So who is this so called fan then?

[Inter_blade83]

I actually changed it to "a speed limit", but the same applies. The argument against him being banned is going overboard with straw men and exagerations. People saying they're going to be afraid to post anymore, let's shut down the forum.
You know, if people really don't know what's acceptable and what isn't in the aftermath of a tragedy that took half a dozen lives, then we probably should.

As I've said before, I've no issue with the club doing this, as long as the example is made public to serve as a warning or to educate those who might inadvertently say something they later regret. Many people say things out of context after a few too many etc.

But to hide behind terms and conditions with no real explanation like flatulent is doing is pretty weak and open to argument.

It's not clear.

 

[metalblade]

Why is everyone speculating that the comment made were about the events in Leicester ? It could be comments on anything and this is where the club has shot itself in the foot by not making a reference to the subject the comments were made about, there is no need to quote the comments word for word. I could think of a few events recently that could be a major embarrassment to certain people at the club.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

As I've said before, I've no issue with the club doing this, as long as the example is made public to serve as a warning or to educate those who might inadvertently say something they later regret. Many people say things out of context after a few too many etc.

But to hide behind terms and conditions with no real explanation like flatulent is doing is pretty weak and open to argument.

It's not clear.

I understand that, but I think - and I know this is pure speculation on my part - that this bloke must have said something pretty bad, beyond the usual fan to fan banter / rivalry / insults. We know what's just happened so we know what shouldn't be said. I doubt that it's because he's said "coloured" and not "black". Obviously it would be better if we could know, but then for the club to repeat it, they are making it worse, so we just have to use our common sense and judgement.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Does it break the Ts and Cs?
I feel like I’m going around in circles making the same point here.
They are right there in black and white when you buy a ticket.

The club didn't say anything about Ts and Cs in its statement

 

[snootyfenooty]

So it wouldn’t break the Ts and Cs of buying a ticket so you could easily look to challenge and contest it. In effect he’s banned you without any just cause or having followed any process.

Yes it would. He may view it as the equivalent of you calling him a cunt. You don't know how he interprets it. He may not be fully familiar with Sheffield toilet humour and may feel grossly insulted. So to get this right, the T's and C's can only be invoked depending upon what you deem to be an insult.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

As I've said before, I've no issue with the club doing this, as long as the example is made public to serve as a warning or to educate those who might inadvertently say something they later regret. Many people say things out of context after a few too many etc.

But to hide behind terms and conditions with no real explanation like flatulent is doing is pretty weak and open to argument.

It's not clear.

Ok we’ll have to disagree, it seems really clear to me to not discriminate if you don’t want to be banned from buying tickets, but you don’t seem want to accept that. It can’t be as specific as you’d like, it just wouldn’t be workable.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Yes it would. He may view it as the equivalent of you calling him a cunt. You don't know how he interprets it. He may not be fully familiar with Sheffield toilet humour and may feel grossly insulted. So to get this right, the T's and C's can only be invoked depending upon what you deem to be an insult.

Insults aren’t mentioned, only discrimination.
Calling someone a cunt isn’t on it’s own discriminatory.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Ok we’ll have to disagree, it seems really clear to me to not discriminate if you don’t want to be banned from buying tickets, but you don’t seem want to accept that. It can’t be as specific as you’d like, it just wouldn’t be workable.

Discrimination is subjective. But that's a whole other discussion lol

 

[snootyfenooty]

Insults aren’t mentioned, only discrimination.
Calling someone a cunt isn’t on it’s on discriminatory.

Where's the discrimination involved in this banning order? You seem to know more than anyone else on this.

 

[Inter_blade83]

But most half-intelligent human beings - and I'm including you in this, run with it - know where to draw the line. I doubt that the harsh banter on here (in my view occasionally over the top) would extend to comments about people who'd just died in a helicopter crash. If it was Chansiri, I wouldn't expect this forum to be filled with nasty comments about him within days of it happening.
And if it did, I wouldn't blame the club for banning them.

How long would you have to wait to make a nasty comment without the threat of a banning order?

 

[Dellas Cowboys]

so rarely have I heard the word vitriolic used I had to Google it for an accurate meaning

actions have consequences - who'd have thought it

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Where's the discrimination involved in this banning order? You seem to know more than anyone else on this.

Haha you’re being facetious.
I’m merely debating the point.
I’m saying breaching the terms and conditions for buying tickets is a good way to get banned from buying tickets. Until he/she releases what the club have said only they will know the specifics.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

How long would you have to wait to make a nasty comment without the threat of a banning order?

My personal view is for ever. I see no reason for a nasty comment or that time should make something acceptable, but I know it happens. I would go back to what I said earlier, on a public platform it shouldn't be said. Save the sick jokes for the pub.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

That's what the law of the land is for though isn't it? It's not really for a football club to be policing it's own standards of decently at a threshold below the law. It's a slippery slope to be honest.

