Stadium Development

[JJBlade]

Just giving your post a bump here. I think it argues the point really well which is getting ignored by repeating we don't need it because we didn't sell out last season.

Cheers mate
The post will get slagged off soon when a certain few people see it

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

It's called progress, it's what's happening all over the world .........except in Sheffield of course.

Yeah?

Change our fucking red and white stripes to green and white hoops while you're at it.

Call me old fashioned and backwards if you want but fuck anybody who ever tries to change the identity of this football club that I love.

Shove your fucking rotated stadium up your fucking arse.

 

[SRA76]

Cheers mate
The post will get slagged off soon when a certain few people see it

I’m one of em I hope. And I repeat. Build the team before you extend the stadium. The rest will follow. No point in having a 40k seater stadium with 26/27k fans in it in championship. It’s dead money. Surely you can see that

 

[YES Blade]

I’m one of em I hope. And I repeat. Build the team before you extend the stadium. The rest will follow. No point in having a 40k seater stadium with 26/27k fans in it in championship. It’s dead money. Surely you can see that

The problem is that building the team is never ending!

We won’t ever reach a point where the team is good enough to allow us to spend little to no money in a few transfer windows and use that money on the stadium.

 

[stringjunior]

The problem is that building the team is never ending!

We won’t ever reach a point where the team is good enough to allow us to spend little to no money in a few transfer windows and use that money on the stadium.

I was just thinking exactly this. The team constantly evolves (for better or worse ) and the stadium needs to be fit for purpose when it's better.

 

[YES Blade]

Yeah?

Change our fucking red and white stripes to green and white hoops while you're at it.

Call me old fashioned and backwards if you want but fuck anybody who ever tries to change the identity of this football club that I love.

Shove your fucking rotated stadium up your fucking arse.

I assume you haven’t visited Bramall Lane since the early 90s then? The new Kop and John Street stands must’ve pissed you off no end!

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sponsorship is the big earner.

Companies wanting to be associated with Arsenal and Spurs are not going to be interested in United, it's an image thing.

These clubs have turnovers of £500 million - £600 million each year and even in a good year only about £200 million of it comes from tv and season ticket sales

They don't get that by flogging a dozen snot pies and four bottles of beer during half time because the catering staff can't be arsed

You’ll never read a JJ post where exaggeration doesn’t override accuracy.

Firstly the comparison with those two is ridiculous. Both longstanding PL sides who built their new grounds with large waiting lists for ST’s and billionaire backers. Oh, and London based.

Arsenal were effectively hog tied financially for a number of years after building the Emirates and despite income increasing to around a £100m pa over their neighbours, Spurs have over £1b of debt and are making huge losses every year.

Arsenal have never achieved turnover of £500m, let alone £600 while Spurs have achieved over £500m once. £560m for 22/23. The Spurs model is exceptional, NFL, AIA etc and will reap the benefits, football wise, will the debt affect their player spend like it did Arsenal?

Still, let’s play fast and loose with figures to try and hammer home the latest dig at United. It was ever thus.

 

[BladeInIreland]

Premier League money is eaten by Premier League wages.

New stadia are financed by other money.

It does if you sign a bunch on high wages and increase the current squads significantly. I'm talking about a season where we almost accept the relegation like Norwich.

Edit- I will add I am not talking about a whole stadium.

 

[SRA76]

The problem is that building the team is never ending!

We won’t ever reach a point where the team is good enough to allow us to spend little to no money in a few transfer windows and use that money on the stadium.

Yeh I get your point. But still convinced my way is still the right way so let’s all argue who’s right n wrong then all agree my way is correct

 

[S64 Blade]

Yeh I get your point. But still convinced my way is still the right way so let’s all argue who’s right n wrong then all agree my way is correct

It is the right way in theory, but it’s unlikely to nicely align that way.

 

[blade_ben]

I’m one of em I hope. And I repeat. Build the team before you extend the stadium. The rest will follow. No point in having a 40k seater stadium with 26/27k fans in it in championship. It’s dead money. Surely you can see that

No point having a restricted capacity whilst developing when demand is there either.

