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Pollingtonblade
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We've got a self imposed transfer embargo at the minute ;-)
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We're like the Barcelona of League 1...
boo radley
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And the fact we have a reactionary board to the vocal minority that has lead to the short termism.
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First point is that David Green had a spell as football club Chairman, and at the same time the club employed a bloke called Jon Stephenson as some sort of head scout/footballing guru, and the result was that we made no progress that season. I've met David Green and he is a decent fella, but if you want to build a football club, employing the owner of Green Piling Ltd isn't the man for it.
I wouldn't like to bandy names around for the this sort of role, but I would have thought that it would be ideal for someone like Neil Warnock to get involved with and set up, a few years back I said that it wouldn't be a bad idea to have someone like Graham Taylor coming in as a director of football. Looking at other names, I don't think someone like Glenn Roeder or someone with similar standing and contacts within the game coming in to do a DoF type of role.
I'm not advocating breaching FFP, but I also know that at the minute things are as dire at the Lane as they have been for years. I'm making a suggestion that make improve stuff rather than being negative for the sake of it. With the players who don't want to shift, my view is that if they want to sit on their contracts then don't let the train, get them in at 6am every morning for 12 hours of doing chores around the ground and tell them if they don't like it then they know where the door is
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Interesting idea and it would be funny to see it happening. But they would still need to train to retain their value, and we might need them as cover.
Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen
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For someone NOT to "bandy names" about, that's NOT a bad attempt.
Who are these "someone like" characters? I'm ready to listen if you can "bandy" a name or two who are similar to Warnock/Taylor but NOT Roeder or someone with similar standing and contacts is/are?
It's there. In glorious black and white, Ariel 10pt.
That's the way to deal with contract rebels.
Dear me.
Pollingtonblade
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He said someone like.
But his idea is spot on every fucking bastard year since 07 have we appointed people I've never heard of in the boardroom and it has got us nowhere.
Mcabe himself must think a 'DOF' type figure must be a good idea cos he offered it GrahamTaylor and offered it Bryan Robson when he sacked him - any of those would be better than someone with no football experience.
We currently have 2 owners that are barely here and a cheerleader who's badly.
Who the fucking hell is running the show?
Silent Blade
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David Green took over Mal Brannigan’s position last month and this month is his first involvement in transfer dealings. Like you, I am not keen on bringing in someone who has no experience in football to work with our manager but there is still time for him to prove me and you wrong.
From what I remember from watching reserves matches in early 2000s, Warnock doesn’t often goes to matches and I don’t think he is a good talent spotter (he signed a lot of players during his time with us and about one in three of the signings turn out to be decent – we don’t have much time and money to gamble like he did), he is good at man management (the biggest reason in his success at management) which isn’t important in the DoF role. Graham Taylor has been out of football for too long to be considered a role in DoF.
Would the PFA allow clubs not to let players train?
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That's as far as I read then I thought......
But i'll add, is it now the requirement of all supporters to know who we've added to the boardroom, not just by name?
Were you aware of Jim Phipps, Prince Abdulraham Bin Abdullah and Selahattin Baki before they arrived?
I wasn't. Anyone else?
How does McCabe think? I have no idea, but I do know his name is McCabe, don't want any confusion.
So, you think appointing Bryan Robson would be a good thing? Still? Honestly?
Maybe Bryan doesn't. Maybe he prefers meeting and greeting on MUFC matchdays etc etc.
Last question... Running the show?
Do you think Sheffield United would be better run if McCabe [note spelling] and/or Prince and/or Selahattin was at their office desk at
"whatever a.m" every day?
Pollingtonblade
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Do you think we could be any worse.
Robson brought some good players to the club just was a shit manager.
Silent Blade
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And on sky high wages
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We made bids to sign Dan Burn and Dean Hammond at the end of the August transfer window.
Since then we've only signed Hammond and several players have been sent out on loan and off the wage bill.
We've apparently already made bids for two unnamed players in this transfer window.
All this suggests to me that we don't or shouldn't need players to leave before Adkins can sign players.