It would also be very important to learn of what was said, so people can know what that threshold is for getting a lifetime ban.

If the club is deciding on levels of decency do we get all our money back under Sirral, Haslam, Blackwell, Adkins and especially Robson?

 

[snootyfenooty]

Haha you’re being facetious.
I’m merely debating the point.
I’m saying breaching the terms and conditions for buying tickets is a good way to get banned from buying tickets. Until he/she releases what the club have said only they will know the specifics.

No I'm not. You cited discrimination as being the reason for the banning order but it now appears it could have been anything including a subjective decision by the club.

 

[Hamburg Blade]

If the club is deciding on levels of decency do we get all our money back under Sirral, Haslam, Blackwell, Adkins and especially Robson?

For the first game, yes. You would have to explain why you should get your money back for carrying on turning up.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

No I'm not. You cited discrimination as being the reason for the banning order but it now appears it could have been anything including a subjective decision by the club.

I’ve listed some of the Ts and Cs and discrimination is one of them.

 

[Demon Blade]

The law is not the only standard that is allowed. Every organisation has a right to set standards, whether it is dress code for a night club, language in the work place or behaviour of customers. SUFC don't have a right to say what he can or can't say - they have every right to say they want to disassociate themselves from his comments and will refuse his custom.

This.

Call yourself a Blade and you are representing the club we love.

 

[snootyfenooty]

I’ve listed some of the Ts and Cs and discrimination is one of them.

But there's no indication this is the reason for the ban. You seem very sure the club haven't screwed up on this, it wouldn't be the first time.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

And they're not taking him to court. So it's irrelevant.

So what shall United trawl through 25 thousand people’s tweets to check whether they’ve made an inappropriate joke or something mean then Ban them if they have

 

[Hamburg Blade]

So what shall United trawl through 25 thousand people’s tweets to check whether they’ve made an inappropriate joke or something mean then Ban them if they have

Do you really think that is what the club has done? You don't appear to understand what's happened here.

 

[Demon Blade]

A bit like the owner of the bakery refusing to sell a cake to gays?

They did not refuse to sell to gays. They refused to write a slogan on the cake they did not agree with.

 

[Pedro's Winger]

Strange statement from the club which doesn't give any indication of what was said so no-one has any idea whether a ban is warranted or what kind of 'standards' the club is setting for social media comment by supporters.
Setting yourself up as the morality police when it comes to potentially tens of thousands of social media accounts sounds like a very dodgy road to start travelling down.

 

[NotFallowfieldBlade]

Do you really think that is what the club has done? You don't appear to understand what's happened here.

From what I’ve seen it’s someone making a joke about the Leicester crash on Facebook , and however distasteful this doesn’t mean they should be banned.

But where does it stop ?

 

[s4-blade]

Has anybody mantioned that this may all be a ploy to almost embarrass the pork into taking action against the scumbag who posted the sharp tweets?
The lack of any context and example and the wording of the statement mentioning “abuse” certainly lend themselves to the theory.

 

[Northyorksblade]

Unlikely seeing as he's contracted to play for the club.

Seriously? We have had a million, trillion threads on Ched. Isn't it time to give it a rest.

 

[Northyorksblade]

From what I’ve seen it’s someone making a joke about the Leicester crash on Facebook , and however distasteful this doesn’t mean they should be banned.

You are still making an assumption. There is nothing in the club's wording that infers it was about the Leicester crash, or come to that, the tweet about Billy's baby. And we never will know because the club said so.

 

[Inter_blade83]

They did not refuse to sell to gays. They refused to write a slogan on the cake they did not agree with.

Thus not selling them a cake?

 

[We are bladesmen]

Whoever it is has said whatever they’ve said to get a ban... for me personally, this can only have been posted on a SUFC social media outlet or the poster has linked himself to the club via tagging or one of the other ways to link the comment to whatever/whoever - for example in this instance it could have been the SUFC Facebook page. Post was made, it’s been spotted taken down sharpish and the poster subsequently banned.

I highly doubt SUFC are trawling the entire social media outlets for such comments, because if they were we would have a lot more bans being handed out - unless we are and we aren’t hearing about them but it seems unlikely. Not to mention the task that would be be really.

It’s much more likely some numpty has said something thinking they are clever on social media, the link to the club is undeniable therefore incuring a ban.

There’s not going to be an explanation by they club so no one will ever really know, but rationale thinking and past history of the club doing this sort of thing in these circumstances is enough (for me) to accept it at face value.

 

[BigBed]

Haven't a clue what you're trying to say there. I'm not a member of Ched Evans' fan club and can't see anything supportive of him in my posts and I'm not slagging him off either, just highlighting the clubs contradictory stance when dealing with moral issues.

There was no need to bring up Evans past, it is exactly that, past.
This is a different situation totally, how are we ever going to get past what happened years ago, is people can't just drop it??