dempsey or Maguire. Harry has talent and potential, and I hope he proves to be a player who is worthy of the Premiership, but it's a circular discussion until he's had a couple of regular seasons at the top level. Which brings me back to what may or may not happen. I hope Maguire's got good people around him, that they'll advise him about what's best for him, and if he's receptive to this advice he'll have much to consider. We all want the best for this club, but players who attract attention have far more to consider than where we might be in three or four year's time. If anyone has read Coady's latest interviews in the Liverpool press he seems determined to make an impression there, so another player we might have to learn to live without.

The jewel in our crown in all of this is our manager. Just as his dad created teams with players who were regarded as ordinary, mediocre, or even suspect, Brian Clough was able to conjure up teams who played with desire, great skill, and with a tactical fluidity that brought them success on a grand scale. I'm not going to sink into the genetic possibilities of Nigel emulating his father, but he certainly seems to possess very similar footballing traits. Where Nigel and United will end up who knows? But I sense our manager is determined to build a club from the bottom up, with good foundations to support the first team.

Sorry this has turned into a lengthy response to your post Mack, once I began to consider your comments I added one point followed by another. If we are forced to sell Maguire then I hope we can get something close to the figure you quoted, although I doubt it. I recall the young player that Palace sold to Man Utd, Wilfred Zaha. I think he was sold for an initial £10million rising to £15million depending on the number of games played. The same press talk of the next big thing surrounded Zaha and he was touted as the future of the English game. Now he's on loan to Cardiff without a clue as to where he'll eventually play. The point I'm making is that Harry will need to think carefully if he's to avoid the same black holes that some young players seem attracted to, the grass is greener with all that this implies.

Good luck Harry, I hope you make good, positive career decisions, but think long and hard before you act, and don't let money be the deciding factor in whatever decision you arrive at. If you are determined to be a good to great centre half, listen to wise football heads, not to the money men.
 
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What ever we sell any of them for it should be the full amount or Fuck off. None of this 20% up front and the rest over 5 seasons rubbish.
Oh and if Scougall is off to Everton then its £5mil + Jags please or no deal
 
As disappointing as it always is to lose our better players, it should also be a source of pride that we can find/develop players on a consistent basis.

Now remind me of the last time Wendy did that.
 
Getting this thread back to it's Scougall roots, it surprises me why a major club, with their level of resources, didn't spend their small change on buying Stefan? It wouldn't have been a risk, surely that level of investment would have passed as jingly in their pockets? For the likes of SUFC, it's still very do-able, but as with all player purchases we have to ensure that we spend wisely.

Now we're told that 'big' clubs are looking at Scoogs, and unsurprisingly his valuation has shot up. Given the way he's adapted to this division he has to be worth far, far more than we paid for him, but that kind of loses the point. He's hear for a further three and a bit years, we're intent on moving forward, and all this talk of players being sold defeats the point of what moving forward should mean. We've been told that there will be significant investment during the summer, whether that's via transfer fees or wages offered. Why go to all that trouble if we sell players who are instrumental in attracting better players?

We already have a good team, but there's always room for improvement. So if I were you, I'd take much of this gossip as just that. Words on a page often amount to the sum total of zilch, so let Nigel and those who control the purse strings at United figure out ways of taking us forward. If that involves wheeling and dealing then so be it. Players come and players go, what matters is the division we're in and whether we are progressing.
 
I'd take much of this gossip as just that. Words on a page often amount to the sum total of zilch, so let Nigel and those who control the purse strings at United figure out ways of taking us forward.
Indeed. It's all so bloody deeply entrenched in us that we sell to the first bidder, it's difficult to believe anything else. Hopefully our crowned one can restore faith in such mythical beasts as "contracts" and "budgets".
 
Indeed. It's all so bloody deeply entrenched in us that we sell to the first bidder, it's difficult to believe anything else. Hopefully our crowned one can restore faith in such mythical beasts as "contracts" and "budgets".

That's right TonyAgana, we're like many supporters in that we're fatalistic and actually believe in the bollocks known as 'luck'.

I doubt 'luck' has much to do with any of this, maybe poor timing, oversight, lack of capability, but 'luck?!!?' Never heard such nonsense. Things change for a reason, not because the fairies look favourably upon us. I see there's a thread on here about the colour of shorts we should wear.......well as the peasants from Sheffield descend upon Wembley Way, they'll be selling clothes pegs, lucky heather, our heads held skywards asking the good lord to heap praise and good fortune upon us. I doubt the relevance of any of this, but if it gets you through etc.

As Clough has said, this is not a day out or a works excursion, it's what we do and we'll create our own luck, we'll impose ourselves on the gits and grind 'em into the ground. It will be a great experience, but let's make it one where we get our teeth stuck into 'em and let them see that we're not the walkover they seem to think we'll be.

We've a decent team, an even better tactician in our manager, and failing that we have the face of Chris Morgan. If ever a fizzhog was designed to instil fear into the opposition it was this one. UTB
 
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Getting this thread back to it's Scougall roots, it surprises me why a major club, with their level of resources, didn't spend their small change on buying Stefan? It wouldn't have been a risk, surely that level of investment would have passed as jingly in their pockets? For the likes of SUFC, it's still very do-able, but as with all player purchases we have to ensure that we spend wisely.

It's surely obvious that NC had weighed SS up while he was at Derby. Once again, Derby's loss is our gain.
 

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