Sheffield United under a Labour government...

[Willie Carlin]

If we have another vote, it’s still democratic though. It’s still ‘asking the people’. It’s not like Parliament simply overriding the referendum results.

You’ve been listening too much to the rambling of Blair and Branson. Out means out!

 

[Sparky The Blade]

When markets drive the rest of the world, countries with socialist politics will simply degenerate financially. Socialism is far and away the fairest way to run a country. Unfortunately, it only works if everybody plays, if you have vast supplies of some valuable resource or if you can be completely self sufficient.

I agree. Although you can design an interface between socialism and capitalism that would work, however, socialist countries have had sanctions placed upon them to prevent that type of society from working (Venezuela - they have a vast valuable resource but sanctions prevent them from using it properly).

You are talking mid transition here, I am talking end game. When there are no jobs, poverty is strife and the rich are getting richer. How do they sell capitalism at that point? They will do it with Universal Basic Income (in other words, socialism). It would be the only way to keep their gravy train running. It doesn't take much to realise that Capitalism is finite. Growth can't go on forever, eventually, there becomes nothing left to squeeze. Earth day is moving earlier each year, human greed means that this situation is now irretrievable unless we all decide to stop consuming altogether.

 

[Harrisblade]

brexit has been decided .. we had a vote on it.. i’m sure i didn’t make that up

Sorry.
Thought we were talking about options for Labour to decide on in the event of Parliament not going with the Tory Brexit deal (or no 'deal' at all) such as "Speaking to the BBC, Mr Corbyn said he did not know what the deal would look like, but if it was rejected by MPs, the government "will have to go back to the EU and say 'our parliament can't agree to this'".
So still Brexit - but maybe a different version.

 

[BushBlade]

Not for the first time in my life, a stupid question from me...

...if we’re going to have a second referendum, what was the fucking point of the first? If the result of the second doesn’t suit, what happens then, best of three?

Seriously, there has never previously been a time when U.K. politicians have been so universally despised - they couldn’t run a fucking bath.

Playing Devils Advocate, because I’ve stopped giving a shit, what will be will be, we voted on a broad principle. When we’ve got an idea of what the detail will be, vote to confirm we’re still up for it. It’s like when you press delete and you get the message ‘are you sure you wish to delete ...’.

I’m totally disenfranchised with party politics. My next vote will be for a minority party with no hope of winning. They’re all a bunch of self serving pricks.

 

[super_pig]

Keynesian multiplier. Injecting public money into the banks to prop up the economy. It’s a mainstay of traditional left wing economics but usually done by injecting money into public services and infrastructure (which we also did post 2008).

heh.. except they don't inject anything.. fiat currency is just made up money by the banks. you have to have someone to underwrite it. they don't go to some warehouse and load a billion's worth of tenners into the back of a van.. anyways. about blockchain..

 

[BushBlade]

You’ve been listening too much to the rambling of Blair and Branson. Out means out!

I don’t know who Branson is unless you mean Richard and, if so, I have no idea of and no interest in his opinion. I know who Blair is and I’ve no interest in his opinion either. I just don’t see why leavers are so fearful of another vote. Shouting slogans at me doesn’t explain anything.

 

[super_pig]

This thread is fast becoming a Party Political Broadcast for the Tory Party.

i'm disaffected ex Labour. left wing voted Brexit. nobody represents my views certainly not the middle class bolsheviks

 

[Willie Carlin]

It’s greedy sods like this bloke that wants sorting. Should practice what he preaches. Don’t talk to me about Tories. All the

 

[BushBlade]

heh.. except they don't inject anything.. fiat currency is just made up money by the banks. you have to have someone to underwrite it. they don't go to some warehouse and load a billion's worth of tenners into the back of a van.. anyways. about blockchain..

I didn’t mention fucking block chain. I’ve had to listen to some pissed up mate telling me it’s the future. I’ll tell you what I told him; I’m not interested in block chain, bog chains or the Jesus and Mary Chain.

 

[super_pig]

What’s the harm in having another one? I don’t know any leavers who’d change their vote. You act like you’re scared of a second referendum because this time the majority will vote to remain.

bring it on. i reckon the antics of Macron/Barnier and Tusk have hardened a lot of opinions. however (and this is the kicker).. that isn't the point. you can't just keep asking for another vote.. another vote until you win. i'm sure there won't be another vote to make sure once they get the result they are after (see France, Ireland)

 

[Willie Carlin]

I don’t know who Branson is unless you mean Richard and, if so, I have no idea of and no interest in his opinion. I know who Blair is and I’ve no interest in his opinion either. I just don’t see why leavers are so fearful of another vote. Shouting slogans at me doesn’t explain anything.

And I don’t see why we should have another vote so let’s leave it at that.

