CONFIRMED Sorry Sir Chris. Louis Reed is quality - Joins Peterborough

[alcoblade]

Just the one league's difference between One & Two. Reed didn't disgrace himself when he played in League One nor did he look out of his depth vs. Spurs in the cup over 2 legs, admittedly 3 seasons ago. Leonard has yet to do anything whatsoever as a midfielder that assures me he isn't wasted money, and yet he's now being proclaimed as a championship level centre back with. The less said about Holmes the better.

So, you disagree with Wilder, and I commend the free thought.

I’d still back Wilder’s judgment over yours though.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

So, you disagree with Wilder, and I commend the free thought.

I’d still back Wilder’s judgment over yours though.

Yes, I'll quite happily disagree with CW, in the grand scheme of things he's not all that. He might well become all that, but he's certainly a work in progress. He gets my support, but it's not without critique, furthermore if we are going into next season thinking that either Holmes or Leonard are what's needed to push on & develop as a football club, then we are fucked.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Anyone writing off Reed at this age and saying he’s at his level are naive at best, or simply stupid.
Nobody can write him off yet, and in 4/5 yrs when he hits his prime he may be in this league or higher.

And that’s the point Woodwardfan he needs 4/5 yrs to try and get to the level of Fleck and/or Coutts, plus Lunny and Evans being young also allows them to become players and I’m afraid are ahead of Reed right now.
We can’t afford to keep players on the off chance with wages he will expect at his stage of life for the next 5 years. Our budget has no room for sentiment, and we need to use what we do have to improve this team for the present, not the future.
We can still look at players from the academy, and without knowing this may also be part of the reason why he’s off. In other words we may have another kid as good coming through.

 

[alcoblade]

Yes, I'll quite happily disagree with CW, in the grand scheme of things he's not all that. He might well become all that, but he's certainly a work in progress. He gets my support, but it's not without critique, furthermore if we are going into next season thinking that either Holmes or Leonard are what's needed to push on & develop as a football club, then we are fucked.

He shouldn’t be above critique, for sure.

But compared to yours or mine, his judgement should certainly be considered ”all that”.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Can someone sum up what’s going on in this thread, I don’t have time to read all 4 pages?

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Anyone writing off Reed at this age and saying he’s at his level are naive at best, or simply stupid.
Nobody can write him off yet, and in 4/5 yrs when he hits his prime he may be in this league or higher.

And that’s the point Woodwardfan he needs 4/5 yrs to try and get to the level of Fleck and/or Coutts, plus Lunny and Evans being young also allows them to become players and I’m afraid are ahead of Reed right now.
We can’t afford to keep players on the off chance with wages he will expect at his stage of life for the next 5 years. Our budget has no room for sentiment, and we need to use what we do have to improve this team for the present, not the future.
We can still look at players from the academy, and without knowing this may also be part of the reason why he’s off. In other words we may have another kid as good coming through.

I'd put Reed ahead of Regan Slater, so we may as well get rid of him as well, because he's got sfa chance of playing 1st team football for us and we're wasting wages on him. And there's no point in loaning him out to a lower league club, because no matter how well he does, and no matter if he win POTY, he'll still be wank. Better to get rid now. He'll never make it.

 

[Snowman]

Can someone sum up what’s going on in this thread, I don’t have time to read all 4 pages?

Someone says that Wilder shouldn't have shown Louis Reed the door because in his opinion he's very good. Some other people disagree for various reasons and some agree.

 

[Silent Blade]

Can someone sum up what’s going on in this thread, I don’t have time to read all 4 pages?

In short, Woodwardfan is criticising Gareth Southgate for not picking Reed for the England World Cup squad.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

He shouldn’t be above critique, for sure.

But compared to yours or mine, his judgement should certainly be considered ”all that”.

On that basis both Adkin's & Clough's judgment should have been beyond reproach, but they both got dog's abuse on here. But they weren't blades & they didn't drink in the Banner, which appears to buy you good will.

 

[alcoblade]

On that basis both Adkin's & Clough's judgment should have been beyond reproach, but they both got dog's abuse on here. But they weren't blades & the didn't drink in the Banner, which buys you good will it appears.