 

[MadDad38]

I assume you haven’t visited Bramall Lane since the early 90s then? The new Kop and John Street stands must’ve pissed you off no end!

Exactly.
I love BDTBL But I fail to see how rotating the stadium or even moving it completely changes the identity of Utd. Arsenal are still Arsenal. Spurs are still Spurs.

 

[YES Blade]

Exactly.
I love BDTBL But I fail to see how rotating the stadium or even moving it completely changes the identity of Utd. Arsenal are still Arsenal. Spurs are still Spurs.

Some people just don’t like change. I’ve no doubt a new stadium at the lane or at a new site would have a positive effect on the club.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Has the black paint been out again ?

 

[Tom Bott]

Premier League money is eaten by Premier League wages.

Wages don't count in fans fag packet accountancy though.

Income - PL - massive.

Expenditure - gerrit spent.

Overheads and wages - you've lost me there mate.

 

[jt64]

Getting the same old arguments about "well we don't sell out now so why bother doing anything" - I'll just reiterate what I've said before, when the only real available capacity outside of the BLUT is either single seats or shit views, it will put some people off. I wouldn't take anyone to see a game at BL if the only spots available if we're wanting to sit together have a fucking great pillar in the way of the goal. Just because there's a large percentage of people here who are happy to sit in a stand that wasn't fit for purpose 25 years ago because cheap and "atmosphere" should not assume that every potential fan thinks the same way.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Getting the same old arguments about "well we don't sell out now so why bother doing anything" - I'll just reiterate what I've said before, when the only real available capacity outside of the BLUT is either single seats or shit views, it will put some people off. I wouldn't take anyone to see a game at BL if the only spots available if we're wanting to sit together have a fucking great pillar in the way of the goal. Just because there's a large percentage of people here who are happy to sit in a stand that wasn't fit for purpose 25 years ago because cheap and "atmosphere" should not assume that every potential fan thinks the same way.

Spending money on the ground and then not paying transfer fees or suppliers.

Who are these people who are “happy” The ones who realise it’s a pipe dream at the minute?

 

[Tom Bott]

some people

So the club should invest tens of millions to make 'some' people happy.

Great plan for insolvency.

Though it's someone else's money we wish to see spent.

Imagine the outrage on the forum if the club spent tens of millions on the ground and ticket prices went up by £10/game to cover the costs.

 

[jt64]

So the club should invest tens of millions to make 'some' people happy.

Great plan for insolvency.

Though it's someone else's money we wish to see spent.

Imagine the outrage on the forum if the club spent tens of millions on the ground and ticket prices went up by £10/game to cover the costs.

In what way am I saying it would be a sound financial idea to expand and/or that we should? All I'm saying is that there are likely people that are put off going to games because the facilities offered are shit. How many of those exist is clearly a matter for debate.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

It's called progress, it's what's happening all over the world .........except in Sheffield of course.

Now you mention Sheffield, it can be no coincidence that the two of the biggest, most antiquated pieces of football architecture (built on spoil heaps) reside in the same city…You may be on to something there.

 

[YES Blade]

So the club should invest tens of millions to make 'some' people happy.

Great plan for insolvency.

Though it's someone else's money we wish to see spent.

Imagine the outrage on the forum if the club spent tens of millions on the ground and ticket prices went up by £10/game to cover the costs.

I think we can all acknowledge that the finances aren’t there to make any serious investment in the stadium. It doesn’t mean I can’t at the same time point out that the Lane is very dated and it would be nice if we could improve the facilities.

 

[Stevo71]

I have just got back from a night at reebok stadium Hotel. I think the bit that would help the club most is making it a genuine venue for day to day use. Meetings, conferences etc. People are regularly at the ground and it's bringing in consistent income. Not really sure what we currently have and what the facilities are like but that wouldn't cost a fortune and helps with income and getting more people into the club.