That we won't have a problem with breaking the FFP rules even if we did.
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Maybe in theory
Silent Blade
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Just remembered. We were supposed to sign Burn on loan not to buy him
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Well The Star reported that we were going to sign him permanently before the window closed, then on loan after that fell through.
Either way, his wages would have counted towards FFP and the club were planning to bring him in months ago without anyone having to leave first.
<< Burn, who has made 39 appearances for Championship club Fulham, had been scheduled to join United on a permanent basis before the transfer window closed earlier this month. However, with an undisclosed contractual issue delaying the deal, Adkins is thought to have reached an agreement, albeit in principle, which would see the former Yeovil Town and Birmingham City defender head north at a time of United’s choosing >>
Read more: http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/sheffield-united-blades-target-top-flight-star-1-7467571#ixzz3yMFPBow9
http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/foot...nited-blades-target-top-flight-star-1-7467571
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Please read this before posting about FFP.
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/the-benefactor-model-permitted-in-league-1-and-2
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/the-benefactor-model-permitted-in-league-1-and-2
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Yes, I know. I'm always referring to that myself.
There really is no reason related to FFP why United shouldn't be signing players this transfer window.
If we don't it's because the "benefactors" don't want to fund it on top of what they've already spent.
Barney
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What about having a squad of 40+?
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Have you read any of the discussion above?
We had more players in the squad in August. We still tried to sign players at the end of August. We've made bids for players in this window.
In League One, benefactors are allowed to inject equity to increase the turnover figure that FFP is based on.
They might not want to but FFP is not preventing them from doing it.
Barney
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I hadn't to be honest. I just saw your comment and it caught my eye.
We had the chance to sign the players we needed with the five we've already given the manager the money for. A much smaller squad has been something I've been pining for since we got rid of Wilson and appointed Weir and Clough made everything worse with his buying sprees. It has to start somewhere.
Roygbiv
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Only United could throw money at the club for the one and only time in their history and get Bryan Robson to mastermind it. You have to wonder if some of our board members were or are Wednesday fans because the number of ridiculous decisions that we have seen over the past 7 years is quite something. All started with that Robson appointment for me
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It all started with Rob Hulse and his injury for me. We really never recovered from losing his presence up top. Proof of that is the fact that with him out injured, he was still our top scorer with eight goals. We had no one else capable of taking his place and doing what he did, which shows exactly how little the club was 'Premiership Ready'. That is both Warnock's and McCabe's fault.
Sacking Warnock on our drop (or not renewing his contract) was the most ridiculous gestures I think I saw as a United fan since seling Currie to Leeds. THAT ... and the appointment of Robson and a series of duffers ... is McCabe's fault.
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When Hulse came back he was gun shy as well, bottled any 50/50 situation (and after a broken leg I am not saying he was doing wrong, just that he was doing it), as you say Pomps, we had no one else really who could carry his load.
The OP couldn't be more right.
The club is in crisis and has been since we failed to win promotion at the first time of asking. I didn't really feel that relegation from the Championship was that much of a crisis, because the club seemed to react relatively calmly, installed a man they thought was capable of achieving promotion and kept the bulk of the relegated squad together and brought in a couple of academy lads to the team to bring us on. We had a an attractive style of play, were exciting to watch, and were most importantly, youthful with 3 old heads down the spine of the team overseeing the revival (Collins, Doyle and Cresswell.) If we'd achieved promotion that year then who knows where we might have been, but since then we seem to have pressed the self destruct button time and time again.
The short term-ism of those running the club is bewildering and so shortsighted. They need to stop being so reactive, take stock of where we are and put a long term plan in place which will ultimately take us back up to where we were 8 years ago and challenging at the top of the Championship.