 

[super_pig]

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are you sure Devereux is a Tory? he was originally appointed by Brown. he had a massive run in with Duncan-Smith FWIR

 

[super_pig]

I didn’t mention fucking block chain. I’ve had to listen to some pissed up mate telling me it’s the future. I’ll tell you what I told him; I’m not interested in block chain, bog chains or the Jesus and Mary Chain.

jesus and the mary chain were a top band
sorry wrong person

 

[BushBlade]

bring it on. i reckon the antics of Macron/Barnier and Tusk have hardened a lot of opinions. however (and this is the kicker).. that isn't the point. you can't just keep asking for another vote.. another vote until you win. i'm sure there won't be another vote to make sure once they get the result they are after (see France, Ireland)

I agree but no one is suggesting multiple votes and no credible person would support that. We’re talking about one more vote before the deal is done. There’s a timeframe that’s already set, so for practical reasons it wouldn’t be possible to keep having votes about it. If there was another vote and the outcome was still leave, that’s it, time up, we’re out.

I’m not asking for another vote btw, I’ll survive whatever the outcome

 

[super_pig]

I agree. Although you can design an interface between socialism and capitalism that would work, however, socialist countries have had sanctions placed upon them to prevent that type of society from working (Venezuela - they have a vast valuable resource but sanctions prevent them from using it properly).

You are talking mid transition here, I am talking end game. When there are no jobs, poverty is strife and the rich are getting richer. How do they sell capitalism at that point? They will do it with Universal Basic Income (in other words, socialism). It would be the only way to keep their gravy train running. It doesn't take much to realise that Capitalism is finite. Growth can't go on forever, eventually, there becomes nothing left to squeeze. Earth day is moving earlier each year, human greed means that this situation is now irretrievable unless we all decide to stop consuming altogether.

oh for my mid twenties again .. sigh. i used to be a rampant Marxist. picket lines. sit ins. che guevara poster
then i went down to the University one day and happened upon the Politics section looking for the State in Capitalist Society by Ralph Milliband (yeah. it's his dad). they had loads of copies. i had the sudden revelation that this twat marxist was selling 20 copies at fifty quid a piece to every University in the World. Totally caning it in. what a fucking hypocrite (he put his sons through Oxbridge with the cash).. then i turned my attention to the others. as my Uncle said to me in 1997 ' ah bet tha never saw that Tony Blair on't picket lines in't miners strike'.. and he was right. i didn't.

 

[Willie Carlin]

are you sure Devereux is a Tory? he was originally appointed by Brown. he had a massive run in with Duncan-Smith FWIR

They did have a fallout but I think you’ll find Duncan Smith was Secretary of State for works and pensions and Devereux worked for him.

 

[Sparky The Blade]

can’t wait to live in the new Eastern bloc.. ah wait .. we voted to leave it just in time
btw.. how will blockchain ‘do your job’ .. do you understand blockchain? genuinely interested

Yeah, I have a decent grasp of it.

There are many projects and products that are currently being developed that will provide all sorts of services. Blockchain could leave the banking industry redundant as it will provide a verification service. You do work for me, I pay you through blockchain (either directly or through a pre-agreed smart contract) and you receive payment without any need for that money to touch a bank, intermediary or middleman. The blockchain and its verification process (likely to be either a Proof of Work of Proof of Stake computer network) will do all the verification work that the banks currently do. Payment should be near instant regardless of where you are in the world (if they can get the technology to scale which is the current issue to be resolved).

If you want to learn about it you are best watching some of these:- HERE

There are many other flavours other than bitcoin,some direct competitors and some providing specific services.

Deutsch Bank think that Blockchain is likely to reduce their workforce anywhere between 60% and 90%.

Once you learn about it you quickly realise the power of this technology and you can see all different types of industries wanting to get on board and how many jobs could be replaced.

How it will replace jobs in banking, read this:- https://cryptobriefing.com/banking-jobs-blockchain-threat/

 

[Sparky The Blade]

oh for my mid twenties again .. sigh. i used to be a rampant Marxist. picket lines. sit ins. che guevara poster
then i went down to the University one day and happened upon the Politics section looking for the State in Capitalist Society by Ralph Milliband (yeah. it's his dad). they had loads of copies. i had the sudden revelation that this twat marxist was selling 20 copies at fifty quid a piece to every University in the World. Totally caning it in. what a fucking hypocrite (he put his sons through Oxbridge with the cash).. then i turned my attention to the others. as my Uncle said to me in 1997 ' ah bet tha never saw that Tony Blair on't picket lines in't miners strike'.. and he was right. i didn't.

Thats because Tony Blair was a Tory in disguise! Always was, always will be.

I know of that book, I've read it, BTW I am considerably older than my twenties and I am no marxist but it was a fair assumption to make based on what I have said.

I don't mind being belittled if you have a valid point but that had zero substance.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Thats because Tony Blair was a Tory in disguise! Always was, always will be.

I know of that book, I've read it, BTW I am considerably older than my twenties and I am no marxist but it was a fair assumption to make based on what I have said.

I don't mind being belittled if you have a valid point but that had zero substance.

He wasn't a Tory though. His view of socialism was that everyone should be better off as long as you were his mate and already wealthy.

 

[Sparky The Blade]

He wasn't a Tory though. His view of socialism was that everyone should be better off as long as you were his mate and already wealthy.