P.s. I know its not called reebok anymore, I can't remember it's new name

University of Bolton stadium

 

[Stevo71]

Some people just don’t like change. I’ve no doubt a new stadium at the lane or at a new site would have a positive effect on the club.

Missed an opportunity when Don Valley Stadium was demolished.

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

Yeh I get your point. But still convinced my way is still the right way so let’s all argue who’s right n wrong then all agree my way is correct

Totally agree,build a team that sustains,plays good football in the top flight and the support will broaden. We have done well over the last few years in a 2 club northern city with owners that could not afford to splash money. Support has grown and in reality terms has been fantastically loyal. I wasn’t surprised at all last year that we didn’t sell out much,any club with that shitshow every week would not have either.

 

[Upton_Blade]

I’d say our issue on the corporate side isn’t the quality, it’s the quantity! A big reason clubs like Arsenal and Spurs built new stadiums is that the revenue from corporate facilities can be massive. It’s certainly an area where we’ve not maximise our revenue potential, especially during the Premier League seasons.

I'd agree with that to an extent but would counter with the fact that the Exec boxes weren't sold out last year in The Prem and certainly won't be sold out this year in The Champ.

The 1889 suite is almost always full when I've been in there so potentially more of that level of hospitality could be warranted. Not sure how The Platinum Suite does as haven't been in there for years so that mid level may be worthwhile expanding as well.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Missed an opportunity when Don Valley Stadium was demolished.

In what way?

 

[Blade for Sale]

Missed an opportunity when Don Valley Stadium was demolished.

Compare and contrast how Manchester has managed the Commonwealth Games legacy. An athletics stadium fully converted into a football stadium, future proofed to allow future expansion, and said expansion can largely be carried out while keeping the rest of the ground open (as is currently happening). Athletics/women's team catered for in the adjacent 5k capacity facility (British trials there this weekend). Multi purpose arena (ok we have that and won't criticise it purely for it's age). All while regenerating the East End of the city. I know it wouldn't have been popular but let's face it, BL was a dive at the time and I do wonder where we might be had we done something similar. I love BL and all it brings, but we'll always be a middling to nothing club there, without massive investment IMO.

 

[JJBlade]

I’m one of em I hope. And I repeat. Build the team before you extend the stadium. The rest will follow. No point in having a 40k seater stadium with 26/27k fans in it in championship. It’s dead money. Surely you can see that

Yes I can see that
I wasn't talking about doing it next week, and it is all hypothetical anyway because I said if money was no object

 

[JJBlade]

Yeah?

Change our fucking red and white stripes to green and white hoops while you're at it.

Call me old fashioned and backwards if you want but fuck anybody who ever tries to change the identity of this football club that I love.

Shove your fucking rotated stadium up your fucking arse.

Rotated stadium would be fantastic, it would also use up the spare land around the stadium instead of having a slag heap at the back of the kop and an even bigger slag heap facing the pitch

 

[JJBlade]

You’ll never read a JJ post where exaggeration doesn’t override accuracy.

Firstly the comparison with those two is ridiculous. Both longstanding PL sides who built their new grounds with large waiting lists for ST’s and billionaire backers. Oh, and London based.

Arsenal were effectively hog tied financially for a number of years after building the Emirates and despite income increasing to around a £100m pa over their neighbours, Spurs have over £1b of debt and are making huge losses every year.

Arsenal have never achieved turnover of £500m, let alone £600 while Spurs have achieved over £500m once. £560m for 22/23. The Spurs model is exceptional, NFL, AIA etc and will reap the benefits, football wise, will the debt affect their player spend like it did Arsenal?

Still, let’s play fast and loose with figures to try and hammer home the latest dig at United. It was ever thus.

So Spurs turnover was between £500 million and £600 million then, and I'm sorry was Arsenal's only £490 million ? I do apologise
Completely irrelevant anyway, the point is, they don't make that sort of money by selling half a dozen snot pies and four beers at half time and having fans think that that's good enough for them