It could be because they didn’t drink in the Banner, or it could perhaps be that, unlike the very successful Wilder, they were fucking shite managers.

Just a hunch, like.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Anyone writing off Reed at this age and saying he’s at his level are naive at best, or simply stupid.
Nobody can write him off yet, and in 4/5 yrs when he hits his prime he may be in this league or higher.

And that’s the point Woodwardfan he needs 4/5 yrs to try and get to the level of Fleck and/or Coutts, plus Lunny and Evans being young also allows them to become players and I’m afraid are ahead of Reed right now.
We can’t afford to keep players on the off chance with wages he will expect at his stage of life for the next 5 years. Our budget has no room for sentiment, and we need to use what we do have to improve this team for the present, not the future.
We can still look at players from the academy, and without knowing this may also be part of the reason why he’s off. In other words we may have another kid as good coming through.

Major point Grizzly blade but where does that leave any club and English football in particular?

I totally understand the conundrum re brooks -£15m now, maybe £10m tops then re-invest.

Much the same with the two Kyles, Lewin, Slew, et al.

The whole point is that we would be better keeping the players than wasting the money,

Mega Ownership dilemma. - Sell and buy 3 players with some manager you don't really respect OR keep the talent, as rare and isolated as it is, which could seriously 'wither on the vine'

Keeping Brooks - is it really in his interests?

Giving away Reed? I ask you? Crazy IMO.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Sean Thornton . Come on lad. Join the debate without animosity.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Major point Grizzly blade but where does that leave any club and English football in particular?

I totally understand the conundrum re brooks -£15m now, maybe £10m tops then re-invest.

Much the same with the two Kyles, Lewin, Slew, et al.

The whole point is that we would be better keeping the players than wasting the money,

Mega Ownership dilemma. - Sell and buy 3 players with some manager you don't really respect OR keep the talent, as rare and isolated as it is, which could seriously 'wither on the vine'

Keeping Brooks - is it really in his interests?

Giving away Reed? I ask you? Crazy IMO.

It’s not really of any detriment to English football. In fact Reed moving on is the best thing he could do.
He’s not good enough now to play for United. That is a fact mate. He therefore needs to play.
It’s in the best interests of player and united for him to go with our best wishes. Who’s to say he won’t become a player, and who’s to stop him returning one day as the finished article when he IS good enough for whatever position United are in when it happens

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

It could be because they didn’t drink in the Banner, or it could perhaps be that, unlike the very successful Wilder, they were fucking shite managers.

Just a hunch, like.

Haha, what's the bench mark for being shite? Adkins has got a better CV than CW. 3x promotions from League One and a Championship runners-up, with a similar win ratio at a much higher level. Once he took over at Hull, I would suspect (i can't be arsed to look at the stats) that he outperformed CW per game in the Champ. Or doesn't that count because Hull had nothing to play for? Or was it because they'd got a bigger budget? He had a poor spell with us, a 'fucking shite manager' he certainly ain't.

 

[Woodwardfan]

In short, Woodwardfan is criticising Gareth Southgate for not picking Reed for the England World Cup squad.

Sorry Silent Blade / What are you talking about? Please explain.

Respect as ever but I have to ask the question.

I have said above I want him out on loan to the SPL next season. What do you mean?

Let's have a forum which respects facts, not froth.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It’s not really of any detriment to English football. In fact Reed moving on is the best thing he could do.
He’s not good enough now to play for United. That is a fact mate. He therefore needs to play.
It’s in the best interests of player and united for him to go with our best wishes. Who’s to say he won’t become a player, and who’s to stop him returning one day as the finished article when he IS good enough for whatever position United are in when it happens

We agree. You say transfer him. I say nourish him like Loftus-Cheek, Abraham, Blackman.

 

[alcoblade]

Haha, what's the bench mark for being shite? Adkins has got a better CV than CW. 3x promotions from League One and a Championship runners-up, with a similar win ratio at a much higher level. Once he took over at Hull, I would suspect (i can't be arsed to look at the stats) that he outperformed CW. Or doesn't that count because Hull had nothing to play for?