Not a Tory by name but a wolf in sheep's clothing. That man wouldn't know socialism if it hit him in the face.

 

[Harrisblade]

It’s greedy sods like this bloke that wants sorting. Should practice what he preaches. Don’t talk to me about Tories. All the View attachment 44559View attachment 44558

Just see what a good education can do for you!

 

[Harrisblade]

He wasn't a Tory though. His view of socialism was that everyone should be better off as long as you were his mate and already wealthy.

He was a Tory then

 

[Sean Thornton]

He was a Tory then

Welllll......

 

[TTMeysh]

Sir Robert Devereux is a career civil servant, most recently Permanent Secretary at the DWP. He is retiring on a massive wedge because that's the way the civil service works, low pay through your career offset by a generous pension.

Given that we are here because we are happy to watch journeymen footballers get £20k a week to kick a ball around, worrying about this seem a bit daft to me.

 

[super_pig]

Yeah, I have a decent grasp of it.

There are many projects and products that are currently being developed that will provide all sorts of services. Blockchain could leave the banking industry redundant as it will provide a verification service. You do work for me, I pay you through blockchain (either directly or through a pre-agreed smart contract) and you receive payment without any need for that money to touch a bank, intermediary or middleman. The blockchain and its verification process (likely to be either a Proof of Work of Proof of Stake computer network) will do all the verification work that the banks currently do. Payment should be near instant regardless of where you are in the world (if they can get the technology to scale which is the current issue to be resolved).

If you want to learn about it you are best watching some of these:- HERE

There are many other flavours other than bitcoin,some direct competitors and some providing specific services.

Deutsch Bank think that Blockchain is likely to reduce their workforce anywhere between 60% and 90%.

Once you learn about it you quickly realise the power of this technology and you can see all different types of industries wanting to get on board and how many jobs could be replaced.

How it will replace jobs in banking, read this:- https://cryptobriefing.com/banking-jobs-blockchain-threat/

thanks, much appreciated.. i understand the concept of block chain from a software point of view but hadn't considered the social aspect i'd admit.. seeing as most people hate banks i can't see anyone crying for them

 

[super_pig]

Thats because Tony Blair was a Tory in disguise! Always was, always will be.

I know of that book, I've read it, BTW I am considerably older than my twenties and I am no marxist but it was a fair assumption to make based on what I have said.

I don't mind being belittled if you have a valid point but that had zero substance.

just bantz mate.. i'm giving you some background into my own perspective.. no offence intended.

 

[Sparky The Blade]

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It's amazing the rubbish some people believe.

thanks, much appreciated.. i understand the concept of block chain from a software point of view but hadn't considered the social aspect i'd admit.. seeing as most people hate banks i can't see anyone crying for them

Nobody will cry for them except the poor workers who are streamlined out of their jobs but we do need to understand the bigger picture.

 

[super_pig]

Yeah, I have a decent grasp of it.

There are many projects and products that are currently being developed that will provide all sorts of services. Blockchain could leave the banking industry redundant as it will provide a verification service. You do work for me, I pay you through blockchain (either directly or through a pre-agreed smart contract) and you receive payment without any need for that money to touch a bank, intermediary or middleman. The blockchain and its verification process (likely to be either a Proof of Work of Proof of Stake computer network) will do all the verification work that the banks currently do. Payment should be near instant regardless of where you are in the world (if they can get the technology to scale which is the current issue to be resolved).

If you want to learn about it you are best watching some of these:- HERE

There are many other flavours other than bitcoin,some direct competitors and some providing specific services.

Deutsch Bank think that Blockchain is likely to reduce their workforce anywhere between 60% and 90%.

Once you learn about it you quickly realise the power of this technology and you can see all different types of industries wanting to get on board and how many jobs could be replaced.

How it will replace jobs in banking, read this:- https://cryptobriefing.com/banking-jobs-blockchain-threat/

'if they can get the technology to scale which is the current issue to be resolved'.. well apart from that 'minor' issue we're sorted easy ..

and from the link you posted..
'With the blockchain network able to accurately track the movement of funds, professionals dealing with disputes, failure of transactions and assisting customers with transactions will be made obsolete.
We won’t need fraud and risk analysts, wire specialists, even banks tellers and clerks.'
everything will run perfectly then.. heh. i'll believe all that when i see it although fraud should be considerably reduced at least in the short term i'll give you that

 

[Sparky The Blade]

just bantz mate.. i'm giving you some background into my own perspective.. no offence intended.

That's ok. No offence was taken. Marxism is something I get a lot to try and stifle debate, especially from right-wingers / Neo-Liberals.

 

[super_pig]

It's amazing the rubbish some people believe.


Nobody will cry for them except the poor workers who are streamlined out of their jobs but we do need to understand the bigger picture.

interesting point although i do admire you for feeling sorry for the 'poor workers' who are probably marketeers and capitalists to the core
you can't understand the bigger picture unless you happen to own a fully operational crystal ball. this is the main fault of the 'planned economy' approach.. it might actually 'create' jobs . who knows?