I sometimes wonder if the board have even looked ahead to what happens next when we do eventually win promotion and what the plan for then is? The talk each pre season is that the target is promotion and that is ultimately what the manager will be judged on at the end of the season. Managers are scared to look long term with us because they know that failure to achieve that target will result in the sack (that isn't exclusive to us however, rather football in general.) The manager therefore turns to trusted older heads, who they know they can rely on, rather than take a chance with some younger players either from the academy or bought in from other clubs because the older players pose of a risk, even though they don't guarantee success at all (as the last 5 seasons has proven.)
The board now need to tell Adkins that he is tasked with sorting out this mess, he will be given 3 years, all at this level if need be to help give the club an identity, a pattern of play, a clear path in to the first team for the academy players which are good enough.
If we carry on down this path, and we somehow manage to stumble up this season does anybody seriously think we are going to survive in the Championship? I sure as hell don't. It will need more money spending, another turn around of players and lots of new faces coming in and desperately trying to survive. I'd much rather write this season off and focus on the future.
There is a good opportunity at the end of this season to build something for the future. A chance to move away from signing experienced ex PL or Championship players who have dropped down the leagues because they can no longer hack it. A chance to bring in young, hungry, pacey players and blend them with the experienced performers who are good enough still: Sharp, Coutts, Basham.
The message needs to come from the board though as the OP says. They are in charge of this car crash of a club and they are the ones who can sort it out. We cannot keep ambling along as we are, spunking money away on old players and allowing each different manager to change the style of play and the playing staff every season.
The club is in crisis and has been since we failed to win promotion at the first time of asking. I didn't really feel that relegation from the Championship was that much of a crisis, because the club seemed to react relatively calmly, installed a man they thought was capable of achieving promotion and kept the bulk of the relegated squad together and brought in a couple of academy lads to the team to bring us on. We had a an attractive style of play, were exciting to watch, and were most importantly, youthful with 3 old heads down the spine of the team overseeing the revival (Collins, Doyle and Cresswell.) If we'd achieved promotion that year then who knows where we might have been, but since then we seem to have pressed the self destruct button time and time again.
The short term-ism of those running the club is bewildering and so shortsighted. They need to stop being so reactive, take stock of where we are and put a long term plan in place which will ultimately take us back up to where we were 8 years ago and challenging at the top of the Championship.
I sometimes wonder if the board have even looked ahead to what happens next when we do eventually win promotion and what the plan for then is? The talk each pre season is that the target is promotion and that is ultimately what the manager will be judged on at the end of the season. Managers are scared to look long term with us because they know that failure to achieve that target will result in the sack (that isn't exclusive to us however, rather football in general.) The manager therefore turns to trusted older heads, who they know they can rely on, rather than take a chance with some younger players either from the academy or bought in from other clubs because the older players pose of a risk, even though they don't guarantee success at all (as the last 5 seasons has proven.)
The board now need to tell Adkins that he is tasked with sorting out this mess, he will be given 3 years, all at this level if need be to help give the club an identity, a pattern of play, a clear path in to the first team for the academy players which are good enough.
If we carry on down this path, and we somehow manage to stumble up this season does anybody seriously think we are going to survive in the Championship? I sure as hell don't. It will need more money spending, another turn around of players and lots of new faces coming in and desperately trying to survive. I'd much rather write this season off and focus on the future.
There is a good opportunity at the end of this season to build something for the future. A chance to move away from signing experienced ex PL or Championship players who have dropped down the leagues because they can no longer hack it. A chance to bring in young, hungry, pacey players and blend them with the experienced performers who are good enough still: Sharp, Coutts, Basham.
The message needs to come from the board though as the OP says. They are in charge of this car crash of a club and they are the ones who can sort it out. We cannot keep ambling along as we are, spunking money away on old players and allowing each different manager to change the style of play and the playing staff every season.
Greenwich Blade
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Best thread in yonks; even the Barnster has weighed in thoughtfully.
I think I agree with every comment on here, even the contradictory points when two of you are arguing against each other.
This is a proper forum.
Having said that, my brain hurts too much to add any of my own opinions.
I think I agree with every comment on here, even the contradictory points when two of you are arguing against each other.
This is a proper forum.
Having said that, my brain hurts too much to add any of my own opinions.
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