In Adkins case, I was referring to the managerial job he did with us.

It could perhaps be argued that his transfer dealings were good. If you’re clinically insane.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Wonder if Fulham may come in for the forest fairy.
That might mean the Wendy have a bit of coin to burn but whether they get another Rhodes or Fletcher or a decent one like Hooper, who can tell?

We agree. You say transfer him. I say nourish him like Loftus-Cheek, Abraham, Blackman.

In an ideal world yes we could keep him. But we aren’t Chelsea, we aren’t talking potentially world class players who can be sold for huge sums. He’s not at that level sadly.
Let him go, a change of club will do him good.

 

[Woodwardfan]

It’s not really of any detriment to English football. In fact Reed moving on is the best thing he could do.
He’s not good enough now to play for United. That is a fact mate. He therefore needs to play.
It’s in the best interests of player and united for him to go with our best wishes. Who’s to say he won’t become a player, and who’s to stop him returning one day as the finished article when he IS good enough for whatever position United are in when it happens

If he is not good enough right now, why does he have to move on? Chelsea have 30 players on loan. Not that they are a role model for the Championship but.....at the different levels.

 

[Silent Blade]

Sorry Silent Blade / What are you talking about? Please explain.

Respect as ever but I have to ask the question.

I have said above I want him out on loan to the SPL next season. What do you mean?

Let's have a forum which respects facts, not froth.

Up to Wilder and his staff

 

[Woodwardfan]

In an ideal world yes we could keep him. But we aren’t Chelsea, we aren’t talking potentially world class players who can be sold for huge sums. He’s not at that level sadly.
Let him go, a change of club will do him good.

OK Maybe a £50k fee. Come on.

 

[B14Nco]

you can't keep giving away 3 year contracts hoping someone may come good.
I agree Brooks has been over hyped in some quarters and is yet to prove himself at championship level consistently, but in his short time on the pitch he's shown more potential than Reed has.

I actually think for the money he will be on... yeah you can, or at least a year with a year option. Especially a player that has been with us for the amount of time he has. Think a contract, another loan but in Lg1 and see how he does.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Up to Wilder and his staff

Sorry Silent. You suggested I was talking about picking him for England.. Poor form.

Now you talk more sense.

Sorry mate. In this new era I should be more forgiving but you have been a thorn.

 

[Nicolaus_Copernicus]

Haha, what's the bench mark for being shite? Adkins has got a better CV than CW. 3x promotions from League One and a Championship runners-up, with a similar win ratio at a much higher level. Once he took over at Hull, I would suspect (i can't be arsed to look at the stats) that he outperformed CW per game in the Champ. Or doesn't that count because Hull had nothing to play for? Or was it because they'd got a bigger budget? He had a poor spell with us, a 'fucking shite manager' he certainly ain't.

Having motivated myself to open up my master spreadsheet and look at the stats, as Hull manager NA got 36 points, whilst CW got 32 over the same period. If that's not definitive proof of something, then I don't know what is.

 

[Silent Blade]

Sorry Silent. You suggested I was talking about picking him for England.. Poor form.

Now you talk more sense.

Sorry mate. In this new era I should be more forgiving but you have been a thorn.

 

[Woodwardfan]

 

[Woodwardfan]

 

[Woodwardfan]

 

[Woodwardfan]

What can anyone say about the standard of debate?

This was a good thread until that intervention.

Silent. What should I say?

OK you do not want intelligent debate.

Fair enough. Can we have a separate section for you guys?

 

[sitwell]

We have him on contract for another year.

We sign him up on a 3 year contract on relative peanuts.

We send him on loan with an 'escape clause' for January. He would go to League 1, SPL or Championship if Burton were still there.

Next summer with 150 games under his belt we have a much better player than Evans from Wolves/Wigan when we paid &700k for him.

Better than Stevens.

Better than Leinard £700k

Better than Lundstram £700k?

As good as Coutts before long.and could graduate to Fleck in due course.

Coutts and Fleck have 'graduated' over the years.

Do we need to buy every player?

You really think he's better than Evans and the equal of coutts and fleck ? That's not poor form that's bonkers.